Landkills.......... Ahhhh, The good old days.

Wow. This is like.... Outdated.

I almost asked this Twiztid fellow what kind of crack he was on posting SOTA as a netgaining clan choice with 60-80 countries when I'm personally whooping our lovely Ms Nightshade's undoubtedly attractive but 36 country bottom all over FFA with a mere 16 countries.

But just before I did what I usually do and run my utterly clueless suck, I noticed that the post was a month old and that maybe SOTA actually MAY have had 60-80 countries on May 19th. And ESD didn't have ONE.

I have no experience in programming. I don't know how feasible it is to make diminishing returns higher for farming oneself as opposed to land grabbing other players.

I remember MPE in 1a. I was a founding member and original co-leader. :)

And in terms of 1a, your argument is flawless. But not here.

I've always considered retal land as "clan land" if I do a retal that a member can't to get his land back, letting him grab those acres back off me is NOT 2 stepping.

And I'd go to war over it.

You're another one of those tags I've been checking on. ;)

Why chat? You could just join ESD too!


How about right now?

I got a belly full of the whole "Leadership" thing. I worked my way up to VP in the old MPE, and then started the disastrous WARINC/NETINC thing with Landon (Outlawz0) and then threw ESD together.

I recommend Leadership to anyone. It teaches you how good you had it when you were just a peon.

Yeah, but only the clans that were idiots banged a player who farmed up their untaggeds. It's not productive for cheaters to give themselves away.

Most times, like you say, if you didn't go to a well (meaning a particular numerical seriies of countries) too often, you could yank sweet acres and be on your happy way.

Now and then, I'd get a PM from "soandso" letting me know I was grabbing his countries, and I'd back off.

And to be honest, if it was in my sphere of interest to finish with a top 10 country, I'd have to self-farm as things are in the game right now. And if that was in my sphere, I'd do it.

The one thing I would NOT do is brag about how great I am or let my clan go on and on about how uber they were because I decided to self-farm my way to fame and fortune.

That's really the only thing I might have against self-farmers. They're really not any better than the average bear at the end of the day and shouldn't be elevated as if they were.

That said, the hard core self-farmers really need to have their own class so that they can compare themselves with like-minded players.

That's a reasonable and common-sense point of view Twain. Which is why you should drop everything and join ESD.

In those days, there was, like 25,000 countries on the server. And probably an easy 50% of them were untagged or were just a spam tag.

For all I know, half of THOSE were untagged multis being run by players with their 15 in "legit" clans, but the point is that there was a TON of available acreage and that there really was no reason to self-farm.

LOL... In ESD, every member was Silver (level 11 IIRC). I was of course, the only level 12. It was my site, after all.


That's the advantage to running a clan that has maybe at most a dozen vets who know the game and play smart. None of them really want to be a "Leader" cause they've been there and done that.

So exactly what kind of netgaining/grabbing are you looking to do in FFA? Or what would you like to see?

Landtrading isn't good for either side as I'm sure you know.

That's a great point. If you increase the amount of land a player can explore, there's less incentive to self-farm. A positive side effect of that is that a player has more countries being an active participant in the game economy as opposed to being just an "explore be farmed" robot.



Yep.

Yeah, see, ESD doesn't and isn't going to have a site. And "members" traditionally have done their own FA but the truth is that I've always been so lucky to have great and smart players, that FA never becomes an issue.

Truth be told, if you have a few veteran player who know what they're doing, you really don't need a whole lot of pomp and circumstance to work your way through a reset in this game.

I've never been a huge fan of self-farming, but in terms of population on the server, there aren't enough spam tags/untagged countries to gain acres.

Call me silly, but an occasional "top feed" is a cost of doing business in the world of self-farming, IMO.

And all "self-farming" isn't what it always seems. IMO. For example, I would definitely farm down a country I was using as a retaller to keep it lean and mean. I've always believed that retalled land is "clan land".

At the end of the day, I think what you gotta do is let go of the fact that guys are gonna self-farm one or two of their countries to ungodly acres that turn into ungodly networth.

I don't play in the same class as those guys, so I don't try to compare myself to them. It's apples and oranges.

Well, that's cool. I logged out only behind you in ANW today. And I"m not "trying" yet. I have a ton of potential NW in cash reserve right now, and I'm selling way more tech than I have to.

I'm just getting to my land goals.

If you have something to prove out or want to play around with on your own this reset, that's cool. I'd love to hook up with you next set if not this one. That's really all I'm saying. :)

Oh yeah. OVERLORD

I remember now.

What clan are you in Twain? I just found out who you "were" and now how it is you know who I am and what I did. LOL

Enshula. Are you gonna make me beg you to join ESD in front of all the kids?

Not that I WOULD be you or anything...

