https://web.archive.org/...standard/Aug00/cworth.htm

SL was considered a tiny clan (in numbers) back then... oh how times have changed...

MD was pretty impressive :)

Hey, Dragon is a cool guy, only thing I don't like about him is that I used to go by "Dragon" somewhere around 99-00 and I changed it because I felt it was too common, but I kinda miss it anyway ;)

As for the rest, if you can't see how a mob-culture group out to dominate by almost any means necessary (contrary to what you may think, cheating against game rules to win is contemptible to any hard core LaFfer) would clash with a group of self-proclaimed "standing up for the little guy" and "we want fair fights" group. Well... where do you see our common ground with these ideologies? :P

Should be "I couldn't imagine a future scenario in which LaF and SOL could be anything but enemies"

lol... SOL and LaF can never truly be friends. Our attitudes are too different. There are quite a few cool people in SOL, and I have no beef with you guys really. But seriously, our ideals and play styles are just too much polar opposites for us to ever be long term friends. Lets just keep being among eachother's favorite tags to hate? Lots of <3 for SOL :D

Good luck! May the death of your country be quick and painless!

Nice work :)

Assassin:
I guess "running from the problem" is harsh and I'd agree that it's not even factually correct by itself. Drugs used properly can be a great thing, and help you get back to a good life, regardless of what the underlying reason is. For some people depending on their brain chemistry, I'm sure they are even necessary to have a decent life.

I do think however, that if you want to permanently deal with panic attacks you have to learn to do it without drugs. This is hard, hard as hell, and probably harder for some than others, if not impossible, but I also think that the vast majority of people can learn to deal with panic attacks without medication. It's not weird that you would suffer severe attacks if you depend on drugs and leave them at home of course. Regardless of whether it's a psychological trigger because you lack your support of having the meds as a go to, or a chemical imbalance from withdrawal, you're going to have a bad time forgetting meds in this situation.

Trife:
That is not an uncommon perception sadly, troll or no. In my case however, I thought it was embarrassing as hell, and just wanted it to go away. Perversely that helped me because I eventually felt it was less embarrassing acknowledging and getting help for my underlying issues (as a young straight male I don't think this is very encouraged in any culture today) and in that process I learned to deal with the panic itself.

Would be fun this! Too bad I'm 9 timezones away or something. Will probably be sleeping :/

I know how horrible panic attacks are. I had quite a few when I was younger, and I didn't know what it was at the time, which made it really scary. I thought I was dying... You can learn to cope with them however. It's not easy, but one piece of advice h3x offers I do wholeheartedly agree with is "learn how to simply say "fluff it" when fluff hits the fan.". It's the only way AFAIK. Just embrace the horror, and flow with it. If you are going to die, better to die relaxed anyway. Maybe it's fatalistic to think that way, but it helped me. Nowadays I don't really panic ever, so you can get over of it :) Still sometimes when I am really stressed out and tired I can feel my body start to "spin up" like it wants to do a panic attack, but I can recognize it and relax and calm down. If you let yourself experience this a few times you too will learn to control it. It really is about "letting" yourself go, not trying to control it by force.

Don't go for drugs though, you're just running from the problem then, and running will make it worse! Good luck!

http://en.wikipedia.org/...kler_%26_Koch_G3#Variants (7.62mm)

AK4

Most manly Swedish assault rifle when I did military service. Not like the plasticy 5.56mm AK5 for kids ;)

lol, that is some epic trolling!

Yeah, it's definitely win-win if men and women get drunk together :D

Beer does make you look fabulous though. At least if she drinks a lot of it...

I approve of that youtube video. Much better for a war declaration!

You have a hard on for Candy Scode?

I find it funny that so many people seem to let him get under their skin, both in LaF and outside.

I hope you have been having fun Candy... Hahaha

I am eugene!

If you want to play the petting game I'm all for it ;)

Confirmed! PG is cool :) (Also a badass who kills stuff with her bare hands, never forget!)

My best friend (Swede like me) married a really cool Danish girl, and her friends are cool too.

Plus, whenever I go to Copenhagen and take the metro I see tons of hot girls. This makes me conclude that there is something awesome in the state of Denmark.

Wut? I don't get this? Do you mean you should or should not have gone bananas as you did? ;)

Personally I wish you'd just killed Candy's country. I'd have sent you max FA as reps for the rest of the reset just because it would have been such a great and measured response instead of more stupidity...

