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Jun 23rd 2015, 11:07:41

After reflecting on last night's joke-of-a-"Declaration of War" and the subsequent conversation that followed, I decided on an appropriate response. And there you have it, DrunkSEX. There's my response.

For those who can't see it, I just spent 40+ turns doing nothing but diffusing missiles in all of DrunkSEX's countries. Part of it was to maybe increase what's left of our team's chances of making it to the end of the reset. The other part is so, at the very least, when they are done bullying us, they can't ship those missiles in anyone else's direction.

Maybe I'll see you guys next reset here it team. But it's not looking good.

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Jun 23rd 2015, 10:57:27

Originally posted by id1028s:
Originally posted by Brigg:
Originally posted by Raging Budda:
Oldies did nothing against DrunkSex. Again, WE ARE A WAR TAG. If you aren't netting in our opinion and dont' have a pact, we are subject to be a target. We don't net and will never will.

Come after us, we welcome it.


I don't want to come after you. That's not the reason I'm playing.

Good night, all.
To be fair though... you were doing those ops on random people in other servers... so... no point trying to walk the high road here. Ya ain't exactly what I'd call a saint either lol. A netter doesn't go around screwing other people's sets either.


This is very true, and I don't deny it.

Like an excited child, I was pushing all the pretty buttons that gave me free stuff with no consequence as long as I didn't get caught. I'm in no way, shape, or form guiltless. However, now that I've learned that overusing it on unprovoked targets is more of a no-no than I thought, I'm more than willing to apologize for my behavior, move on, and allow us all to enjoy the game a little better.

I guess every story needs its villains. Who would have thought that the villains aren't from the "Villainz" tag?

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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:43:13

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
Oldies did nothing against DrunkSex. Again, WE ARE A WAR TAG. If you aren't netting in our opinion and dont' have a pact, we are subject to be a target. We don't net and will never will.

Come after us, we welcome it.


I don't want to come after you. That's not the reason I'm playing.

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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:35:20

Ten Sectors of Eden. Still standing for now. I didn't op DrunkSEX either. I was told to not op any tagged players after that little oopsie with Elders.

At least Elders understood it was a mistake, and that I was still new.
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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:32:20

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
should have said 3 months, not a year. Warred every set since we stared and will continue to do so.


While I would love to sit here and continue trying to, essentially, justify ruining the fun for the newer players, I've got to be up at 4:30 am tomorrow, and it's currently 11:30 pm.

I suppose I should just not bother signing into team tomorrow morning. More than likely won't have a country to play.
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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:28:20

Originally posted by Colo:
What the flippity-floobity-bippity-bop is a land grab?


Someone with 350 posts on the forums should know what a land-grab is by now.
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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:24:09

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
That was really naive. Has no one in the tag beena around the past year?


That would be an almost-guaranteed no. Almost...not sure
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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:19:00

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
The most stock any of tag oldies had was less than 900 mil cash. 2 or more of the tag had >50 missiles per country...one had a tyranny gov't. This tag wasn't a netting tag.

Thanks for coming back into the game, we need people, but instead of just outright quitting, find some good company that don't have crap war builds. There are plenty of obvious neeting tags on the alliance server, and a few here on team which won't draw our attention.


Regardless of our countries' makeups, not a single one of us was considering using any of our arms against anyone. We were just playing the game and soaking in the memories.

I even alerted the whole team when Seize the Beer failed spying me, and I asked them what to do. And everyone was like, "Meh, whatever. They're not bothering us. They're probably just poking around looking for a quick land grab poke. Let them be." (Paraphrasing, of course)
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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:11:44

Originally posted by id1028s:
Thats what I discussed earlier about these so called 'clan wars'. They are never a fair fight. Its 99.99999% justa slaughter and cheap low blow. Mixed with the fact they often pick on netting clans and those without any coordination (e.g. teams that set up INSIDE the game and not people who are in the same group every set for years). Its just lame. Oh and they pick on people just playing to net. The team server is worse than the wild west. At least in the wild west they still had sheriffs in town and fed backup. There is lawlessness here. Just nonstop warring. Any and every reason. THis si also why this server has the least amount of players. And it is about to get even less.


It's looking that way. I'm now strongly reconsidering playing this server in the next reset.