In all honesty, I'm just "relearning" the game. Even when I'm back up to speed, I wouldn't say that I was much better than average in talent as far as netting goes.

What I did at ESD was surround an average netter with brilliance. Most of the best players in the game hung with me at one point or another and made me and the clan look very, very good.

So he was. And he played for ESD in a set. Only a couple countries and not the whole set IIRC. ;) He was pretty much over playing, but he gave me a TON of advice.

That was prolly the best thing I ever got out of being buddies with Spud (Potatomac......errr.....Potomac). I had access to God.


A little secret I was never supposed to divulge. :)

Yeah, but this is what... the 3rd reset of the "new" FFA?

I'm betting LaE doesn't continue with that kind of TNW un less they're very, very careful as players return and add to the game, but I could be way off base. LaE OBVIOUSLY has some damn good players over there.

LOL. I remember FORT. I actually had one or two of the original FORT guys play a set in ESD.

I dont know. There was one set near the end of FFA in the Mehul days where ESD won TNW AND ANW with like 108 countries.

We barely beat out PANLV. Like at the last moment in fact.

As far as how many it would take, maybe 100 countries, or 6 people who knew what they were doing.

If you stay solo, let me know what your tag is. Not like I'm gonna grab you anyways but....

I think the "original" SV was in the Golden Phoenix IIRC, but that's been years ago. And I've killed an assload of brain cells since then.

Well he said "new here" instead of saying a little about his previous antics in FFA like I did when I came back in.

That's really not a bad idea. I can't seem to get the hang of this particular version of Earth and I'm about tired of trying. Maybe I'll just become a gunslinger.

You the same SV that used to play long ago?

That's cool. ICey. I've known you forever and I absolutely trust that you'd tow the line if you were tagged up as ESD.

And if NOT?, why I'd do what I've done to members in the past and kill you myself. :)

Well see? That whole halfway thing isn't so bad. Yin and Yang and stuff.

Didn't figure you'd go for it but never hurts to ask. :)

Well then you better get your nettin' shoes on there, girly girl. ;)

Why don't you come hang out with me? ESD could easily stand for Enshula's Screaming Demons you know.

Yeah yeah, I know you self-farm a bit and some peeps don't like that but the way I look at it, your "landfarms" are pretty solid on their own. Hell. They'd be like 10th in ANW as they are if there were 16 of them.

I'd like to see 2 or 3 of us hook up and show this server how to netgain. ;)

That depends on how you look at being grabbed. Granted, in the case of being farmed by one Clan, I';d almost see your point. But for that, you just dec on them.

Take a walk with me, BP. Into the scary. twisted place known as Dragon's Brain.

The logic behind what I said is this. I'm really not retalling a wall of grabs. I'm retalling individuals. And if I make them pay for grabbing me, that's prolly one guy that doesn't grab me again, or grabs me less.

Now multiply that by every individual that grabbed me. It's not just faceless countries I'm retalling. It's real people that think it sucks when they lose more land than they gained for hitting someone.

It's like poker in a way. I'm not playing the country, I'm playing the person behind the country.

If someone even double tapped me, it would be a reset long war. Certianly only an idiot or n00b would expect to get away with a triple tap.

That's just dumb. That said, people have friends and connections. My advice? Don't take fluff. Punish people when they misbehave.

Waldo's heart is pretty much always in the right place. He just strays from our world.

It's the whole Alien Abduction thing.

Again, I have to emphasize that history between your clans is not my field of expertise.

NBK may well be the dirtiest bunch of SOB"s that played FFA ever. Or maybe they are not. That's all irrelevant to my point.

I'm certainly not "taking sides" in a fight here. I'm just simply saying that for better or worse, your decision to war them could cause unexpected things to happen.

Even if NBK is the dirtiest bunch of punks ever, and I have no way of knowing if they are, how they defend themselves and counterattack isn't for you to judge.

Your job isn't to come to FFAt and cry about some clever or sneaky tactic NBK decides to use. YOUR job is to wipe them out and make their tactics irrelevant.

Just some observations from the Cheap Seats. Good luck to you.

"Never trust the markets or assume you can use them to your advantage unless you control them." - Dragon 2002

Yeah, I know. The question was rhetorical in nature. To put it into clear terms though, what I was getting at is that the aggressor really can't cry about how their opponent defends itself.

What NBK does or does not do isn't dictated by what AoDT wants them to do. It's an adaptive result of AoDT opening hostilities against them. Consequences of actions.

I mean, I don't have a dog in the fight, but certainly you can't expect a clan you outnumbered and FS'd basically without warning to just lay down and die for you.

I don't know what the history (what little there could be) between your clans is, but from an "outsider's" POV, it's pretty hard to sympathize with you just because NBK is thinking outside the box.

You're just mad cause I didn't concede the FFA netting challenge cause you said we didn't need to do it as you would be the winner.


