I hate no one, not even Atheist's

I have read it.

To start with Ill put out that there is a lot of metaphor in the bible. There are many Christians who don't believe in the literal 6 day creation, that accept that the universe is much much older than 10k years. The bible no where gives it an age.

The bible doesn't say the earth was created before light. It actually says: gen 1.2 the earth was at first a shapeless mass with the spirit of god brooding over the dark vapors. Kinda sounds like what science tells us and didn't know until what 100 years ago. Gen 1.3 Then god said let there be light. It was not until gen 1.6 that the earth was actually formed into a planet. So that does align with science. It also states Isaiah 40:22 that God sits above the circle of the earth. They did know it was round. Just because some idiots 500 some odd years ago chose to either misinterpret or overlook that can't be blamed on God.

To say that the fossils we have found of humans only date back to 100k years ago, so that must mean the human race is only that old, claims we have found all the possible human fossils we will ever find. Somehow I don't think that is true.

There are also descriptions of dinosaurs in the book of Job 40-41. The oldest book of the Bible. The Behemoth and the Leviathan as described could only be dinosaurs.

I also don't remember reading anywhere that the Bible says the earth rotated around the sun. Which book is that in?

Darwin himself said when he was alive that right now the fossil record is small and we can not prove evolution but in the future there will be many fossil's and the theory would be proven. (i paraphrased not an exact quote). We now have millions of fossils and as far as I now we have yet to find the missing link. There are many fragments of bones people have extrapolated on to try and prove it. But science does still call it a theory doesn't it?

I would put out that believing there is no God take as much faith as believing there is a God.

Atheism I can't respect it say's there is no God. That in and of itself is contradiction. In order to state something, you can't prove, as complete truth you have to be claiming you know all things. So the atheist is claiming omniscient in doing so claiming Godhood.

An Agnostic I can relate to and respect. He states that "I don't know if there is or isn't a God but I choose to think and live life as if there isn't a God.


/me awaits the flaming

Anyone else as excited as I am? I can't wait!!!

I have always been taught that the Bible is the infallible word of God. Written by men who were inspired by God to write down what insight he has given them.

I have also been told that the Bible has never been proven wrong by science quite the opposite were its possible it's been proven right through archaeology and other sciences.

I am a christian with an open mind because the Bible tells us to test all things for truth. Can someone give an example of anywhere something the the Bible says has been proven wrong? This is not sarcasm I truly want to know.

If you are unemployed for 2 years your standards have been set to high. One particular friend of mine has stated to me when she was unemployed "I will not work for less than $12 dollars an hour." Aand she means it. She would rather sit at home collecting from the government than work for 10 dollars an hour. I have watched her and her husband file for separation so she can lie and get government assistance. All the while they continue to live together. This same women could go back to school with the help from government assistance. I know because she has filed for and gotten student grants by enrolling in community college. Then turns around and spends the money as fast as it comes in and never goes to school to better herself. She has done it a few times in the 20 years i have known her. I have actually heard of way to many "poor" people I know employ this tactic. Should I be obligated to pay for this women and her families existence?

I have never, never been unemployed but by choice. If I wanted a job I always had one. I am unemployed at this moment by choice. I quit my job for reasons that are unimportant and have not looked for 3 months. I will go out in a couple weeks to find one and I bet I will have one within a couple weeks of starting the search.Maybe I am the odd case I don't know but I have always been able to get gainful employment when I wanted it.

My little sister has always worked 2 to 3 jobs because she is a workaholic. Why is it that she can find 2 and 3 jobs at one time but others say they can't get one? I say its because most people think way to highly of themselves and refuse to stoop to whatever line they have set in the sand. I have always told my kids "if the only job you can get is shoveling fluff be the best fluff shoveler you can be someone will notice and you wont have to do it for very long." I know this to be true I have shoveled many a pile in the past.

^^^^ that is a big part of our problems

Wow 31k for a married couple is considered poor. I am just above that by around 10k. I own my own home have 2 newer vehicles and a Harley. I have owned, in the past, a boat and a motorhome. I sold them because I just didn't use them anymore. I have raised 2 kids have at any given time 3 dogs to feed and given money to friends that say they needed it. Some how I just don't feel like I am anywhere near being poor. Maybe its because the only loans I have are for my home and my 2006 car I bought in 08. Everything else I saved for and refused to pay interest. I also do my best to live within my means.