I know I was being a little out-of-control with all the random spy ops and all the shiny new buttons that do things when I press them. But I think I'm past the "Oh, it's new again" phase. And now I can just sit back and play the game a little more conservatively now.

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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:05:18

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
Maybe in team with such small #s, a war dec needs to posted a signifcant amount of time before a FS is started. However, you don't exactly what you are up against until you start opping countries. In gathering all the info, you will likely fail a couple of them, likely alerting your target.

So I don't know the best way to acheive a fairly even war. Entirely possible for a can to declare war with notice, op and figure out they have bitten off FAR more they can handle.

Once again, DrunkSex is a war tag. We try to avoid hitting obvious netting tags (made one mistake) so when we see tags with non-netting gov'ts and 60 missiles in more than 1 country, you will likely fall in our target scope. I get no kicks out of simple slaughters, but that is a YOU, random non-netting tag, problem, not a DrunkSex problem.


Did you think maybe the reason we are not "netting" countries or "warring" countries is because we're doing this is a recreational distraction? At least that's what I'm doing. It's my first time playing in 16 years, after all. And from what people have seen of my "Performance", there's still a lot I have to learn about this game and the community that plays it.

I was getting good vibes about the community, too. Seemed like a great group of reasonable, fun-loving people...

...until this happened, of course.
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Jun 23rd 2015, 3:00:09

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Jun 23rd 2015, 2:39:23

I like how they're all like, "Prepare for war! Rawr!"

And then kill 2 of our countries before either of them get a chance to see the message and respond.

That's totally fair and awesome![/obvioussarcasm]
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Jun 23rd 2015, 0:44:21

Wait, what? Why war declared? Did we do something to you?

And I'm still learning the lingo around here. What's FS?

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Jun 22nd 2015, 19:25:48

He can still PM using the forum's PM system.
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Jun 22nd 2015, 11:08:24

Edited post. Nevermind...
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Jun 22nd 2015, 10:57:54

Bone-us
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Jun 21st 2015, 22:46:21

Originally posted by Link:
EVERY TAG WITH 3 OR LESS PEOPLE IS NOW AT WAR WITH ELDERS!!!!!!

or should be.. because Elders is at war with them.


Even Country #44? (He's currently 2nd place at time of posting. And his country is looking pretty beefy <.<)
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Jun 21st 2015, 22:21:44

Don't need to read!? Poppyfluff!
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Jun 21st 2015, 22:14:50

It just...looks like....

Diddy Kong: *Boop*
Red Rocket: *Boops back!* "Stahp!"
Diddy Kong: *Boops again*
Red Rocket: IMMA FIRIN MAH LAAAZZAAARRRR!!! BBBLLLLAAARRGGGHHHHHH!
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Jun 21st 2015, 4:45:37

Originally posted by elvesrus:
hey brigg, send some my way ;)


I'll think about it lol ^.~*
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Jun 21st 2015, 3:53:43

Originally posted by and1me2i3:
people in game b , wanna all do a LG on #32?


Won't hold it against anyone. Not going to sit here and pretend like I don't deserve it. ^.^

Originally posted by id1028s:
The option is there for you to use. But it is again ineffective. There is a reason why the countries you are stealing from are bigger than you and has more tech than you, even as both of you started the same. Maybe you should get to the root of the problem. Its probably your inadequate style of play and their superior style that made then better in the first place. So instead of being a thief, it might make sense to try to be a king.

So again, if you're doing to troll thats fine. But if you're doing it because you think it gets you ahead, well you need more soul searching here. No country ever makes top 10 being a tech thief. Most people that make top 10 buy or research their own. Not only is it more targeted and tailored/effective for your strategy, because you are getting what you need at that point in time, while stealing of the type and amount of tech is random, but you also tend to get much more tech. And in the process you don't go around making random enemies.


This is pretty much the conclusion I came to that resulted in me posting this:

Originally posted by Brigg:
And I'm seeing now that trying to solo-country this strategy in Tournament is a diluted pipe-dream that will never in a million years work me to first place.


