Isn't CC already planning to do that????

cerberus at this point even you have to understand how badly you're being beaten. You have lost 5 original countries in the initial assault that you were warned was coming. Your claim to pending victory is that your restart countries will have "most" of the resources they had when they were crushed by a player who had already been warring and your countries were fresh.

It is just embarrassing that you don't seem to understand how much you are outclassed.

In your counter strike you managed to kill 0 countries.

Go ahead and throw your insults or whatever, but dude the facts are the facts.

You are being slaughtered.

There is some reprieve in the fact that it is Rockman who is crushing you, as he could beat 90% of the players in this game 1v1.

Just my .02 take it or leave it.

Any bets as to which one will go off first?

Fascinating

If it's over 4k I'll typically set an order for what I need. Someone will sell it for 3999 or less before I lose any turns for inactivity.

If you don't like the way you're being treated make your opponent regret messing with you. Kill more of their countries than they can kill of yours!

Less talkie.... more walkie!!!!

Yes.

Any and all farmers please feel free to put your food on the market at $34. I guarantee it will all be purchased as soon as it becomes available. Farmers were meant to be poor. It's not about making money it's about caring for the masses.

Use your heart and feed my countries for $34 a bushel :)

So only 1 LG per country per 24hr. Got it thanks for the heads up ;)

P

Did somone say thumb war?

Good on ya Papa

That's Smurftastic

it was a genuinely appreciated laugh

far from picking i was thanking him/her

much appreciated laugh

LMFAO

whew that was a gut buster, tears in eyes and all, 6 beers before reading it may have helped, but sum fluff that was funny

I guess I just feel bad for the untags that get bottom fed. People should play in a tag because they like it there or because they want to. Farming untags and bottom feeding them and then making it so they have 0 recourse does not seem to be in the "Spirit of the game" either.

The players that bottome feed from the protection of a tag should know that there is potential consequence for their entire tag.

I help kill suiciders that attack unprovoked, but there is a difference between crazy over retalling after being farmed and just plain suiciding to be a prick.

If I owned #1404 or #2100 I would be more pissed at the owner of #418-430 than I would be at the suicider. That is once the initial rage wore off :P

You shuold not farm an untag #1 because it is a crappy thing to do #2 so that the untag doesn't do just what this one did to another country in your clan.

Message to UNTAGS:

Don't go vigilante and suicide

Join NBK and avoid being farmed in the first place. :)

The vacation thing was to avoid the 72 hour retal window.

I think when they delete they pay the price already with the new restart feature they are already way behind.

Besides if I was on line and saw that happen I would have grabbed a bunch too. Figuring that someone would surely kill it. And they would just destroy buildings and drop acres anyway. So the countries grabbed are still not going to get their land back.

This game is already slanted enough toward netters. You would just be fluffing the untagged guys more.

Really sad actually. Every set someone posts what mean guys/gals NBK is, but we are among a very few who don't usually farm small tags and untags.

Looked up the news and I can see the Pan hater thing, but don't see the reason for the BadAss or ESD hits?

and looks like TBTHOG got no love at all??

PS Jul 3, 14:51 T1 (#774) TBTHOG Homes (#4358) 297 A
SS Jul 3, 16:03 4 No (#418) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 182 A
SS Jul 3, 16:04 4 No (#418) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 178 A
PS Jul 3, 16:24 Homes (#4358) cbf2 (#718) ESD 2715 A
SS Jul 3, 16:29 8 Maybe Not (#422) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 284 A
SS Jul 3, 16:29 8 Maybe Not (#422) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 221 A
SS Jul 3, 16:59 12 Hate (#426) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 243 A
SS Jul 3, 16:59 12 Hate (#426) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 149 A
SS Jul 3, 17:16 14 Pain (#428) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 155 A
SS Jul 3, 17:26 16 Glory (#430) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 107 A
SS Jul 3, 17:26 16 Glory (#430) xPANLVx Homes (#4358) 114 A

Untags need all jetters to retal bottom feeds from clans that grab then constantly.

Just saying if an untag is actively playing their country and has not abandoned their lands then bottom feeding them should be looked at the same as bottom feeding a clan.

LOL

QM you never fail to make me laugh

and sometimes think WTF???

and BONUS

No Desp it is not ok.

only Twiz knows the details and it made no difference as we were outnumbered from the start and on the receiving end of an oop FS

I was only guessing that he received aid based on how fast his restarts grew and their NW when he did tag them to hit.

