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Mr.Silver

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Mar 2nd 2011, 7:40:49

crap! I wanted to surrender first! Granted we are disgusting cheaters, but I think the only reason you deserve to rot ain hell and die a criminals' death is for being from Ontario :P

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Mar 2nd 2011, 7:23:29

Drow: not stopping LGing all together, but I am trying to protect our countries while netgaining.

As such once again we had 3 options with PDM.

1. Sign a NAP ( we asked, you turned us down)
2. GS our own countries into DR so that when we get topfed we don't lose much ( we did that last reset but it was a large use of turns)
3. War (might as well GS the cause of it)

We tried to NAP, PDM said no
We tried to compromise and say C:C unless something by our definition of a topfeed happens, then L:L alliance wide- PDM said no
We took care of it ourselves last reset and GS'ed ourselves
We asked PDM for a NAP again, PDM said no
So we hit :)

While I respect your right to enforce your own retal policy, this is us enforcing ours. We made every effort to find a ground on it, but in the end it was you who said No and told us it's your way or the highway (Paraphrasing Tan who said PDM would war rather than compromise on it's retal policy)

What other option would you say there is for us? if we don't accept your policy?

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Mar 1st 2011, 6:00:42

I guess I'm more of a tone than a color :P Don't worry hanlong, we're saving Mr Turd Brown for you.

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Mar 1st 2011, 5:47:16

not sure ;) I did use to know you back in the day.

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Mar 1st 2011, 5:36:56

I thought we were going to FS NewMonsters... this caught me by complete suprise :P

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Mar 1st 2011, 5:29:53

Country:Country retals or only 1:1 is allowed doesn't work for us. Also the whole "We Don't Believe in Topfeeds" doesn't work either.

We offered to pact so that your retal policy wouldn't be an issue, but you turned us down.

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Feb 28th 2011, 11:42:37

SoF 0
SoL -5
LCN 5
LaF 4
Evo 4
Omega 5
RD- 1
Sanct 6
ICN 2
PDM -12
Monsters -1
WoF 0
NA 0
Imag -2

Mr.Silver

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Feb 25th 2011, 7:34:16

-36c here this morning with windchill.... bring on global warming :) I want palm trees!!!

Mr.Silver

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Feb 24th 2011, 8:56:49

some fluffs are bigger than others :P

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Feb 24th 2011, 7:54:41

*hangs head even lower in shame than Alana* Atleast you're not from Calgary. Ugh, Why did I have to move to this hick town :P

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Feb 23rd 2011, 12:53:40

for it.


It will make it easier on new players and help retention of players, adds a new element to the game as well.

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Feb 23rd 2011, 12:32:32

SoF 0
SoL -4
LCN 3
LaF 0
Evo 3
Omega 3
RD- 0
Sanct 5
ICN 2
Ivan -1
PDM -7
Monsters 0
WoF 1
NA 1
Imag -2
Ivan -1

Mr.Silver

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Feb 22nd 2011, 12:48:50

SoF 3
SoL -2
LCN 2
LaF 0
Evo -1
Omega 2
RD- 1
Sanct 1
ICN 2
PDM -4
Monsters 0
WoF 1
NA 1
Imag -2

Mr.Silver

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Feb 22nd 2011, 7:04:52

You guys are just cutting off your noses in these suicide runs. It won't be long till no alliance will want to have you in them since they have to make reperations for all the crap you guys keep doing.

Mr.Silver

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Feb 21st 2011, 13:57:03

Mr Silver is a fluff! figured I'd join in the fun.

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Feb 7th 2011, 9:59:25

SG.... RoCK.... SL....Monks...OOA

Guessing anything from 10yrs or so ago counts as 'oldschool'. Use to be '98 and earlier, but being that was 13 years ago now heh, I guess my view point needs to change.

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Feb 1st 2011, 16:27:44

Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by SolidSnake:



For me its quite simple though, the type of netgaining going on now, is worthless, it doesnt prove anything what so ever



can't really argue with that. By mr silvers logic the larger clans should just buyout to #1 every set to ruin the game for all the smaller netting clans. What competition is left if we all do market buyouts and fa and inter farming?



That's what Elitez did for 3 years :)

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Feb 1st 2011, 15:59:11

SS: Correct, there aren't Mass aiding co-ordinated efforts.

Very few alliances doses efforts but having an ally FA you 400m bushels or quit and give some land, have a member run untagged to grab.. That's all still "help"

If I added up all te laf and sof finishes I knew of that got help just on a rough low ball estimate I'm already over 60 countries ... Which is far lower than the actual amount as there would of been many I didn't know of on top of that I was gone for 5 years.

I just am tired of seeing posts from groups that do the exact same thing but are "sneakier" about it.

