A Few years ago the West was alot tougher... Hell, Vancouver used to have likely the toughest division in the league for quite some time, where 4 of the 5 teams would make the playoffs and the other would be a contender right down to the last game.

The past few years there's been a big shift in that division and the conference as a whole.

The East has become alot tighter.

The West does have a few very strong teams, but too look at Vancouver's strength.

If you had a gun to your head and had to pick a team to pick Boston in a 7 game series, and if they lost, you lost :)
and you had a choice between Detroit, San Jose, and Vancouver. I don't think many people would chose the Canucks.

Chicago was a squeeker series (best series I've watched in ages).

Nashville is a decent team but still not someone anyone would list as a real contender (what were the vegas odds on them winning the whole thing this year?)

I'd say Vancouver is one of the top 6 teams in the league. But my point is the way the stats book looks, they;ll look like they dominated the whole league all year long which isn't quite the case.

One thing if Vancouver pulls off the series...

People looking back in the books will see Canucks winning the Presidents Trophy and the Cup and think they were a dominating team.

I'd venture to say they're extremely weak compared to those accalaids... Just about above average team that got to play 35 games or so vs Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnisota had a huge boosting in thier wins column.

Also the road for the cup was rather light for them.. and the 2 best teams in the Eastern Conference both got knocked out leaving Tampa or Boston to face, and finally Boston.

Really the scenerios this year couldn't have been better for them.

Saskatoon and Winnipeg are always near the top or on the top of those lists...

But in their defence, what else is there to do there anyways, plus I'm sure knowing you're from Saskatoon Saskatchewan and that it sounds like some sort of sickness rather than a place to live... it might drive one to that.

If the bruins win, will Boston finally stop trying to replace Thomas? Heh they seem to hate the guy, he plays awesome then they bring in a replacement or move someone up.. The person plays like crap while Thomas plays as an awesome backup till they let him start again... Then they repeat the process all over the next year.

It sounds like it's going to be Toilet:1 Nuker:0 ... hopefully Martians offensive can pick up the slack :)

too much diplomacy on this thread! fight! fight! fight! :)

Any luck tracking down Samoan, Dio, Mags, or Haderach?

Martian declared eternal war on the toilet. Just yesterday he had his way with it and tomorrow it's going to be even worse.

back then we did ingame searches for grab targets. You'ed enter in a different number or letter combination and grab away.

I entered "mr" as my letter combo and found a ton of really fat countries that I farmed for my daily grabs. Luckily Teal took it easy on me heh.

The next week, same grabbing got me in trouble with HAN countries.

Needless to say, you folk and your ingame Tags and Gamerstown/Boxcar searches have it real easy :P

we really need to find some new suckers to play this game so you 2 don't have to keep running things for another decade :P heh

Ivan told us to drink the Blue Kool-Aid with him... that beepstard said he'd drink it after us but now we're just all dead and he's still around :P

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Just under 260 total. At the time they were the second largest alliance, I believe it was behind Arrow.

Mr Lime is actually Mehul himself :)

heh.. the rest of earth better be on vacation mode during year end then or we're all going down ;)

I'm sure it will turn out well man. Though, it may give way to a new earth strat... War at month end! take that accountants! :)

haha sucker :P told ya they'ed drag you back in.

Our definition is 125% (which would be the point where 2 hits have to be made to get land back)

The 5x grabs are what put everything completely over the top for us.

Members like Drow stated that he was able to grow large and have lots of grabbing targets with them gaining land and him gaining land with those single hits.

so that's our offer. We'll agree to have a seperate policy with PDM that promotes grabbing, if you allow us to keep our policy on what us/SoF/LaF/every other alliance in the game has as a definition of tepfeeding.

ummm... you quoted my answer to that.

you have a policy that helps you (C:C landtrading) we have a policy that helps us (not landtrading L:L or alliance wide retals on all grabs). We're not NAP'ed and you guys don't want to... so only answer so that we don't have problems is to find a middle ground.

What I offered allowed you guys to..
1. Not NAP us (what you wanted)
2. Grab and landtrade with us (what you wanted)
3. Country to country retals (what you wanted)
4. Not topfeed us to an extent that it hurts our countries (only part that you don't want.. but it's the only way the rest of the policy will fly with us)

I'm being extremely reasonable and making a sound offer. I'm not trying to take liberties with PDM. You already know that you don't have to worry about us making big grabs on you as we haven't in the past two resets. Meanwhile you have guys like Snawdog that will hit countries with 5-8x their acres.

No amount of defence short of jumping to a point where you can't stock can preven that sort of behavior. So instead we will.


As I wrote above. Would you prefer that instead of L:L on topfeeds that LaF and RD instead perform 1:Kill on all topfeeds?
I could arrange that.

You already know niether of our alliances will be hitting your larger countries.

That's exactly my point flameo. Thier policy benefits them, ours benefits us. So need to find a common ground or same sort of thing ends up happening.

They however tell us it's good for one and all :)

Detmer, my level of comprehension is fine. It's the fact that you guys seem to think that your policy benefits all others and are unwilling to listen to anyone else but yourselves.

My Offer to PDM was as follows.

