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Chevs

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Mar 28th 2019, 15:39:47

how does these massive restarts working? do you get to keep some of your country? how does it work? formulas?

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Sov

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Mar 28th 2019, 15:46:04

Base percentage is 20% of techs, military, goods and land is kept, with the addition of 0.06% per defend of that country.

- The percentage of goods ON MARKET that are kept will be calculated separately with a base of 50% + 0.06% per defend.

So basically if you had 1bil cash on hand and you died after 250 attacks you would retain (20% base + 15% defends bonus @ 250 x .06) 35% so 350mil cash. However if you stocked 1bil cash worth of bushels and put them on the market you would retain 65% (50% base and 15% defends bonus) which is 650mil cash.

If a waller has 500 defends they would retain 80% (50% base and 30% defends bonus) of everything on the market. If that is 1bil cash worth of bushels you would be left with 800mil cash worth of bushels.

Chevs

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Mar 28th 2019, 15:49:53

oh...so whats the point of killing people then?

just to get rid of 20% of their stock?

interesting change...sounds like something a pansy netter...

... in LaF cough dave cough would implement

lol

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Chevs

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Mar 28th 2019, 15:50:07

SHOTS FIRED

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Sov

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Mar 28th 2019, 16:41:26

Originally posted by Chevs:

oh...so whats the point of killing people then?

just to get rid of 20% of their stock?

interesting change...sounds like something a pansy netter...

... in LaF cough dave cough would implement

lol

You were active when the change was introduced!! :p

Do you know why you didn’t notice it? Because it was introduced at a time when almost all wars were early wars so no one had any stock or massive countries lol.

This is why now the benchmark for a victory is usually based around the tagkill.

I think it’s still good because it keeps wars closer for longer. Also gives the losing side an opportunity to turn a war around easier through good restart management. Also means war leaders need to employ more tactics to adapt.

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Mar 28th 2019, 16:47:05

Originally posted by Chevs:

how does these massive restarts working? do you get to keep some of your country? how does it work? formulas?

Is SOL not teaching you anything Chevs?

https://gyazo.com/...b3bb28dddf908cdbcfd162513

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Mar 28th 2019, 16:48:06

Originally posted by Chevs:

oh...so whats the point of killing people then?

just to get rid of 20% of their stock?

interesting change...sounds like something a pansy netter...

... in LaF cough dave cough would implement

lol

Nah an alliance like LaF is against it. The suiciders restart with much bigger countries. almost pointless to kill them as after 15 turns they can just hit again.

Don of LaF

Mister Ed

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Mar 28th 2019, 17:05:39

My country once got killed. I had about 160% in agriculture tech. When I restarted I had over 200% how did that happen?

Gerdler

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Mar 28th 2019, 20:02:39

LaF, of all alliances, is hurt most by those restart mechanics and I have lobbied for either reducing them or at least making the second restart start from 0. Such a change would make war more interesting in that you can elect to kill restarts before originals to kill more resources, and ofc we will get to kill suiciders only twice per country.

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Mar 28th 2019, 20:05:27

Originally posted by Chevs:

oh...so whats the point of killing people then?

just to get rid of 20% of their stock?

interesting change...sounds like something a pansy netter...

... in LaF cough dave cough would implement

lol

Thank you, that's why I refuse to war anymore except express where death still means detah.

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Mar 29th 2019, 1:54:58

as laf my position is restart bonuses should start out high and decrease the more defends you take

to achieve helping people who get blindsided rather than those who already expend all their resources walling

sinistril

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Mar 29th 2019, 3:09:32

I'm pretty sure almost no one is for it. It's a stupid system

If you give a man some fire, he'll be warm for awhile. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

derptron

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Mar 29th 2019, 4:03:14

Originally posted by Mister Ed:

My country once got killed. I had about 160% in agriculture tech. When I restarted I had over 200% how did that happen?

Tech required to achieve a percent is relative to current acreage?

Lord Tarnava

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Mar 29th 2019, 5:46:40

restarts can be breaking the next day, lol

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Mar 29th 2019, 6:41:36

Originally posted by sinistril:

I'm pretty sure almost no one is for it. It's a stupid system

Suiciders are the biggest benefactors :-(

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Mar 29th 2019, 11:23:02

There are both pros and cons.

Alliance is a long set., if you make it not worth coming back., then people find other things to do & never come back.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

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Mar 29th 2019, 14:11:25

The restart bonuses breaking war is why i dont play alliance consistently anymore.