A number of people posting this in this thread about the evil's of land trading (as one for instance) are in alliances where a number of members participated in landtrading in a differenet way. Organizing with someone in another alliance to do a hit back and forth, even a few times through the set. I've even talked to a few of them.


to that other statement on if ANW is a true mark of an alliance... once again not really. members that are lower than a level usually get dropped or self delete. Other alliances have some excellent netgainers and a number of other members that like to run kill countries, thus messing over the numbers...

if I had to make my picks for alliances though... it would be as follows.


Best netgaining alliance/most skilled netgainers: LaF

Best fighting alliance: SoF

Best Bang for Buck (makes the most out of their membership): Omega

Best Overall alliance: SoF

but going back to my earlier bit.... these threads seem to be alot of alliances or people that have their left hand on a cookie from the jar and their right hand pointing a finger at someone else grabbing the chocolate chip one right next to the cookie they got.

Edited By: Mr.Silver on Feb 1st 2011, 16:30:19
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Feb 1st 2011, 7:18:30

Based on Highrock's comments and other comments earlier figured I'd add my two cents.

Back in my old earth days I too was quite into the "legitness" of finishes, getting aided over, bought-out over, or hit with multies time and time again. Kept thinking about "oh this isn't fair".

I'd argue against those that said "This is an alliance game, not an individual game, there for individual effort isn't as key as the group as a whole, what ever they chose to do to accomplish it"

Maybe it's that now I'm older, or maybe it's that I'm lazier and just don't care as much... But really they were right. Even more so now that we have active admin's so the primary game can actually be a place for solo's.

The alliance game is a team enviroment, it's meaning is to be as such. Help countries receive can come in many ways...
1. Pacts- Other than one or two members in the alliance, you're not being grabbed, or able to grab other people because of arrangements that someone else made. You didn't cause the other alliances to not be able to hit you, someone else did, that's aid.

2. DRing- since it was brought up earlier that GSing countries is by all means "non-legit" that works much the same way as Pacting. It prevents a country from being the target of another alliance due to the work of a few other members.

3. Buyouts- A few members sacrifice the networth they could have had to raise the networth of one or two. They do this to get not that person to a rank but to get the TAG next to the person to a rank. They want that TAG to get to whatever position it can get to due to the buyout.

4. FAing- much the same as buyouts except at a smaller scale. it has to do with increasing the tag in a way that would benefit the TAG by making it look better. Maybe a rank 10 instead of a rank 11, or 20. whatever the case it's not really for that individual.

5. Retallers- Even having a retal country in your tag, an early communist, or midset techer is a form of assistance. People are less likely to grab you because of them. You're receiving help from someone that goes once again beyond the bounds of your own country.


Basically, moral of the story is... Being in an alliance game we try to put away what our individual wants and focus on what the clan we play for wants or needs. What helps them the most.

During war times it's easy to figure out what that means, during peaceful times it's figuring out other things will fit in as well.

Could a member of SoF call an Omegan "non-legit" because they had more pacts than SoF this reset?

Could a Rage call PDM non legit, because they always had countries capable of retalling?

People get upset no matter what. Sofar this reset people have complained that Untags get hit too much then the same people complained about Lime and Emerald hitting eachother instead of the untags which is 100% the opposite of hitting the untags.

I quite honestly don't care who's legit and who's not. Right now I've received the help I need to hopefully get the placement that those in my alliance want. Oats has also got the help needed to get the place his alliance hope that he gets. Now it's up to us to try to get that spot, whichever one doesn't will feel like they let down their team on what their job was for the reset.

That's what it boils down to. Not what we want but what our team wants.

even just from the point of views of the alliances complaining.

Omega- Guys what? the first buy-out was done by them... was a pretty cool thing and worked out really well. They didn't think they'd get many high countries and wanted to show the game that they could play a role near the top and they did just that... and it worked :) Omega looked before this that they might be in membership trouble but it helped keep them strength to pull through, and... they're still around.

SoF- That first buyout country was run by the fuy who was president and founder of SoF. I don't think any part of him regrets that move, it was pretty fun and kinda cool that it happend back then. He always had very strong views on the game which are what helped mold SoF into the alliance they were and are still... It's helped them receive some ranks that reminded the community that they're not just War countries, that they can get ranks. This has helped them recruit.

LaF- A peaceful alliance almost every reset... they thrive on the placement of countries, it's common practice to help the few people who stand a legitimate chance of winning the reset to get higher positions. it's been that way for 13years. There's nothing wrong with that. By having the higher country positions they were always able to bring in new members and also became a place where people liked to retire to grow in peace and live up to the legacy the ranks gave. it helped thier alliance.

I haven't been around for so long that alot of the newer alliances I don't know much about... but I'd venture to say best on comments and insults that they have similar things in their histories.

