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Celphi

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:26:35

You're examining demos the wrong way. You don't use all your turns to trade attacks.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:26:48

[ double post ]

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:26:55

Originally posted by Celphi:

And FYI, it is very possible to get a kill on TEAM solo.

and I basically said prove it ingame. you said you can do it with GS and BR, I'll even give you a defenseless country to try with ;)

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:32:31

@elvesrus:
I'm not about to burn all my turns to prove a point. I've put in the work to figure out how to do it with 174 turns exactly.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:34:59

You can actually calculate the whole thing with math.

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mrford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:35:27

you dont even know the variables you need to know like population, tech, government, NW....

it takes longer to kill a max tech rep or demo than a dict.

there is no way you can make a generalized calculation for that....

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:36:47

Plus you would have to spend at least 750 turns on TEAM for it to work.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:37:41

granted, i did it on the alliance server with 118 turns, and even failed 4 attacks. you are correct, it can be done with low turns if circumstances are tright, but your logic is fluffed.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:41:18

All those factors don't matter. 100,000 population loses 4k per SR. Whereas a 10,000 population loses 400 per SR. It's all percentages per attacj, so size has almost no relevance.

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mrford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:42:09

there are max returns, just like min returns.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:43:27

And let me clarify. It takes 'me' no more than 174 turns to get a kill on any server if that player has 0 DR. If you have missiles it takes far fewer.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:45:23

Yes (so I do stand corrected),. in the circumstance that a country is significantly larger you are correct., the numbers do matter.

As an attacker, all you need is at least 60% of their population.

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mrford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:46:41

like i said. you can not calculate it, you dont know.

you are right in principal, but you have to be so flufftarded in the application. why do you do that.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:47:08

A demo is not optimal, but if you leverage your tech advantage while you have it, then rebuild leveled acres as farms, its doable. I would not change govs unless I was planning on hitting first. This was not a great set for any techers to war.

This is an instance where both Celphi and Ford are both fundamentally correct, they are looking through the same window and seeing different things. Ford is a longtime clan warrior, experienced in orchestrating wars where optimal war builds are mandatory for success. A sof, sol, IX, etc full of Demo-Techers in a war would be a pinata. Celphi is not most players, he calculates all of the angles and makes trick shots look easy. He figures he is good enough that he can win with something oddball and make art.

Niether of them is as good as me, but hey, somebody has to tell the story.

(Assuming a defenseless country is a pretty big leap. Are we also assuming it is a perfect sphere with zero charge?)

Edited By: archaic on Jun 15th 2015, 1:50:00
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elvesrus

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:47:35

if you ever find the grapefruits I'll give you a 3 minute window

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:48:22

@mrford:
You can calculate if you're within 60% of their population.

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:49:52

lol @ archaic, that just made my evening....

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archaic

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:50:33

see edit above

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:54:52

The reason it 'seems' harder to kill those rep cashers and theo cashers is because the attacker is likely not within 60% of their population. That's why each of their attacks are not giving max returns.

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mrford

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Jun 15th 2015, 1:55:03

my point is there are variables you just assume away in your static calculations.

the first thing that goes out the window in a battle is the plan.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

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Jun 15th 2015, 2:01:58

also... thats express. last i checked this was the team talk server.

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Jun 15th 2015, 2:08:09

Originally posted by mrford:

If we are arguing like women you are passing out unsolicited worthless opinions like one.

*yawn*

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Jun 15th 2015, 2:12:25

@dissident:
the formula is the same on all the servers. The minor exceptions are min returns from OOP. TEAM is 750. Actually, with the same number of turns, you can do more dmg on TEAM vs EXPRESS because of the declare war ability.

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Jun 15th 2015, 2:59:10

Well if were talking about solo kills on Alliance server, look no further than Nukevil, he is a master at land kills for inactive, low networth and low-land players.

Btw where is Nukevil? did he vacate the game?

Do as I say, not as I do.

mrford

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Jun 15th 2015, 3:04:05

landkills are a bit different. nuke is busy trolling people on express i think.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

VivaNick

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Jun 15th 2015, 12:26:06

Wth is Evo?

archaic

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Jun 15th 2015, 12:46:31

Land kills on the group servers have gotten a LOT harder since persistent C:C DR were introduced to limit land trading.

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Jun 15th 2015, 16:11:55

You all néed to get a life!!!!