Yes DT I had a different forum name then. I forgot my log in a while back so created a new name. I still use my original when I am in chat on our site. That might be why Rebel does not recognize this nick.

I know there was a point in one of the first 4 sets of EE that Twiz built a string untagged, it grew pretty sizable and fast and went pretty much un-molested. Don't know if he got aid, but that is really the only time I can think of that you could be talking about. It was during our lemming war with AoDT.

Twiz should be able to confirm if he received aid or not.

and for the record I am with Syn on this issue. If you aid the enemy during war you can expect to see us in your news as soon as feasibly possible

Still the ultra douche eh Twiz??

glad you gone from NBK, you've been nothing but a fluff since Sauron stepped down as prez.

3 lines as requested Gambit :)

If you run enough defense and don't pee in other peoples' Cheerios you will do okay as an untagged.

Just keep your cool and retal effectively. Most clans will leave you be.

It is fun to grow a tree every now and then.

Some of the fellows here in NBK can net very very well.

I R not one of them ;)

WT were you not just saying earlier in this thread that buildings need to be better constructed to use energy more efficiently and that bigger government was the solution. More mandated programs and so on??

Now you complain because old buildings are torn down so companies can hire people to rebuild them to their required specifications so they can be modern and more useable for their need? So what if they get a tax credit for putting people to work and expanding their operation. They are investing in that community.

Are you just posting fluff to try and be argumantative?

Either you are intentionally lying or are uninformed. Regardless you are just straight out wrong!!

Research land banks and you will see why farmers are subsidized to leave land bare.

Ask an accountant if expansion of a business is tax deductible or not.

Nah he is talking about Russia.

I believe it was Twain who said that in this country we have a bad habit of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

You do understand that regardless of how much a company makes that they can reinvest a portion of their earnings into growing their company and reduce their tax burden by expanding their operation. Thus through leveraging tax liability the government can encourage growth and development of already large companies. 19 billion or 19 trillion is irrelevant if the company grows their operation and reinvests properly.

Don't blame the wolf for killing the sheep. Blame the farmer for not protecting his sheep and controlling the wolf population.

We are supposed to control our government, not the other way around. If you lobby your congressman to introduce legislation to stop subsidizing the oil companies then I'm sure it would take root and we could force the government to comply.

Cut the bull fluff with the Polluter Welfare blah blah blah and I would be much more interested in discussing things with you.

KoH we are not turning them conservative and they are not turning us liberal because honestly none of us are either of those things.

At the core most people feel pretty much the same way. All the talking heads and scare columnists try to make mountains of our differences. Once you work through it the differences are mostly semantics.

Government is working to polarize the masses so they can control us.

Don't drink the cool-aid. :P

You guys are gonna make me tear up here!!! :)

I think I might love you....

War Time suggested shutting down the fed and getting rid of income tax.

mdevol threw out the idea of buy what's best, not what's the cheapest pile of crap you can lug home from Wally Hell.

Twain recommends banking with your local bank and not a conglomerate bank.



Smaller government, take action at the individual level, personal responsibility.

AAAHHH... give me minute to breath it in.

War Time this may be the best post I have ever seen you make.

You are correct on both counts. IRS should be gone. Federal Reserve should be gone.

Smaller government that is of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Furthermore, as Azz Kikr brought up, 10% of someone's income that is only making $25,000 a year is far more punitive than 35% of someone making $500,000, just because there's a certain amount that must be made in order to support oneself and one's family.

Right there... right there... this is what no one wants to acknowledge :

If you make 25k a year then you are not "entitled" to a 60" plasma TV and all that other "stuff" people think they cannot live without.

It is hard to pull yourself up by the boot straps because gov't has imposed a glass ceiling where they take more of what you earn in a disproportionate scale as you make more money.

Taking more from one income level and giving it to another or handing it to the gov't to handle is not the answer.

Reduce the size of gov't.

Institute a flat tax and do away with 50% of the IRS employees.

Reduce elected officials pensions.

Reduce the pay of elected officials.

Cut aid to foreign countries.

I am not saying that it is not harder for the working class under 100k a year. I am saying that if the gov't got their hands out of peoples pockets and backed off to let them live their lives we would all be better off.

As for your last point Twain : Giving someone a chance to succeed does not mean regulating them to death. And then taxing them for dying. As long as we have a government that pends out of control and then tries to make the masses fight each other to take from those who have managed to succeed no one will truly have success.

A couple questions if anyone knows because I do not.