Just remember you're clicking ALLIANCE when you enter this game. If you want a 100% solo experience, there's a different button to press.

Mr.Silver

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Jan 28th 2011, 23:38:16

Join RD :)

If Ghost, Tirol, Mist, Diety, Inferno, or Nazar were still here.. they'd tell you the same :)

Mr.Silver

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Jan 27th 2011, 17:19:04

You could always comeback and join RD.

heh, might as well turn this whole game upside down :)

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Jan 19th 2011, 14:09:59

To go along with insite posted stuff.. We had a number of colors message the member to just let the who ror thing go and be done with it.

After the attacks continued he was warned to stay away from pdm both insite and in country search. It was at that time that he quit it look like

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Jan 15th 2011, 21:33:54

I'd venture to say the cutoff will be about 175mil. I'm suspecting 8 of the top ten countries will all be techers. SoF should have a pretty decent showing up there, LaF will have a few too and an Evo or 2 has a chance.

Thomas, that might be so. Though, your 'anger issues' with us are more likely to be behind your statement. Just so you know you weren't the first RD'er that RD killed in Team. You were playing for tag protection and gave us 2 suiciders and didn't help in the kill runs on either while you kept netgaining. So your country was killed as well.

We harbour nothing else against you on that, it just was that you weren't a fit for our team server tag. You seem to be having some fun anyways organizing your little RD take down over there anyways.

Locket, atleast Thomas has a reason to be angry at us.

Edited By: Slagpit on Jan 16th 2011, 0:18:47
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Mr.Silver

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Jan 8th 2011, 3:54:26

still :P go post it in that policies thread that's stickied.. then this will always be around.



and ford, you going down on me doesnt make me gay :P

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Jan 7th 2011, 11:46:29

repost this 4 threads up :P

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Dec 24th 2010, 19:42:18

Locket: Being that your whining seems to be leading the way and come from LaF I find funny.

Now, I have absoultely nothing against LaF, many of my good friends in this game come from there... but I don't think a member of LaF can really critique other alliances farmings or grabbings.

ACCI farmed Valmont almost every other reset, He's claimed a number of LaF's top countries in the past.

Only a couple resets ago Rockman and two others played untagged farm for LaF countries while hitting NAP's Unaps and allies... letting LaF members farm him right after he hit (since they knew when diminishing returns would end). Which is why people suspected the untags were you guys

Now whatever people want to do is fine... but don't point at someone elses laundry when you have long skidmarks on yours

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Dec 20th 2010, 5:34:08

Was interesting how HAN always conveniently forgot english if FA went south or difficult. Trolley and Niceti were better at english than most of us north americans.

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Dec 18th 2010, 14:45:13

RD's Policy is much the same as SoF's. [What can I say, they have good ideas :) ]

Our Policy for ALL Non-Pacted Countries is as follows.

Non-Topfeeds
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48 Hour Policy
-1:1 on all Non-Topfeeds

-Multiple hits from the same country on any RD within 24 hours are treated as escalating 1:1,2:1, etc... (escalating)

-DH's will be retaliated 1:1, but also escalating on a 24 hour basis. So if you try to grab RD more than once in that time span it will again be 1:1, 2:1, etc...

-Missle attacks will be retaliated 2:1 or land:land, whichever is greater.


Topfeed Hits
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72 Hour Policy
(Topfeeds are defined as any hit in which the defender has either 125% of the land or 125% of the networth of the attacking country

Topfeeds will be retaliated Land:Land for single hits.

Multiple hits within 24hours will be retaliated in an escalating fashion of Land:Land. So, 1st hit is Land:Land, second hit is Land:Land x 2... and so on.


All Hits
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Four or more hits on RD by a country within a week are grounds for a kill.

Mr.Silver

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Dec 16th 2010, 3:08:50

Half of us are from Socialist countries where it's mostly already covered.

However, We do give $1000 per year for each of the following...
Chiropractic
Troop Waxings
Arthotics
Cosmetic Lasering
Massages
Tank Buffings

We also will cover spouses, children, and as in Lime's case... Gay Life Partners.

Mr.Silver

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Dec 15th 2010, 15:17:35

We even make the government employee pension look poor in comparison. New members receive their benefit plan after their three month probation. Extre benefits include full dental, 5 weeks of vacation, 10 personal days, and 10 sick days.

Mr.Silver

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Dec 15th 2010, 7:30:21

Funny how there were 5 countries from other alliances that did the exact same thing today but you singled me out :)

This is an alliance game. Who cares if SoF or EVO do a buyout or we grab some extra land. I prefered getting some land and doing it on my own over that, but to each their own. They're both ways of helping.

You're just trolling.