How many of these so called poor people still buy there alcohol, get loans they cant afford, buy pot and other drugs (By the way I don't diss people who want to occasionally use. There should be no law against any drug use imo. That war truly has failed. Mainly because you cant stop it by attacking the supply side you have to lower the demand for it through education. That's just economics at work. I can have all the supply in the world if no one wants it well you get my point), eat out often, have xboxes, ps3's, cell phones, high speed internet and go out to the bars partying. My wife was a bartender for 7 years every Friday there were people that claim to be poor spending their entire paychecks at the bar. At what point are people responsible for themselves?

I am not talking about those that can't take care of themselves. I am all for helping those that can't (I stress can't) do for themselves. But I have watched to many people quit a job because someone asked them to do something that they did not think was in their job description or some other asinine reason, then wonder why no one else wants to hire them or why they can't promote to higher levels.

Also I am not talking about those living in third world countries living on dirt floors. I am talking about those that live in countries that truly have the opportunity to work hard and live within their means but just chose not to do it.

As for social security I do not expect to live off of that minuscule amount. That is why even at my income level I put the maximum amount that is tax deductible in a retirement plan. I was taught along time ago to pay myself first. I am the one doing the work it only makes sense.

So I ask again at what point are people responsible for themselves and their own stupidity?

At what dollar amount do you guys consider someone poor? Reading all this I am assuming if you make under 100k you are poor?

We all know nerds don't talk that way. Most humor is taking a subject and blowing it so far out of proportion it becomes funny.

I was kinda looking for what makes you laugh that's on television. I guess the need to argue with someone is just to great on these boards. Please forgive me for trying to give us a topic we do not have to bash each other over. It was my mistake for thinking it was possible.

Is it just me or is Big Bang Theory just the funniest thing on television?

They all need cut and some completely stopped. Of course I get no help from anyone but my wife. And I don't want any of those services cut so I guess your point is valid lol.

for those that dont know what it was:

The Tariff Act of 1930, otherwise known as the Smoot–Hawley Tariff (P.L. 71-361),[1] was an act, sponsored by United States Senator Reed Smoot and Representative Willis C. Hawley, and signed into law on June 17, 1930, that raised U.S. tariffs on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels.[2]

The overall level tariffs under the Tariff were the second-highest in U.S. history, exceeded by a small margin only by the Tariff of 1828[3] and the ensuing retaliatory tariffs by U.S. trading partners reduced American exports and imports by more than half.

and i guess the failing of most the banks in america, the great dust bowl, the smoot-hawley tariff (tax) curtail trade with europe, and the stock market crash had nothing to do with the depression. The depression happened in spite of the low tax rate not because of it. There was just to much to overcome that perfect storm to recover. To expect just lower tax rate to do it is expecting to much.

So if 90% of your income was taken from you, you would still risk the 10% on a venture where its possible you could fail and lose the 10% also? I wouldn't it would be stuck in the bank to collect whatever interest I could get out of it.

You think the economy is bad now tax the man that gives you a job 90% of his income and soon you won't have an income.

But there are many, I'll call them hippies, that do just that. It is like a religion for them. Again I don't mean to be offense but that is a cop-out. People don't have to live the life style they live. Most though are unwilling to give up the comforts that oil and coal afford them me included. Using inability to do so is just a way for those that don't wanna give it up a reason to continue living the way they are living because it is easier to do so for them. I agree the hardship and difficulty in living that way is great. That's why most choose to live with their hypocrisy.

If you don't ride a bike to work, use solar and wind to power your home or give up almost every man made object you have in your home and you are demonizing coal and oil it's pure hypocrisy. It is just like the bible thumping preacher in the pulpit say pornography and prostitution will morally corrupt us all then getting caught in the seedy hotel room with a hooker and a suitcase full of pron. I am sorry if that is insulting I mean no disrespect to anyone but it is basically the same thing.

I am also going to add that if you have a cell phone, ps3, high speed internet service, eat out instead of at home etc etc then you are not poor. I am sick in tired of the people around me living beyond their means then wanna claim they are poor. Quit getting loans for things you cant afford. Quit living to impress your friends and see how much better off you can be.


I saying all this as I sit here unemployed. I have never made more than 45k a year yet some how I managed to save enough money not to go to the government for help or cry and whine that I don't have enough money to live my life. I was a high school drop out at the age of 15. Yet i have imo opinion been very successful by working hard and not spending more than I have made. It can be done I am proof of it.