If Neo didnt go bananas on LaF they'd be perfectly reasonable in demanding Candy being kicked out of LaF, and reps being paid (we could easily have paid, I have a mediocre trader and still had 700m bushels. That is 2-300m bushels from me alone realistically this set)

Neo chose to believe we would not honour our pact. I think they are as big babies as Candy in this instance, but that's the extent of how much I care. This game doesn't cease to amaze me in terms of how much combined stupid we can create :P

Argh... this is unfortunate... Looks like war is unavoidable now tho :/

I like to be on top. It feels good and satisfying in so many ways...

Well, I got an add for lady boy singles in earth recently. Now I do admit that I have been looking into online dating, but the sites I have visited have been a lot more mundane (and they had normal ladies without "extras" :P).

Because that rule is for a single player server. This is not one. There is no reason for anyone to come here and play farmland; it will only put people off the game, and make people continue the DR farming which is the game's silly version of grinding.

I just think that special attacks in alliance server should be limited to tags that are at war (yes this means there needs to be a "declare war" for tag admins). There is no other reason for them here except griefing.

LOL! This is a hilarious idea! Let's try to calculate the most efficient ways to ruins people's rounds and how to limit various forms of netgaining! We'd be awesomely well equipped to know where to hit netters where it really hurts since we do all the "shortcuts" in terms of leaving holes in our defences to netgain more efficiently.

Only problem is that once we show the rest of earth how to suicide efficiently we'd be the targets forever and ever and now they would know how to really hurt us. So I don't see this happening ever ;)

BONUS!

I think just like primary alliance should have a restriction against special attacks, preferably linked to tag warfare instead of GDI.

Untagged countries have no real reason to exist here. Just make a recruitment thread/forum for people who want to join or setup an alliance with at least 5 member on this server.

(and yes, I realize that means less bottomfeeding for the few who still does that. Bohoo so sad... NOT ;))

If you're screwed by your wife Vic I'd say that's great. ;)

Why would this be a mistake? IMO it would fix a lot of problems. Grinding a country down and feeding on its land once it is incapable of defending itself would be glorious! The only "kill" available in the game should be the landkill, and any restart should start from scratch!

Self deletion should also be banned. The only way to remove land from the game should be with nuclear missiles. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Also, this way both warmongers and netgainers would have something to gain from warring!

THE CAKE IS A LIE! :(

It's not fair to count that way. Let's take this basic example:

A hits B for 100+40 acres. (e.g. a Dict)
B hits back for 120+20 acres. (e.g. a Tyr)
This means B has gained 140-100 = 40 acres, while A has gained 140-120 = 20 acres. Ergo A got screwed in the exchange.

A fair trade here would be 100+40 vs 110+20 which gives 130-100 = 30 and 140-110 = 3 which is a fair exchange, but the total acerage including ghosts is NOT the same. (Numbers are not exactly correlated to the attack gains in the game, but the principle is exactly the same)

IMO since Dict is the most inferior netgaining government, dicts should *not* be expected to have to deal with totally fair trades in terms of gained acerage with other governments though, but should instead get to keep a bit more land through the ghost acres bonus they have.

Apparently both LaF countries dropped their tag voluntarily. It's just messed up :(

No inter-alliance drama involved, sorry Vic!

I think that the alliance server should be about alliances, with little consideration for those who are not in one. And special attacks or no, we both know that whatever a noob does in retaliation, he still gets farmed into the ground every day. I think we should steer beginners towards other servers, or encourage more tags to do what we in LaF do; when we get angry messages that are not just bile and hate we try to recruit the "farmland" player.


I disagree with the first part. I always thought TNW was the only really important metric in this game. Just like individual success can be boiled down to one value, so can alliance success. I don't mind that we have an average networth score and a member score, both say something about an alliance, but to me they are mostly irrelevant in determining the total power of a tag. For a historic example, SL and Rage were very strong in ANW and Members respectively for a long time, but neither were a great force in the server. (yes Ragers, I know you were quite strong at some point, but you were never ranked as the #1 alliance by any unbiased observer, while you were certainly #1 in the Members stat) I just think TNW is the only single value that correlates well with the total "real" power of an alliance. In netgaining or in/after war.