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Dec 1st 2010, 6:22:13

1.I wish you were still an FR somewhere. If ever you are again I may use that " well it's not an FDP or something, it's only an Unbreakable NAP" :) may quote you on that sometime.

2. Land with 5 days left, unless a reseller doesn't matter. Instead you stole 4000 buildings from a Unap. I couldn't really care less about my country this reset, heh I was away on vacation for a bunch of it and had no intentions of a 'top finish'.
3. Leaders and post leaders are held to a stricter standard. You hit a pacted country. Being that you broke your alliances rules to do that and sent a "fluff" msg, why would we suspect that you wouldn't continue to break your alliance rules since the only reason you did was you were leaving them in a few days. Easiest solution was to just kill your country. Keep it simple

4. Why would I be paranoid of you? I never even had a clue who you were until we were killing you the first time in team two months ago. And durring that time I haven't seen you do much other than get killed.

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Dec 1st 2010, 2:13:09

Ford,

You were killed for being an idiot. Not for doing one grab. Plus we couldn't count on you not doing something really stupid, so you had to lose your second country in one week from us.

Next time when you decide to break pacts, maybe choose to leave your alliance first. You were planning on leaving NA anyways, why try to make them 'look bad' by topfeeding pacted alliances in your last few days there. You can't be mad at Vic, Bug, or anyone else. You did something dumb and got killed for it (again)

Also, considering how much you whined earlier about cross-server retals.. your hit was quite funny :)

So you've been killed by us now 2x in a week and 3x in the last month. Maybe you should re-think your strategy :)

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Nov 28th 2010, 20:12:08

that works ;) gives us free spy opps for when you get killed again next reset.

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Nov 23rd 2010, 20:42:38

matters now closed heh... unless you want to keep it going heh

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Nov 23rd 2010, 20:38:31

You hadn't liked cross server retals, so We did a cross reset one :)

remember, you hadn't deleted your country :)

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Nov 23rd 2010, 7:34:01

should stay ;) you have more time now that you're not playing team this reset.

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Nov 7th 2010, 9:15:16

congrats :) boo for being hippy tree-lovers, but congrats non the less :)

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Nov 7th 2010, 9:14:23

Since you already have a 'you got this because of that' type thread...

#53 was killed becuase #138 was an idiot.It seems like that particular idiot will only learn if he causes his friends problems instead of himself, since he makes crappy countries that have to get killed then killed again. You have to accept responsibility of those in your team.

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Nov 7th 2010, 9:07:57

If archaic asked for permission to rejoin the server and promised to act properly he won't go through that again.

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Nov 6th 2010, 3:33:20

do you kiss your mom with that mouth? Better go grab some scope, she's gonna come to tuck you in, in any minute ;)

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Nov 6th 2010, 3:28:52

heh no, You just showed you did it in an effort to anger us and are upset that it backfired.

Take a look at every other team in the game. There have been some grabs back and forth, not many... and nothing happend.

But, you try to get away with fluff and fluff will happen back.

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Nov 6th 2010, 3:23:51

You're right, my bad. Bean's retal must have been mehuled. Pang must have accidentaly forgot a decimal place and ment to give him 3000 acres not 300 :)

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Nov 6th 2010, 3:14:34

I didn't order it but... but just from a quick view of the history...

2010-10-29 16:36:07 SS R ainbows n D aisys (#46) xRDx AgainAgain (#2) 1MB 343A (547A)
2010-10-29 00:43:19 PS AgainAgain (#2) 1MB R ainbows n D aisys (#46) xRDx 2770A (4086A)

I'd venture to say that you were declaring war on RD by doing an obvious topfeed 2770 -343 is an increadibly vaste difference, meaning it wasn't done for netgaining or normal purposes, it was instead done as an attempt to piss us off.

well. Guess that backfired.

Mr.Silver

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Nov 6th 2010, 3:07:12

in general no it doesn't help much for a team game.

it did in our cicumstance as the extra land helped my PM fill up faster. And there would be alot less complaining then if I farmed the few fattest countries before jumping instead (which I could have) Instead we decided to keep it in house.

In general though as I say, it wouldn't really benefit a team though... as written above there's not enough member base so it just hurts.

But it is a team game so if you felt like doing it at the start feel free. If some low life decided to post on the boards that you're a bad guy, I'd defend you :) even though... oh wait! :)

Mr.Silver

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Nov 4th 2010, 3:54:21

Originally posted by mrford:

Probably because my country died in glorious battle and I never restarted


That was a seriously "glorious" failed PS on Gains :P better luck next reset :)

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Nov 3rd 2010, 20:57:28

says the guy with 1mil networth at the end of the reset ;)
Swagger of a Chupacabra (#89)
(Fascism)
Networth: 1,025,857
Land: 3697
Successful Attack Percentage: 20%
Successful Defense Percentage: 4.55%