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Requiem

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Mar 29th 2019, 14:26:51

Originally posted by Celphi:

There are both pros and cons.

Alliance is a long set., if you make it not worth coming back., then people find other things to do & never come back.

Agreed. That is why I like the after your second death you start over. Also don’t forget these restart changes take away some strategy in war: FAing restarts.

Buch

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Mar 29th 2019, 14:51:38

Fa me requeim

Requiem

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Mar 29th 2019, 15:32:54

Its in the mail.

Buch

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Mar 29th 2019, 20:06:53

Dirty laf scum probably forgot the stamp

Karnage XZ

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Mar 30th 2019, 20:19:19

I was 42m nw when attacked died at 33m nw and restarted at 12m nw. I was 40k land and restarted at 14k. Didn't stonewall at all. Died with 1.5b cash and restarted 550m cash. I had 7 to 8m tech and restarted with 3m tech. So basically if you dont wall. You can still restart with a third of your resources.

Do as I say, not as I do.

Gerdler

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Mar 30th 2019, 23:32:25

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

The restart bonuses breaking war is why i dont play alliance consistently anymore.

I thought you were SOLs FA type person? I always send everyone to you!

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Mar 30th 2019, 23:59:48

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

The restart bonuses breaking war is why i dont play alliance consistently anymore.

If most people support a reduction or elimination lets change it!

DruncK

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Mar 31st 2019, 2:26:30

Originally posted by Requiem:

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

The restart bonuses breaking war is why i dont play alliance consistently anymore.

If most people support a reduction or elimination lets change it!

Gerdler

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Mar 31st 2019, 2:33:41

Thats absurd. That would be almost as likely as fixing the allied turret loss bug in the attack message that people have been screaming for 8 years over.

bug03

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Mar 31st 2019, 2:36:10

Originally posted by Karnage XZ:

Same almost exactly, and I had 300m bushels on the market.

DerrickICN

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Mar 31st 2019, 2:53:36

Some even believe its closer to 40%!

Sov

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Mar 31st 2019, 9:56:18

Originally posted by Requiem:

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

The restart bonuses breaking war is why i dont play alliance consistently anymore.

If most people support a reduction or elimination lets change it!

I think most warrers like it. It is mainly netters who do not. The change was implemented in 2012 and since then there have been lots of close epic wars.

Without the restart bonuses wars would be decided far quicker, especially when one side starts to gain an upper hand it would be a lot harder to turn it around.

The closest and longest war in EE history was SoF vs MD during MD’s 75th set. Without restart bonuses SoF would have ended that war far sooner and it would not have been the amazing 5 week arm wrestle it was (though FA and a stocked tagjumper to MD also drew the war out longer as well).

trumpoz

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Mar 31st 2019, 10:58:14

Its a balance..... reduce the restart bonus and the FS becomes even more powerful, early reset wars are basically a yawn-fest and there is less chance of an alliance coming back to level and possibly win a war from being behind. Leave the restart bonus as is and a player can quietly build a 15k techer in a 1 man tag, stock for 3 weeks, farm an alliance and have enough stock, land and tech to be killed to at least the 3rd or 4th country before the amount of damage done is significantly reduced. Should this person target a small netting alliance their reset is completely screwed. This in itself shows how absurd the restart bonus is.

Warriors like the bonus as it makes wars more interesting. Netters think it is overpowered as a single suicider can do significant damage even after being killed two or 3 times.

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Apr 1st 2019, 2:41:44

It also means any war that lasts long enough ends in a draw.

I think the most sensible thing is to explore a reduction or like gerd said a two deaths you’re out feature, that actually sounds more interesting as killing restarts would be more of a strategy in and of itself.

Edited By: Requiem on Apr 1st 2019, 2:45:17

sinistril

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Apr 1st 2019, 3:35:30

Originally posted by trumpoz:

I have literally never netted on alliance. War every set I play, and think the bonus is the most retarded thing ever. I know many warrers that agree with me, and Sov is the first one I've seen that has spoken in favor of it. It makes wars boring af imo.

If you give a man some fire, he'll be warm for awhile. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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Apr 1st 2019, 14:58:13

Yeah I 100% agree with sin. The restart bonus is effing dumb. Its basically just there for competitive balance for a side receiving an FS so they just dont roll over and quit. Thats the only benefit. They still lose they just lose slower.