I do think it would be sweet with all the other stuff like in game pacts, suicider protection, etc. My suggestion was tailored specifically to make this change easy to implement, as I don't think this game generates enough money for qz to make a living of it, and his time is thus limited :(

Since this is an alliance server I think we should limit wars to be formal affairs between alliances. This wouldn't be hard to implement. Just let the tag admin have a "declare war" for alliances. When declaring war, special attacks are opened between the two alliances in question and those two ONLY. To declare peace, both alliances must choose peace. When declaring peace, a victor is determined by total net worth remaining between the two alliances and that stat should be saved along the regular nw tables. Easy to implement, and very much in synch with how the game works now! (Nw = score)

A potential bonus option:
Only let tag admins for 5+ man tags declare war. Bam! 90% of random suiciders are dealt with!

Yeah, I agree with that Vic. Trading and keeping defensive allies should be a no-no.

I've seen at least one non-pdm-er do the same this round. Just makes us all having to have more jets and waste more units. If you need a break from getting hit to build or whatnot, I think it's a lot cleaner to just buy up defense for a while. Personally I'd never hit someone who currently has significantly more turrets than jets. Just saying...

If a suicider wants to hit you, they can allies or no, unless you have so many units that trading is not viable anyway.

I think you need to learn to play the alliance game instead of whining because other people are better at getting land.

I agree that if you can't defend your land you shouldn't keep it. But that goes BOTH ways. If you hit me and I can take back my land courtesy of my strong production and strong alliance backing me up, why shouldn't I?

Since quite a few players in LaF are new to trading I gave a shot at summing up what I think is good trading etiquette. I'm curious what players from other tags think is good etiquette and whether I missed something that tends to piss others off.

If you hate landtrading and would like to troll here, go ahead by all means, this is AT after all, just don't expect any response from me ;)

My "good etiquette" rules
-Only initiate on countries that have no outstanding retals:
E.g. You want to hit country A, but A just hit B. Let B take his land back from A before hitting A. (If B just hit A and A has a retal on B pending, feel free to hit A anyway. I know I'd like it if I was A...)

-Make sure that your target is the right size:
If you can take 5000 acres of your target, and he can only take back 4000 in his retal, you have hit someone too big for you. This is especially important to remember as a tyranny! Normally you would initiate trading with someone who has about 120-125% of your land so that you have the same land after the hit. As a tyrant, you should hit someone significantly closer to your size, so that his retal can take as much land as you took from him. Remember ghosts never count. If you choose to be a tyranny trader, don't expect a dict to make up for that by letting you leech of his ghosts. Make sure the "real" gains/losses equalize well.

-If someone has a large amount of unbuilt acres. Do not hit, wait for them to get built first! You will get more ghost acres, and they won't get shafted by falling farther and farther behind in income vs build costs.

Edit, add:
-Always build your new acres immediately after an initiating hit so that your target may retal at once with full gains.

-Always retal as soon as possible. Don't wait until the end of the retal windows. More efficient for both of you, so you can resume trading faster.

Were you with the crowd that had a division in LaF for a reset or two? I remember your nick, but that could've been from AT at the time too...

(Jag är också svensk, men alltid LaFfare. Lycka till med att få PG att lämna Rival, haha)

I don't see the problem with internal trading. What makes it more OK to trade with countries outside one's tag? I think it is fun to interact a bit more with other alliance's players, but it doesn't really make sense that what is essentially a team effort is restricted from your most natural team (I.e. your own tagmembers)!!

3 handle? Wth is a 3 handle?

Also, implementing nerfs should only be done for things that are obviously unbalanced COMPARED TO WHAT YOU KNEW WHEN THE RESET STARTED. We all knew this would be an awesome reset for landtrading going into it. If you are unskilled enough to expect to netgain and win without landtrading in such a set, either accept the consequences and lose the NW race or attack the landtraders. Don't cry for a nerf like a sore loser before you even lost!

*declares war on server*

EASY PEASY!

Go Rival!

Have fun both sides :)

Rule of thumb: If she isn't attracted to you everything you do is creepy, if she is, very little is... Just try and you'll find out quickly enough ;)

Yup, down for me too

The evolution of sex!

The evolution of sex!

#652 who used to be #285 until very recently.

I've been naughty this year. It felt good... ;)