Originally
posted by
sinistril:
I never even suggested anything about your beliefs in a creator. I said religion is for lemmings as a throwback to the 2d lemmings sidescroller game where you play god and control a bunch of idiotic lemmings. ie. all earthly religions are, almost by definition, systems of control. Let's accept the idea that a creator of the universe is necessary (I don't think so, but let's!), that does not mean religions are not stupid especially when you can trace most of them back to people trying to find ways to control other people. If the bible is truly the word of god, then it should be immutable, why does it keep changing? Also, the meaning should be obvious to everyone, not open for subjective interpretation. Did god write it using google translate? Believe in a creator, hell, there are atheists that do (simulation theory), but if you think your religion is any more valid than the religion of people that believe in an illiterate merchant prophet, a flying spaghetti monster, or Zeus, then you are a lemming.
Pastafarians UNITE!!
Originally
posted by
DerrickICN:
Y'all been smoking a lot of reefer this summer...
Usually im very obiously the highest sounding guy on the forums but i cant even compete with y'all stoners on this one.
fluffin kudos.
*sparks one up*
Originally
posted by
DerrickICN:
The angle at which it flipped to an organized religion discussion in 4 messages after that opening message is like actually hard to keep up with.
I'm a naturalistic pantheist (god is everything and nothing etc) but i do sympathize with more pessimistic philosophy like that of Jidda Krishnamurti. Although he's almost too disappointed, i align with those beliefs in conjunction with believing energy and matter are holy. Contrary to sin's point, I've found the unitarian church to be a rather fulfilling alternative. Agnostics have bake sales too. Its largely crusading that is bad, which is objectively what both atheists and theists do..... But damn....
....how that started and where we are now i cant even think to write 12 paragraphs like usual.....
You have nothing to comment on religion that could take up several paragraphs? Did we break Derrick guys? Also, I am not sure if I should take offence at all those stoner comments all over the place. What, like only stoners can come up with bat fluff crazy things to say? I think I am somewhere in-between agnostic and atheist. I admit that there is no way of me knowing one way or the other for sure if there is a god or not. However, I do have "faith" that there is not. I presume the after life is a lot like that before we were born, nothingness. Ever wake up from a dream and not remember it, but still feel like there was a gap of time from when you went to sleep and woke up? Yet, you still cannot seem to recall what you were doing/what dream you might have had?
I also believe, if there is some holy godly figure judging us and guiding us to a "salvation" that this same being should be capable of understanding my lack of faith. After all, if this god made me, shouldn't he have known how I was gonna act?
The other thing that bothers me about religious people is the negative stigma that comes attached to atheism. Which is we don't believe it god, so were bad people, or we don't have morals. Like, how the fluff does that fluff pan out? Just because I don't believe in a mystical being in which we have no proof that makes me a bad person? I still have core morals and do on to others only as I would want done to me, yadda, yadda. I don't need a bible to tell me common sense like that.
I have a pretty close friend too that claims to be pagan and says that he believes in ALL religions lol. Everyone from Christianity all the way to Greek gods and witch craft. I just thought that bit was interesting and wanted to share.
Last thing, Derrick, I didn't know you smoked the ganj. You a pot head Focker?
Originally
posted by
Karnage XZ:
Originally
posted by
DerrickICN:
The angle at which it flipped to an organized religion discussion in 4 messages after that opening message is like actually hard to keep up with.
I'm a naturalistic pantheist (god is everything and nothing etc) but i do sympathize with more pessimistic philosophy like that of Jidda Krishnamurti. Although he's almost too disappointed, i align with those beliefs in conjunction with believing energy and matter are holy. Contrary to sin's point, I've found the unitarian church to be a rather fulfilling alternative. Agnostics have bake sales too. Its largely crusading that is bad, which is objectively what both atheists and theists do..... But damn....
....how that started and where we are now i cant even think to write 12 paragraphs like usual.....
Derrick, when did Jesus encourage anybody to go on a violent crusade? When Judas betrayed him and lead the Romans into Gethsemane one of the disciples Peter drew his sword and cut one of them on the ear and Jesus told him to lay down his sword and let the Romans take him peacefully. You're blaming human tendencies to be violent on God and the son of God.
It isn't what "Jesus" told them to do, it is what they do in his name that is the issue.
"The Crusades were a series of religious wars between Christians and Muslims started primarily to secure control of holy sites considered sacred by both groups. In all, eight major Crusade expeditions occurred between 1096 and 1291." -Google.
Originally
posted by
DerrickICN:
Typical christian to just start hollering with out any understanding lol. That sort of accusatory fervor is arguably one of the more dangerous parts of organized religion. Some people are just more violent than others when they encounter something they don't understand. That and justifying immoral behavior with misinterpretation of metaphor.
In order to blame christian god for something, I'd have to believe in a mono-diety which i don't. I said clearly I'm a pantheist and not a monotheist.
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