Hater Boi! Closet LaE Member!

Who declared war on whom?


Gotta ask the question.

It's not at all like the Alliance server Rico, because for one thing, it's not about 10 heavily pacted clans vs. the rest of the server.

What it's about is 5 or 10 or 50 non-aligned players playing one country to the best of their ability. I saw a comment about doing this in Primary and that isn't a bad idea.

My thought about doing it in FFA was that if every competitor was in one tag, it would be far easier to keep track of.

Anyways, it's just an idea to add another dimension to the game.

I'd like to put together a little competition for next reset. I'd like to see who's really the best pound-for-pound netgainer in the game.

Of course, that comes with rules. No self-farming mostly. This wouldn't be about who can be #1 at the end of the reset by managing a million acres worth of landfarms.

This would be purely about people who used their skills to get the highest networth either through grabs for acres or exploring for them.

The "winner" may or may not end up in the top 100 but we'd find out who can play and who can't. I'm betting from looking at people's news that nobody out there would have the stones to actually join the competition. I see a lot of the high networth countries simply being there because they self-farm.

INnlight of that, I would propose that every participant tag up one country in a "Competition Tag" that gets no aid from other accounts in or out of the tags that the player belongs to or his other countries. Of course, I would ask that clans put this tag on DNH status. However, I would expect that accepted retal policies be enforced to prevent the tag's members from being Bad Kids.

Just a little Mano y Mano between buds to see who really has it and who doesn't.

I don't think anyone "wants" you but I think there's still an open spot on OG's roster. ;)

I have a hard time understanding why people that hate him insist on keeping him famous.

I mean, he appears to be the biggest self-righteous, know-it-all gas bag that FFA has ever seen since some ass named Dragon quit playing. So why in God's name keep talking about him?

I read some of his fluff. And that's what it pretty much was. fluff. Know-It-All blabber from someone with a penis twelve times smaller than his mouth. And a brain about half THAT size.

So let it go already.

I ain't got no steenkin' packs.


First, you gotta be careful (and choosy) about whom you pact and at what level.

Back in the day, ESD didn't pact very much; pacts reduce grab targets/retal acres. But when I/we did, we usually went with FDP's, and we only carried 2 or 3 of those.

An FDP is just that, IMO. If you're called on, you war. Note I didn't say that you immediately jump in.

If things got testy between us and another clan, we might issue a DNH till things cooled off.

I always liked the KISS principal when it came to pacts. Keep It Simple Stupid.

Back in the day, we didn't need a pact with, say, MIA (although before the end of Mehul's FFA ESD and MIA DID pact) to not hit them or to not hit them often. You knew they were gonna retal you, so you looked for softer targets.

Now I know what you're thinking. "Yeah, Dragon, but we're really not discussing tree huggers and who they love on."

Nor am I. If you pact up too much, you inevitably end up in dilemmas like uNAP vs. FDP and such.

ANY pact is "breakable". If I make Teh UB3R 4LLY pacy with Clan X and they run off doing stupid or fluffish things, then they don't deserve a pact. Unless of course, I'm into stupid and fluffish things myself.

We make pacts basically for two reasons, and IMO, only one of those reasons is a good one.

Those being:

1. Protecting our netters from being grabbed. Gotta tell you. This is weaksauce. Let those mothers learn how to retal because in the end, good retallers will do good things for the clan's NW. And good retallers make for better killers.

It would mean far more to me as a Clan Leader and a player to be listed as Will Retal on every other clan's site then have to beg them not to grab me. Asking for those kinds of pacts is a show of weakness.

2. Mutual Security between us and our friends. The nature of the game as it is dictates that a clan could be a one man band like ESD or have 500 countries like AoDT or LaE or whoever. We all know people gravitate to success and their belief that there is safety in numbers.

That being the reality, smaller clans might FDP each other to even the playing field. Or try to.

All that to say that in Dragonland, there's really only one pact and that's an FDP. All else is determined by war, trial, respect or just plain common sense. And of course, the (temporary) DNH

Liq and Bad Dana were the first two guys I really got to know when I first started playing Earth.

Liq gave me some countries (big Rep Cashers) and briefly explained how to play them right before he went to the slammer. I mean, like the night before.

I thought that was so cool. The kid screwed up and all but his thoughts were all about others and not himself. I knew he'd be okay.

Christ, Liq. Run.


I came back after like 6 years and made a post or two. Just a post or two to say hey to some peeps and move along. Great idea except I didn't move along.

Of course I keep telling myself I'm only playing one set. And making a post or two.

How the hell are yo, kid? Oh wait. You're really not a kid anymore. You're prolly like almost 30 and stuff.

I likes it.

LMAO!

I guess him and Pol play WoW. Can you imagine him on Vent or Teamspeak getting on one of those rants?