1) why is overtime pay taxed at a higher rate?
2) why do we pay tax on our earnings?
3) Twain you said you work at a Catholic school which I would assume is funded by donations of the congregation. Why would you pay tax at all?

War Time:

There are not a fluff load of houses going up right now are there? So there are a lot of roofers out of work. Same goes for plumbers, electricians.... and that is because of government over regulation of the housing market beginning with Clinton and being expanded by Bush. Again no magic no mirrors. Just fact.

Sorry to hear about your friend taking his life, but there are places not in someones back yard to work. If that means moving from Cali to Utah well then pack your bags. Point still remains there are more opportunities for better pay with more education.

You are right the middle class took the biggest hit. If someone made 100k a year and was extended to the max then they sank. Moral of the story; Put money away for a rainy day. Ever read the book, Who moved my cheese?

Apparently your 401b was not properly diversified. I also had investments that took a hit. When they began to come back up I dumped a large amount of money on them to increase the up and was taxed to death when I liquidated them. Oh well it happens.

You want to blame the wealthy for you being broke because they are wealthy.

Stop the madness. The government over regulation and over spending is what caused this "collapse"

Government incentivised business to go outside our borders to help bring prosperity to the rest of the world. You call it "Corporate Welfare" it is more accurate to call it "3rd World Welfare".

Yes Wal-Mart is a fluff employer and works their employees the max hours it can without "legally" giving them benefits. I refuse to shop there.

Open your eyes to what is happening. Stop blaming your neighbor and trying to take more of what they have earned.

Make the government get out of the way so this country has a chance of recovery.

Remember that in spite of what is currently going on we still have the best thing going on the planet. We can make change. We can elect new people. We have rights to be free if we choose to invoke them.

Twain you just don't want to hear my point.

The point is that the people who make more already pay more.

The people who make less pay less.

Those who cannot make do have support out there to make change.

We, as a whole, need to spend less time and energy trying to make rules to make the top performers pay more.

We need to spend our time and energy making the government smaller and forcing it to spend less.

Yes Popcom you are right on the money.

To take it one step further let's add this to the equation:

As a person looking to hire an employee if you have A B C standing in front of you and A has no HS Diploma, B has a HS Diploma and C has an AS Degree you are PROBABLY going to hire C.

Once again widening the gap of uneducated unemployed and the educated employed.

No trick, no magic... just the way it is.

OMFG you must be high.

Do you think that universities spring into being without someone starting them? Okay so maybe your university is now run by a co-op or some other entity, but it is a safe bet that it did not start that way. Even universities are for profit organizations.

And if your "Greedy Bankers" had refused to make the loans that ultimately went into default and subsequently crashed the economy then they would have been sued as being discriminatory and another bank would have made the loan anyway.

The government forced, through regulation, the banks to make the loans and lied to the loan insurers that they would cover them if they did default.

Selling sub-prime mortgages allows the bank that is selling them to reduce their exposure to loss in the event of a default. The people buying them take points in exchange for the risk. They felt they were safe because the loans were federally guaranteed.

Of course 15 guys in a boardroom care about wages. Employers need stable, productive employees that know what they are doing respective to their job. For the large majority they are willing to pay to keep those people happy and productive. Maybe that has not been your experience because you have worked in places where your work could not be quantified that way.

I was going to be thoughtful in my response to you, but that is not what you would want so go fluff yourself you are a waste of oxygen you socialist egocentric bastard :P

War Time you are an absolute f'ing idiot if you cannot figure out why these numbers are what they are.

What does a Non HS Grad do for employment?

What does the upper class College/Post Secondary School grad do for employment?

Which sector has dropped off the most with the burst of the housing bubble?

There is no conspiracy or secret key to unlocking the mystery here. Low level construction, production, and assembly jobs were higher in 2007 than today. WOW shocker right.

If you already had amassed wealth and were invested in diversified portfolios then you have taken a loss in some areas and gained in others so now you are at a net 0 (no gain, but no substantial loss)

yeah real age of "robber barons" here.

No one with one good eye and half a brain is going to buy your load of bullfluff.

1st : It does not matter how it affects them. Everyone is crying about "Fair share" and a "Fair share" is everyone pays their portion of the bill owed.

If you and I are kicking back drinking a beer and decide to take our 2 families to pizza dinner do we sit there and figure out who makes what and divide the tab up by our incomes? Or do we both pitch in half because both of our families shared the meal?

If your income is double mine do you drive on different highways? Should you pay more to maintain the highways we share?