The only times ive heard positive things about it is when like netters get fsed and it allows them to come back and win with their market stock. Never really heard a wardog speak positively about it aside from sov.

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Apr 1st 2019, 15:04:40

Good wardogs burn out their whole restart walling. Lol. Most of us would have better countries if we didn't wall. And walling is a favorite part of warring.

Gerdler

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Apr 1st 2019, 16:03:24

There are plenty of ways to make FS less powerful. You can even have declare war between alliances as a game feature and make any of restrictions on it if its one-sided.

LittleItaly

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Apr 1st 2019, 17:02:02

I get no joy over killing countries anymore. You also can not farm restarts to war gain bc they are too big (eliminating that strat)

Heres a thread on dev board about nerfing it: https://www.earthempires.com/...onuses-45157?t=1545147556

Here is dec war option Gerdler is talking about too: https://www.earthempires.com/...alties-44496?t=1517071938

Some other ideas: https://www.earthempires.com/...acting-45200?t=1528574986

Edited By: LittleItaly on Apr 1st 2019, 17:20:28

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Requiem

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Apr 1st 2019, 19:07:33

LI: I didnt read but is the "after your 2nd death you start at 0" on there?

Chevs

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Apr 1st 2019, 20:51:28

somone in the SoL war room the other day was online while getting hit.

"instead of walling they said, nah ill just run all my turns and put everything on the market"

how can this possibly be balanced / not broken if that is the optimal strategy?

the reason i said netters probably like it is because if you have an insanely stocked amazing country only to die to a massive chem rush in the FS, youre more likely to be a crybaby about it if youre a pansy netter

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Requiem

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Apr 1st 2019, 21:26:45

Did you even read the above posts? Literally every netter spoke against it. Matter of fact only one supporting it is a war person not netter.

Also I didnt die to a chem rush!

Edited By: Requiem on Apr 1st 2019, 21:28:55

Gerdler

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Apr 1st 2019, 21:57:36

Chevs you need to wake up from your dream. All netters are against the current restart mechanics and mainly a few war tag players are for it (although most of them also seem to be against it).

Your member should have walled ofc. He did not play with the optimal strategy. He might get a bigger restart that way but if he had taken another 200-300 hits to kill he would have saved another tag-mate from being killed. You gotta think of war on the alliance server from an alliance wide perspective and not an individual perspective.

If you just wanna call us names that's fine but most of those pansy netters can kick heiney at war too but choose not to most of the time. It's very important that the game contains both "pansy netters" and (pansy?) warriors, like yourself. It works to stabilize the market every time laf/monsters/PS/omega nets and the warring tags war.

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Apr 1st 2019, 22:30:08

I said it before and I'll say it again, the only winners with the current restart bonus is the suiciders.

LittleItaly

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Apr 2nd 2019, 1:45:26

Originally posted by Requiem:

LI: I didnt read but is the "after your 2nd death you start at 0" on there?

I dont think its in those threads i linked, but I know its been said somewhere before, and maybe even suggested by me too? Lol. There are a ton of threads against the restart bonus so I cant find them all.

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TeckMing

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Apr 2nd 2019, 2:14:36

Bonus

Chevs

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Apr 2nd 2019, 12:43:06

Originally posted by Gerdler:

"He" ?

Did you just assume their gender U BIGOT?

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En4cer: Chevs... u would have beaten me by more than 100m

Chevs

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Apr 2nd 2019, 12:48:48

sick and tired of these rayciss white males

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En4cer: Chevs... u would have beaten me by more than 100m

Gerdler

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Apr 2nd 2019, 20:03:22

Instead of being a pansy you should thank me for teaching you how to war.

Chevs

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Apr 2nd 2019, 20:16:43

stop micro aggressing me!!!

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En4cer: Chevs... u would have beaten me by more than 100m

Requiem

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Apr 2nd 2019, 20:19:51

Up Next we’ll teach him how to wall!

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Apr 2nd 2019, 20:28:06

Lol. He'd teach him to wall if they could ever break him. Doubt they even try lemmings. I guess they out-pansied the pansies.

Edited By: DerrickICN on Apr 2nd 2019, 20:30:08
See Original Post

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Apr 2nd 2019, 22:26:34

Originally posted by Gerdler:

Instead of being a pansy you should thank me for teaching you how to war.

Want me to teach you how to duckie?