I see people getting 5k plus tax returns because of earned income credit and a month later they are in the same boat they were before the check in the mail. It truly makes me sick.

I guess the graduating sales tax to a higher rate as you spend more on a product wasn't even considered? 10% on the ford focus to 30% on the escalade.

Why would you have to track what an individual pays. The sales receipts that are created when a purchase is made would be enough.

Taxing income is the most detrimental thing that has ever happened to anyone.

As for exemptions I don't think there should be any for anyone. That is where we give the loopholes for those that can pay more not to pay their fair share.

Again I have googled it and just like everything else on the net you get sites that say what you say, some say what I say and some say humans put out more than volcanoes. I guess it's down to choosing what you wanna believe.

I have googled it and ill give you the rain fall. I don't understand why what I have read though says it is all being done secretly. If I could create rainfall I would be screaming it from the rooftops. Have we ever stopped one?

We have volcanoes erupting around the world somewhere everyday. While one volcano might rest there is another that is pumping it out.

As for the extinction of animals 95% of all animals on this planet has gone extinct without mankind having anything to do with it.

Don't get me wrong I think it is outstanding that we are trying to come up with way's to create cheap renewable energy. But I refuse to demonize what has gotten us here or return to the way we lived 150 years ago. We Have cleaned up our act from 100 years ago when we dumped everything into the environment. Oil and coal has created an almost nirvana. Without them you would still be using horse's to get around and so many more would be suffering on this planet than already do. This is the greatest time ever to be alive thanks to both. We have things at our finger tips today that kings and queens couldn't imagine just a very short time ago.

When I was in my late teens to early 20's it was the hole in ozone layer scare tactic. Now you hear nothing about it. Every generation has those people who have a reason to proclaim doom and gloom. For some reason though it never happens the way they say it will happen.

The earth actually corrected itself with above average lighting storms (lighting creates ozone).

One decent volcanic eruption puts out more green house gases than man kind has ever put out since we have been on this planet. The earth recovers from those all the time. I truly find it hard to believe it can not recover from our insignificant presence.

All this doom and gloom is just an example of mankind's arrogance that it has any control over mother nature.

If you think we have the power to control mother nature please create even the smallest rain storm for those that need it or stop one for those that don't. Until then the only way I believe we can destroy the earth would be using all our nuclear weapons to blow it up completely.

Not only does he want the escalade, he wants the sports car the motorcycle and the boat. He wants a vacation home along with the trips abroad, the finer more expensive clothes. I don't understand how you can say the richer man doesn't spend more than the poorer man. that makes no sense.

Also if you gave the poorer man his whole check he would not be as poor as he was before.

Its not about spending all your money. The guy who has little will pay less because he will buy the Ford Focus and the guy with more money pays more because he wants the Escalade. You would spend and pay taxes according to what you can afford.

I know this will be flamed but we need to do away with the income tax all together. A national sales tax is the answer. It will throw a much larger net for collecting taxes. People spend money at the rate they earn it an can afford it. The richer you are the more you buy and the more expensive you buy. The drug dealers, illegals and any other group of people that avoid taxes now would not be able to avoid them with a sales tax.

I would be more than willing to pay as much as 20 to 25% hell even 30% sales tax if you will just allow me to bring home my whole pay check.

Make it a graduating sales tax if needed, as the price increases at certain points increase the tax on the item. Doing this will allow the ones that just cant afford it to pay less and those that can to pay more.

This funny to me. You say theoretical then continue on like its fact

Its hard to beat near slave labor

This thread proves to me all of earth is a family.

/me feels all warm inside

You missed part of the equation

How bout this is the best thread since splinterless toilet paper. I dont know about ya'll but I can slice my own bread.

I guess our definition of a bully is different. To me a bully does what he does just for the pleasure of the terror he can inflict. Like all the mini Stalins and Hitlers we have around the world.

Those types wouldnt be talking about leaving Iraq a free and independent people with complete control of their countries resources and political fate.

Personally I wish the free world could remove them all from power, but I tend to always bring things down to a personal level.

If I was walking down the street and heard someone screaming like they are being harmed from inside a locked house. First I would call the police. Second, I am not waiting for them to arrive I am breaking in to try and help. Now that may get me in all kinds of trouble on many different levels. I will take the consequences of my actions whatever they may be, but I can not just stand by and let it continue.