We're thinking the same thing, just wording it differently. Matter of fact, the current game of express I'm in is proving to me that the farmer approach looks more and more appealing to try here in tournament. Might add my own little spin to it because that's just the way I am, but at least it doesn't involve spies, stealing, or bioterrorism. >.>
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Jun 20th 2015, 11:51:32

Originally posted by id1028s:
That isn't a working strategy at all. If you're doing it to troll, fine. That reason has merits. But if you really think that is a good strategy, well its not. All you do is piss people off and potentially get a KR on you. You'd be better off dropping the spies and just upgrading your army and economy and using your turns getting research instead of trying to take it from others. Its more efficient, effective and less likely to get into trouble. You are bound to fail an op. Its not like you're invincible, even if you are 100% spies. And if you are then you are an easy retal/land grab. If they can't spy you to get your defense info, because your spy count is so high, well its easy enough to figure what they need to break you based on your networth anyway. Which means you'd be farmed and then dispatched. Failed strategy to try to win like that.

Look at all the countries you tried to steal from. I bet they are all multiple times your country's networth. Ask yourself why that is.


I agree, This is not a working strategy for a lone country on servers where you don't have teams, clans, or allies. And yes, it's definitely not a winning strategy. And I'm seeing now that trying to solo-country this strategy in Tournament is a diluted pipe-dream that will never in a million years work me to first place. But never did I once think I was invincible. My memory isn't THAT bad. The only reason I started using it here first was because tournament was the closest fresh reset at the time I wanted to try it from a fresh start to see how it could keep up.

This country build is ultimately not about networth or winning. Something like this is best suited for team play, where someone with high spy count can soften up targets before the allies sweep in for the kill on designated targets. This way, the allies can focus on having a beefed-up military for the strikes, and I can just tweak the odds from the shadows.

But in order for me to try to enact this strategy for future teams:

1. I have to learn how to use it. (All over again, in this case. Which is why I'm being so active with it right now.)
2. I have to once again recognize it's strengths and weaknesses.
3. I just need to have a better overall understanding of this game and its community. (Been playing for only 3 weeks after a 16-year hiatus. Gotta learn.)

Like I said, this country build won't see the light of say on solo servers from here on out. It just won't work that way because there's no team to assist. And even on the team servers, I'll be using this very sparingly, and only on designated targets. Now that I'm confident I have a feel for it again, I can scale back being so "Aggressive" with it.
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Jun 20th 2015, 4:11:46

Originally posted by stanrools:
its the same thing as what you did with bio terrisum don't get caught and you can get away with what ever you want. if you do get caught by one person Im sure imminently their will be a can a woppass coming your countries way. Plus every time people start getting spyed like this we will assume its you so you will have to change your country name ever set.


I was thinking the same thing about the changing of the country's name. But I more than likely will not try this strategy again in Tournament. The 25 Spy Op per day limit makes things kind of restrictive. And it actually factored into the reason I got caught. I didn't refresh my spy information and just went with the day old stuff so I wouldn't waste the limited number of ops.

And yes, wherever I attempt this, I know that there will be cans of whoop-ass on wholesale if I get caught. ^.^
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Jun 20th 2015, 4:01:04

Oh wow...just noticing this thread.

Yeah, I have been informed that that my actions in this regard were a big no-no. "Blissfully unaware" is pretty much hitting it right on the head. I will try to pay more attention to who is at war with who and all. Been back into this game for less than three weeks, and still getting the hang of the etiquette and rules and all x.x

Sorry sorry sorry. <.< Very very sorry!

Now I just wish I had noticed it BEFORE spending my turns. Well, lesson learned: Read forums BEFORE playing.
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Jun 20th 2015, 3:22:31

Interesting. *Learning*

So would you say, if I were to continue crafting the finer points of this strategy, that I would want to limit my thefts to as sparingly as one would limit his or her land grabs? As in doing it no more than once or twice to any one country?

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Jun 19th 2015, 23:31:04

Originally posted by id1028s:
Stealing tech is aggressive. To me its on the same level as a land grab if only slightly below it.


Really!? Oh wow.

I mean, I was under the impression that it's not nearly as bad as an out-and-out land grab. You're only stealing Tech, Bushels, or Money one at a time. You're not Taking land, destroying/taking buildings, taking Bushels, taking Money, taking tech, AND killing thousands of military units at once.