1. You don't have to NAP RD (which is what you guys wanteed)
2. Country:Country Retalling only (which is what you wanted)
3. Topfeeding is retalled land:land alliance wide (not what you wanted)

As you can see we basically said (alright, PDM can have their policy since they like it... but we have to make a small clause so that we don't get taken advantage of)

You state land trading is beneficial (this allows that). The only thing this doesn't allow is members from trying to take advantage of the other alliance.

Your arguements about us preventing grabbing (based on my offer) is false.


If you prefer... Maybe LaF and RD could make a policy for PDM that is as follows

Regular Grabbing C:C
Topfeeding 1:Kill

If you prefer. The reason you don't like it is nobody topfeeds PDM, but pdm Topfeeds us. Your policy isn't created to make one and all have a fair time while playing... The policy is created to help PDM players play how they want.

The only problem is you are trying to convince people that undertand the game dynamics that it's going to help them, when they know it doesnt.

Living in 2004? So far it seems more like you're in 2004. Camelot or PDM telling bigger alliances what to do then getting killed for it.


Basically it's simple. 40member alliance being told to do something that hinders them by a 30 member alliance. You're trying to tell us what's good for us. Maybe if your alliance did well and had ever had higher than a 36mil avg. networth you could prove your point better.

But so far it's a fail.

As stated above your policy is adventagous for pdm players or other land thing grab alot not caring about rank players.

To those trying to achieve any sort of rank they are a detriment. Thus to our players it is not "100% fair"... And do you really expect us to just accept PDM trying to enforce something that benefits them and hurts us?

From what I understand.

You retalled him once, then sent the message "I'm done" ... then you hit him again with the missle and another retal and said "Oops I changed my mind"

I guess we changed our minds on letting the missle retal go :P

that's fine :)

I offered a pretty fair compromise on the relation with RD to both TAN and Detmer. Not even asking for an NAP, just limits and offered to keep 90% of PDM's policy and still got a no. A compromise where in all honesty, we were compromising the most.

If you say that they were gaining the land back in one hit, then you weren't grabbing countries that much bigger than you. You were just exchanging land and gaining GA. A number of other members in your alliance are extremely land thin and will hit countries with 3-8x their acres which doesn't do what you say with "I think my point stands"

Basically being unwilling to negotiate with us is your own failing, not ours.

That's just Loopy :P

Aponic: That's PDM's answer for us.

If LaF doesn't win the AVNetworth crown they can be compared to a Patrick Stefan breakaway :P
http://www.youtube.com/...ch?v=k1Z9UspUHqg&NR=1

but what if I'm more offended if you grabbed me on day 10 and 25 than 24/25? :P

Our point was .. " Compromise and meet us half way and figure out a retal policy that works between RD/PDM" or "NAP us"

if that hasn't registered then have we made our point?

Our door's been wide open to talk with them about it since day #1

The policy PDM created is an advantage to PDM members and a disadvantage to other alliances.

a typical PDM country is quite land thin and moderat networth, also PDM is notorious because of this for doing topfeeds. PDM countries quite often also continue to grab through the stocking phase till nearly the end of the game.


Now while I understand that each alliance wants to have a policy that helps thier members, hell that's the goal of an alliance to start with.

We just do not accept a policy that hurts our members, especially if we're told to accept it by an alliance the same size or smaller than us.

which is why we offered to make some compromises between policies between us and PDM (told no) and we offered a NAP so policy wouldnt matter (told no) .

Drow: here's an example for you.

RD country (bob) has 35,000 acres

he is in stocking phase so has very little military at the moment.

he is topfed by
PDM Country (snawdog :P) who has 12,000 acres.

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according to RD policy. We will hit back as a topfeed action to take land:land. It will likely take 3-5 hits or so to get the land back. We would hit from any country in the RD tag that has military as it would hurt "Bob's" countries caches at doing well this reset if he has to buy up military to do 3-5 PS's

so instead we have country C do the hits on PDM.

PDM's policy doesn't allow this.

PDM would say that Bob has to go buy military and do all the retals himself or they will only accept 1:1 from anyone else.



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There's the problem :) THat doesnt work for us and we're not changing our policy for a smaller alliance.



it would be the same if I made our policy 3 nukes per grab, then told SoF they had to accept it.

Obviously it's not going to fly and quite obviously we would be hit for it.

thanks Martian, a good read :)

heh it caught me up on some of earth happenings since I was in the dark on alot of it..

hell, when I went inactive/quit the first time IX/SoF were FDP's lol.

Martians never innocent ;)

The reasoning wasn't to "teach them a lesson". We stated that due to the discrepencies between our retal policies, their policy didn't work for us.

Since they want to keep thier retal policy and can't compromise on it we have two options.
1. War
2. have a NAP so that the retal policy won't affect us.

We keep offering #2 but they've turned us down time and time again for 2 resets so we keep hitting.

The ball's all in thier court. Whenever we get back a yes we stop.

imag does :P






i hate posting for bonus points, :P

contacted

RoCk was a few alliances that merged together. BlackMamba might be a good one to ask, I think he was a div leader there way back when and might have the closest memory of things..

unless you dig B.S, R.T, R.S, or Gylph out of the abyss

soccer and basketball but trying to sign up for rec-league dodgeball.. it will be epic :)

As stated earlier... Have someone from over there contact one of the Colors here.

Basically all we want is that NAP we kept asking for, once we get it then we ceasefire and it's all over.

doh! was wondering what happend.