Actually while typing this it reminds me of a time about, oh crap it was 11 or 12 years ago. I was out front of my house working on a car for a friend. I was sitting in the drivers seat and heard a huge commotion from across the street. I looked up in the rear view mirror just in time to see this huge man about 6'2" 300lbs blast the women that lived there right in the face. There was a whole crowd of people that were just standing around watching, letting it happen. Now I am no bad ass. I am 5'11" 140 lbs on my best day. My gun was in the house and this women was being beaten. I had no time to get to my gun so I yelled into the house to call the cops, went to the back of my van and pulled out its bumper jack. If you dont know what a bumper jack is ill tell you. It is a steel pipe that has about a 15lb steel sleeve that goes up and down it, used to jack up old cars by the bumper. I walked through the crowd of about 15 people. I engaged a few with questions mainly just to see where their state of mind was as I moved in. The first guy I asked why was not he stopping it. The second I asked if they knew whether or not he had a gun. Now all this happened within a minute or 2. I didnt really wanna fight this dude like I said he was quite large and well I am not. He knew I was coming because I was making as much noise as I could I wanted him to see what I planned to hit him with. Luckily he was smart enough to stop beating his women and he got into his car. Within about 10 minutes of yelling inside for the cops to be called the police showed up. I will admit to me it seemed like forever.

But anyway thats how I tend to look at things. We have freed millions from living their daily lives in terror. In return we ask for their support and friendship. When someone calls that bullying it gets my panties in a knot. No hard feelings here though.

this thread is just to funny lmfao

I will agree there may be a few holy souls that wouldnt take advantage of it. The vast majority though will always use what they have to THEIR own advantage. Its the human condition. We are still the same beings mentally that lived in caves. The only difference is our tech. Proof to that, how many people think the world is going to end in 2012 due to a celestial event? Way to many to considered the human being to be any more evolved than the caveman. Before you say its just the stupid ones there are scientists saying it. So educated people also fear the constellations just like the caveman feared an eclipse.

Of all the grammar errors that permeate this place you are going to give me a hard time about a simple slip.

Could that be considered taking advantage of everything you could from my post to denigrate me? When I have never in the 8 years playing this game insulted anyone personally.

We arent bullies. We just want our way and have the power to make it happen..... usually. There isnt a soul in here that wouldnt take advantage of that in there own personal life why does it make us evil?

If it was me I would take it as a hint :P

They just aren't out breeding the other squirrels. They are truly evil they chase the red and brown males down and bite off their nuts.

Who are you trying to kid Braden. The USA/Britain alliance having troops stationed all over the world has done nothing to keep communism and the tyrants of the world at bay.

The Marshall plan was a huge mistake and I am sure millions suffered from it. If only the German/Japan coalition would of succeeded the whole world would be one happy place.

I am also sure Kim Jong Il would of been more than happy to of stayed on his own side of the 38th parallel. We have been wasting our time and money sitting there not protecting freedom.

Who cares that we are the only power in history to invade a land and once its been conquered we rebuild the infrastructure, secure the peace the best we can, train the people to do the job themselves, allow the people to create their own government and then leave only asking for your friendship and support in return.

Oh the evil of it all

I am not going to give my opinion on what these men have done. It wouldn't change anyone's mind anyway. I will say though that I find it amazing that anyone of you are saying what you would do given the same situation. Most of us have no idea how we would act in any stressful event we encounter.

Mob mentally has caused many to do things they would have never done and regret once they have had a moment to think about it. If you think you are any different the human condition has escaped your understanding.

The best D the Giants had on the field were the Green Bay receivers

NOOOOO! Suni I am so sorry please forgive me!

I was blinded by the gold. Ill tell Goldie its off right away. she wont be happy and I'll have to lock the toilet bowl so no suicide attempts are made but I'm sure she will get past it eventually.

I wanna marry my goldfish

I hate Tom Brady


http://youtu.be/iy1dXPuI_gE

The great equalizer


http://youtu.be/o4Ofv7CvqoE

Oh yea and speaking of Bradshaw another mediocre QB that found a way to win.

I am showing my age here but I remember when Terry Bradshaw said Elway needed to quit football and go play baseball.

You really have to give a guy a chance for the game to slow down for him. Pro football is so much faster than college, some take a little longer to get used to the speed its played on that level.

And remember you dont need a great QB to win the super bowl. Trent Dilfer actually has a ring.