However, you did say "To me, it's on the same level..." So I'm pretty sure individual opinions may vary. ^.^
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Jun 19th 2015, 18:53:54

Originally posted by id1028s:
I don't think it was ever hard. I've played earth 2025 many many years ago and stopped playing for a while and started again recently. But either way, it was pretty harmless in general and has been this way since forever. A few turns spent later, often one turn later, and its all over. And if you have residential zones, which most cashers or techers would have, immediately the later turns will have massive gains in population to make up for it due to the residential. So really it does nothing. Especially so large countries with a few hundred thousand population already.


It took me 11 turns to recover from 1 plague just today...Someone retalled me with a taste of my own medicine. ^.^!!

I'm finding the thief approach working, though. Instead of poisoning people, just steal from them <.<

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Jun 19th 2015, 11:08:42

Originally posted by id1028s:
lol. i was wondering who it was. are you doing this in other servers also? because I got the same thing happening in other servers.

And like stanrools said, it didn't really do anything. It was just plain trolling. I've bad that thing cured in one move every time. So it didn't really do anything at all. That's why you're very low priority on my list right now lol.


Heehee, I recalled Bioterrorism being much harder to shake. I guess it's one of the changes to it. And I didn't really MEAN for it to come off as "Trolling".

Right now, over in Express, I'm trying to craft a "Thief" country. I only use the spy powers to steal Money, Bushels, and Tech while keeping most of my lands as Industrial Complexes. This way, I'm building a good military while still being able the "Research tech", "Make Money", and "Grow Food". Even though I'm not big on Free For All, I made a country at the start of the reset with this idea. The core concept seems to be working on both servers. I know over in FFA, I'm "Teching" 2000+ points a turn without a single research lab within my borders. Then I sell the Tech on the Market. ??? PROFIT!!!
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Jun 19th 2015, 3:27:28

Originally posted by stanrools:
You must have had a very high spal!.


On the game's outset, I made my industrial Production 90/2/2/2/4, And kept it that way for the first 10 days. I had 600,000+ spies at one point. Had to sell some off as expenses piled up.
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Jun 19th 2015, 3:24:39

Originally posted by Jayr:
Thanks for the entertainment, it was quite odd...have a good reset bud

P.S.

Im gnna get all ur lands.


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Jun 19th 2015, 2:59:29

Originally posted by id1028s:
I'm going by a detective's instincts here but I bet its Brigg. Like a little sociopath he trolls people and tries to get people to talk about it.


The jig is up, the news is out, they've finally found me! However, you're half-right about this, sir. Permit me to explain:

Before I do, though, I want to sincerely apologize to everyone whom I've annoyed and/or inconvenienced by my "Strategy". And from here on out, you all can have the assurance that I won't commit to these methods of play from here on out. At least not here in Tournament.

Moving on: There were four key reasons why I chose to perform this way for this reset:

1. It feels like I'm new to the game all over again, and I wanted to get a new feel for the spy-op system - This here, was the biggest reason. Back in the old "Earth: 2025" days, I was always helping out my teammates with spies, assisting from the shadows. I wanted to see if I could create my old country build over again. I jumped in late in the Primary server, the Team and Alliance server games were near the end, and I'm not big on the Free For All. So I wound up trying the old strategy in Express. It took me some time to notice it, but the way spies work has changed from then and now, and I found myself failing ops and getting retalled for it. I needed to start over, and a fresh new game of "Tournament" was the next-closest place to start.

2. Since I'm alone on the Tourney Server, I needed to find a way to divert attention from myself as the suspect: The purpose of creating this thread and getting people to talk about it was a risky attempt to draw attention away from my country as a possible suspect. I needed to find a "Fall Guy". When earlier posts in this thread, along with quite a few messages I exchanged in-game, began to show that the finger was being pointed at someone else, I was able to breathe a little easier. Acting innocent via in-game messaging, as Stanrools has pointed out, played a much bigger part in maintaining the halo above my head. The misdirection and subterfuge created that temporary shield I needed.

3. To the best of my memory, Bioterrorism was pretty effective in slowing the growth of other countries' NetWorth: There WAS a bit of competitive spark in choosing to do this strategy. If I slow down the other countries, it makes it easier for me to dash ahead. Unfortunately, wiping the dust off my brain-archived copy of "How to jack up your Net Worth is Earth: 2025" was the step I failed to take as I became more focused on continuing to feel out the spy system.