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Jun 16th 2015, 22:07:00

Well selfie, you still doubting xBaDx?

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Jun 16th 2015, 22:36:13

There's no post of me saying I doubted 'xBaDx'.

I made 3 comments:
1. xBaDx is getting destroyed
2. I don't like xBaDx because BiBiGoN in their clan
3. If Evo completed a particular strategy then your clan wouldn't have been able to recover.

1- was true as at the time,
2- still applies
3- never occured

When Evo didn't kill Whenever with 2 people, it was fairly obvious that their skillset is primarily netting and not warring. It seems logical that their objective was simply to disrupt your set like you did theirs the previous set.

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Selfie

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Jun 16th 2015, 22:40:58

I'm never wrong you casual, only less right than i could have been!

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Jun 16th 2015, 22:47:27

I was wondering when my fan base was going to start building. Now if I could just get 3 more, I'll be ahead of Jayr.

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Dreckon

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Jun 16th 2015, 23:11:43

Celphi Celphi... you're full of it...

1: never was getting destroyed - they killed one country in an early set blindside when xBaDx had no turns or cash or military - great move on their part - but "destroyed" after one FS? lol

2: you and BiBi are twins

3: "a particular strategy"? lol it's called killing 3 of us before we can retal - simple but they couldn't do it... we have now killed 3 and have the turns to get another if we can get Beagles out of his beer brewery!

They didn't disrupt anything btw -they bit off more than they could chew - and just started the killing earlier than we anticipated - and now we have no reason to use pansy netting as an excuse to not get in more wars this reset! woooooohoooooo

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Jun 16th 2015, 23:39:02

Originally posted by Dreckon:

+1000

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Jun 17th 2015, 0:03:30

Originally posted by Celphi:

I was wondering when my fan base was going to start building. Now if I could just get 3 more, I'll be ahead of Jayr.

talk to me when they rename a server for you.

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Jun 17th 2015, 0:07:44

@dreckon:
'getting destroyed':
In the process of losing their existance.

You're confusing 'was destroyed' with 'getting destroyed'.

I don't mind being BiBi's twin. I mean, that says something about your clan, right? You either have low standards to be a xBaDx member or you see something valuable in BiBi. Which is it?

@braden:
I don't think I'll ever be able to take that title from you...

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Jun 17th 2015, 0:11:47

Now if only my 'selfie' sidekick was here, he could +1000 my post too!

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Jun 17th 2015, 0:14:37

Originally posted by Celphi:

1000% retard math

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Jun 17th 2015, 0:22:04

Woot, there he is! Right on man.

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Thunder

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:15:11

Maybe you missed that part where they said they were giving him one more chance to prove himself a valuable team member. You see, that means he has not been the best team member. since the concept of team flies right over the both of your heads. Team is not an individual server.

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:32:57

I didn't miss it.

Dreckon maked a claim that I'm BiBi's twin. Dreckon and BiBi are both in xBaDx.

xBaDx has only been around 4 sets according to eestats. And of the 4 sets that xBaDx has been around, BiBi has played in the last 3. That's not 3 EXPRESS sets that last 4 days each, that's 3 sets of one month each.

So he's either complimenting me or insulting his clan's qualifications.

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Thunder

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:41:17

he's saying you are both equally non-team members.

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Selfie

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:43:11

i mathed so you are wrong

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:43:14

/me blinks

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:47:34

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Jun 17th 2015, 1:58:02

@thunder:

Yeah I get it -anyone can join xBaDx; but, they have 90 days to prove you're a team player.

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Doogs

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Jun 17th 2015, 2:01:59

in Bibi's defense, he's been doing well as part of the team this round

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Jun 17th 2015, 2:14:08

That's an honorable thing to say., Doogs. It's not easy to pass up on the bandwagon and stick up for the underdog clanmate. Now I know at least one member of xBaDx has class.

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Selfie

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Jun 17th 2015, 2:17:37

If you agree with me, you have class.

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Jun 17th 2015, 3:03:56

I have to agree with Doogs that BiBi's efforts are definitely better this round! If he bails on us halfway through the war then I will have to keep the twin tag with you Celphi... otherwise I would be proud to say that he is at least partially redeemed and you Celphi.... well, you would be all alone as the one that bailed on their clan...

I didn't see you come after my food yet - what's up?