2nd : Did you know that your employer, you know the rich person, not only pays individual tax on earnings they take from their company, but is required to match certain taxes they withhold from you when they pay their business taxes? (I have not had employees since 1998 so I don't know what today's numbers are now, but then it was around 70% of the tax my employees paid I had to match when I paid my company tax.)

3rd : You are right it is not proportional because they pay a much larger share than most even begin to realize.


4th : It is not the guy next door making "Too much money" that has got us where we are today.

Too much government is what has lead us here.

The housing bubble collapse was due to over regulation of the housing market, not under regulation. The collapse of the securities and exchange was due to over regulation, not under regulation. The collapse of GM was due to over regulation (by the unions as well) not under regulation.

What was the driving force for banks to make risky/unsecure loans?

Why did the securities market insure those risky loans?

Why do auto makers send their vehicles to Canada to have their A/C units charged and buy their electronic components from Mexico?

Twain: The "rich" (man I hate that vague term) already pay for over 85% of what this county operates on. Take the blinders off for just a minute and look at the average tax contribution.

For argument sake, let's say you put in around 8k and got around 3k of that back. So you alone contribute 5k. Let's say all 300,000,000 Americans were working and paying in the same amount. That would be a gross of about 1 and a half trillion dollar budget to work with. Now here comes the problem. Take 3% away from the contribution pool for disability/retirees. Take 10% away for current unemployment. Take 1% away for people who work for the government who, may pay taxes on earnings, but their whole earnings are a drain on the budget. So remove 240 bil just in what they would be contributing. Now figure that 14% draws an average salary of 30k a year. That is a drain of 1.5 trillion dollars a year. You now have 0 to operate the country on. Remember in this scenario you still have not put 1 gal of fuel in the presidents helicopter, jet or limo. You have not put 1 gal of fuel in an FBI vehicle. Not one inch of interstate has been paved. Not one dollar has gone to a foreign country for aid.

Where do you think the majority of taxes that this country runs on come from?

No Twain I do not think that you are only as valuable as the size of your paycheck. If that was the case I would have a very low opinion of myself as well since my earning are not stellar by any stretch of the imagination.

You at 31 are well on your way to a solid career and though you may not earn a ton of cash each year you said it yourself you have a savings and add to it. You are continuing your education and that will undoubtedly increase your income over time.

I recently (2010) liquidated an underperforming mutual fund and was charged 28% capital gains, 8% state and some other early some thing or another fee. I ended up basically putting money into an account and pulling out the same dollars I put in after 4 years of purchasing that stock. So had a net gain of near 0 on $10,000.00 invested (it was just over $130.00 more than originally invested). I knew there was a risk of losing all I put in and am not complaining about getting all my money back, but all the rants about how much X or Y makes and does not pay tax on is getting out of hand. Yes their gains on paper are substantial. If I had been able to invest $1,000,000.00 then my net gains would have obviously been more and the same taxes would have been levied against me to liquidate those stocks and use my cash. It is the same for anyone who invests.

What is frustrating me the most is that there are resources at our disposal to improve our situations and if people do not start at home and change what is within their control they should not be asking "Big Brother" to take what you and I and others like us have earned so they can feel equal.

There are grants and scholarships for education, work resource funds through the department of labor, work study programs, journeyman trade opportunities and multiple different faith based education opportunities. People have to go out and actively pursue them for them to work.

There is no reason for someone to sit on their thumb and complain about what someone else has when there are a multitude of opportunities to go out and earn the same thing for themselves.

That is unless we let our Republic become a Fascism or Communism where no matter how hard you work or how much you save the Gov't tells you what you can and cannot have. Or tells you how much you can or cannot earn.

Investment income is taxed on earnings. If you take out your invested money and it's earnings before it matures you are hit with capitol gains tax, plus penalties, fees and state taxes.

So even though people like Romney may not have paid tax on all they "earned" they did pay tax on all they earned and had access to. If Romney or any other person with money invested was to take that money out to use it they would pay tax on it. Simply saying that he paid a lower percent based on earnings is garbage. He actually paid more on what he earned and had access to use for living, than his secretary did on what she earned and had access to, to use for living.

Invested money is put back in the economy in the hopes it generates more money. That is not always the case. So unless you want to start compensating losing investors for their losses then you better back off taxing earnings from investment anymore than it already is.

Take your savings to the broker and invest it and see if you really want to see any more tax applied to the earnings. You might change your tune pretty fast.