4. Ultimately, I wanted to get a feel for the people I'm playing with: At the end of the day, we are here to have fun and play a game. And it's just my opinion that no one strategy is the "Right" strategy; you do what works for you! And the game is flexible enough for you to experiment to your heart's content. That's what makes this game so fun! Also, I knew from the outset that if I DID get found out, I could probably expect my country to get all of the blow-up. And you know what? That's okay! I can already feel that I'm really going to enjoy playing with you guys for many resets to come. ^.^!!

Now that the cat's out of the bag, I humbly expect and accept any retaliation for my actions. And next reset, (Unless some smart-aleck tries to frame me ^.~*) You all won't have to be concerned about randomly getting the plague. I'll probably try farmer next reset anyway.

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Jun 18th 2015, 18:43:17

IIIIIII
AAAAMMMMMMMMMM
WWWAAATTTCCCHHHIIINNGGGGGGG
YYYYOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU
PPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

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Jun 18th 2015, 11:19:19

He had to have failed on SOMEBODY by now...
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Jun 17th 2015, 13:24:18

I sign in and I see three dead countries with the same clan tag.

Then I check the news.

*Runs and hides*
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Jun 17th 2015, 12:55:32

Do people still do this?

You lose the start-of-game protection after 100 turns used, right?

So If you only use 99 turns, then wait until you store up 360+ turns, then spend those turns all in one focused sitting, you go from fledgling nation to optimal beefyness with the most minimal risk of trolls and early attacks disrupting you. I used to do this way back then, and giving it a try this time around as well. Anyone else do this?
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Jun 17th 2015, 1:46:11

Oh haha. Okay, I was thinking he went to town on you or something.

I got poisoned again today. What the frack is this guys spy:acre ratio!?!?!
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Jun 16th 2015, 23:18:00

What's a dinosaur to do when there's kids on the ice?
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Jun 16th 2015, 22:42:04

Originally posted by Jayr:
Im HOPING AND PRAYING this douchebag fails on me...its gnna be fun.


Wow. o.o! What did he do to you?
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Jun 16th 2015, 18:48:47

All right. I understand.

Although, I don't think I want to act rashly on any suspicions, regardless of how strong said suspicion is...Just in case. I'm still getting the feel for the game again, and the few times I've grabbed at people in other games, I got retalled kinda hard. But it's cool; it's all part of the game. ^.^

Still patiently waiting to see the failed op...
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Jun 16th 2015, 16:12:19

Would it be safe to assume he/she is either playing a Communism or a Dictatorship? With Dictatorship getting a bonus to spy effectiveness, and Communism getting Indy and (Spy)Tech effectiveness boosts...

Just a guess...Any opinions?

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Jun 16th 2015, 3:06:22

Originally posted by Rocker:
They have not hit me in about a week. :( Starting to feel left out here.


I'm thinking the Required GDI is preventing him from getting to you. He's got to be somewhere in the top 20, if not top 30...

That's right, "Mr./Mrs. Spy-ops are fun". We're waiting...watching...with bated breath...for you to fail one op on us...>.> Don't slip up now...Your country may depend on it.
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Jun 16th 2015, 2:00:46

Stand corrected...got another couple of my missiles diffused...>.<

Not sure what to think now....
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Jun 15th 2015, 14:51:21

I'm thinking it's a person. Either that or some bot country strategy <.< But that's unlikely, I'm guessing.

I haven't been hit by this dude/dudette since I dropped from the top 10. You guys still having problems, though? Hmm....
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Jun 8th 2015, 18:44:46

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Jun 8th 2015, 3:32:07

Originally posted by stanrools:
unfortunately this is a solo server and I think doing so would be against the rules Brigg. He himself would have to man up.


Ah! I get it. Okay. ^.^

I guess I just wait for him to fail an op on me. haha.
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Jun 8th 2015, 2:17:06

Originally posted by archaic:
sounds like theyre not all that random


It only seems "Random" to me because I've done nothing to provoke anyone. I'm jumping back into this game for the first time in 16 years, and I'm not out to tick anyone off...

...yet. ^.^

But yeah, if anyone can clue me in on who this guy is, that'd be cool.
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