If you don't make enough money then do something different. Don't try to take what you don't have from someone else because you are too lazy to go earn it for yourself. Hell go to work in North Dakota they are hiring anyone with a pulse, and paying 18+ an hour depending on what you know how to do.

Is there no one else in this community that invests that will chime in here and inform these libs that on top of paying tax on your income before investing it you pay tax on the earning when you take it out?

Oh and when we spend our recently withdrawn investment money we pay sales tax and depending on what we buy we pay an additional luxury tax and the list goes on and on. And to make it even better when I die and pass it to my kids I will pay a death tax and they will pay an inheritance tax. So you can take your "The rich don't pay" fluffing bullfluff and stick it straight up your fluffing ass!

If you are too stupid to live a life that allows you to put away for the future and still exist then don't blame me or try to take what I have worked for.

Oh and before you go on some tirade about how I must make too much money blah blah blah.... I make under 65k a year and raise 3 kids that never go without clothes or meals. So if I can do it any one of you can as well. The only threat to lower middle class Americans is libs like Obama and idiots like WT wanting everything to be free cheese and collapsing the country as a whole before we can reap the returns of our sacrifice and hard work.

I saw someone suggest raising the minimum wage.... why would you think that raising the base cost of producing goods and providing services and thereby raising the cost of living would make anything better?

Someone else stated that we are overrun with illegal immigrants not paying their fair share. Those immigrants do the manual labor jobs that bring the food to the table of Americans at a price that we can afford. (that most Americans view as being beneath them) We need to enforce the immigration laws we have with temporary visas for work and school which would be enough to curb that problem. (note i did not say completely correct it) Also not demonizing law enforcement for enforcing current immigration laws would be good as well. Exportation of illegal aliens convicted of drug or violent crimes should also be a priority. (not putting them in our jails and paying for them)

We need to reduce the income of elected officials and pro rate their retirement pay to receive at most 50% of their pay after retirement and not their entire salary for the rest of their lives.

We need to do away with the BS "Carbon Credit" and green tax garbage that companies have to pay to operate in this country so they will come back and manufacture goods here again.

States like Washington need to be cut off from federal funding for maintenance on their roads and waterways if they continue to block the mining and sale of trillions of dollars worth of coal from the Rockies. (which would undoubtedly create many jobs for skilled labor and revenue for the federal government)

All states should manage the wildlife that is native to that state and all federal funding/regulation of those programs should be defunded/deregulated. The only wildlife that should be federally regulated if wildlife that migrates annually between several different states or that enters the ocean or another country. (Ducks, Geese, Salmon and so on)

Class discrimination needs to be viewed in the same light as race discrimination and the minority needs to be accepted for their exceptional-ism and not demonized for their success.

The government needs to be forced to put it's share of the companies it purchased with the bail out funds from all the bailouts on the public market to be sold to repay the debt incurred in bailing those companies out. (i know that would mean that foreign investors and even foreign governments could then purchase those shares, but that is the way it goes when you make your company a public commodity)

The federal government should not be allowed to hold stock in any private company.

GSA which currently manages US Govt fleet vehicles should purchase vehicles and not lease them. The fleet should be put on a 5 year rotation regardless of mileage and and every year 20% of the fleet should be sold at public auction. The proceeds of the sale should go toward the purchase of the next years replacement fleet.

Government officials below the speaker of the house should be required to fly on commercial air. No GSA planes should be used. They could be allowed to fly military Space A flights at the reduced cost as long as there was an already scheduled flight. Also unless they personally paid the difference they should be required to fly the cheapest available fare.

There is so much more that can be done to reduce spending, but this is enough for one rant thread. :P

I take a risk on every dollar I invest that it will grow. That is not always the case. Before you go on blasting your horn about unfair tax for people who earn a portion of their income from investments why don't you make a few investments and see how much you are already taxed on income, you earn on YOUR money, that you chose to set aside, instead of spend to live on.

How about instead of going around looking at what other people have earned and trying to find a way to take it from them you go out and find a way to earn your own?

There you go Bradman that is a great idea. Weekly drug test to receive your weekly benefits!!

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It was over the last 4 days of the set and yes PM destock.

Was simply saying thanks for the extra acres.

because you detagged the inactive 24xx string i was able to end the set with 45k acres on one of my Tyr's

that is the most land i have ever had on one country.

pretty small by self farming standards, but great for me. :)

Accept the pacts I sent you and I will send you turrets and cash to raise your NW where more of us can fire our missiles.

Accept the offers sent

raise the NW on it to 3mil and i will be happy to fire missiles at you mdevol ;)