Attack again button kills Stonewalling

Bombay

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Aug 22nd 2014, 14:52:26

The evolution of Bots in warchats to update breaks quickly, and the quick attack button make kills too fast.

I like the art of stonewalling, I feel like it is the NFL where the rulechanges all favor offense.

I see nothing wrong with "Slowing" it down between attacks. A second cool down after attacking would be a good idea, or one extra confirmation.

Stonewalling should be apart of the game, and should be viable.

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 14:58:02

before the attack again button it was F5+enter

the problem isnt the button

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Bombay

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Aug 22nd 2014, 14:59:07

Do you feel it is too fast?

KoHeartsGPA

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:06:27

I feel yous whiney..

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Requiem

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:09:46

Regardless of the reason ford its too fast and should be fixed somehow.

Requiem

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:10:42

I used to like to wall and now unless you just happen to be on and logged into ur country its very difficult.

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:16:30

it is more the level of skill in the remaining pool of players

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Trife

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:18:50

i too prefer nice and slow over hard and fast

atleast until the very end

tellarion

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:21:02

ford, walling doesn't require skill, it requires time. Most successful wallers are sitting near their computers at all hours with an irc script set to alert them and 2-3 tabs open ready to buy fluff up and run turns. Unfortunately for people like me, I spend 7 of my 9 hours at work standing and teaching, and I don't have the ability to check my phone...

Makolyte

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:21:10

I would never play FFA again if there was a 1 second cooldown on attacks.

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Pang

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:22:01

I wrote an algorithm that based how much readiness you lose on your recent attack activity. Spam attacking would kill like 15%+ per attack and I think I had it ramp up. It even had a nice little counter to tell you how long until you were able to attack at min readiness.

Many people took issue, I think NA people suicided a bunch of ppl and then qz removed it. I still think it was a good addition in general that should have been tweaked rather than just turned off.

Creating that feature was the impetus for me to rebuild the war page a few years ago.

The other thing I wanted to do that no one else supports is turn the # of turns down from 120 (120) to 80(80) for this server.

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Requiem

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:28:32

Setup a vote and let's see what public opinion is?

KoHeartsGPA

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:29:49

Originally posted by Pang:

The other thing I wanted to do that no one else supports is turn the # of turns down from 120 (120) to 80(80) for this server.

::vomits::

iNouda

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:31:57

I honestly don't mind. The restart bonuses are good enough for me to keep on killing!

Hawkster

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:37:01

OI!!! .. uhm yea I do NOT like that last one at all. 80(80) o.O

I have no issues with the algorithm slow down thing. Yea it might need to be tweaked some, but am sure that can be worked out, would be nice to work it out prior to implementation though.

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:39:48

Originally posted by tellarion:

i was talking about skill of hitters, not wallers. thought that was pretty obvious, since this topic was about people hitting too fast.

but sure, jump my jimmies anyways.

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:41:13

Originally posted by Pang:

no, the problem is you admins keep puting blanket changes across all servers. people on FFA want to keep running their turns fast. you do things to fix alliance server, and apply them to FFA for fluffs and giggles, and it is ruining that server.

no admins care about FFA, so the players have to stand up for themselves. llaar suicided the entire FFA server when the rules were put into place on a server that never asked for the change,

Edited By: mrford on Aug 22nd 2014, 15:45:19

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

tellarion

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:42:58

Originally posted by Requiem:

I used to like to wall and now unless you just happen to be on and logged into ur country its very difficult.

I thought you were responding to this.

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:44:14

you thought wrong

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Kingme

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Aug 22nd 2014, 15:48:26

http://www.earthempires.com/...l-runs-32906?t=1408709961

tellarion

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Aug 22nd 2014, 16:02:20

Originally posted by mrford:

you thought wrong

Don't be a jerk. I was being civil :)

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 16:09:52

nvm

Edited By: mrford on Aug 22nd 2014, 16:12:03

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

LittleItaly

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Aug 22nd 2014, 16:31:04

Originally posted by mrford:

before the attack again button it was F5+enter

the problem isnt the button

Every player in the game did not know about the f5+enter method ;)

Kills definitely did speed up when the button was implemented. It was brought up back then, just as it is being brought back up now.

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King_Cobra1

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Aug 22nd 2014, 16:54:06

Personally I think its working as intended. The biggest reason for 20 second average kill times atm is because there is literally 30-40 people in the chat able to hit at any given time. Most wars you don't get that many chats. This SERVER war is very different then most wars. I personally think changes should be based on the normal wars not the server wars where between 4-6 alliances are sitting in one chat. Where War chats can on average have 3k to 4k turns on average without trying.

The last two attempts at slowing down kills runs personally did nothing real but, create undo grief.

My only suggestion is lets bring back the pop hit change again. That way if you do log on and do a buy up the amount of pop killed starts back over. This was a great feature which only require people to get on and could make a kill run require 350 to 400 hits instead of 250. This would really change the aspects of a game. Making more incentive for people to attempt to stonewall.

Pang

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:08:12

Originally posted by mrford:

Originally posted by Pang:

i think the bigger problem is the sense of entitlement some people in this community have. your post wreaks of it.

that's not standing up for yourself, it's being a whiny baby throwing a tantrum.

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AzNiZe

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:11:23

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

Originally posted by Pang:

The other thing I wanted to do that no one else supports is turn the # of turns down from 120 (120) to 80(80) for this server.

::vomits::

EL Rapy

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:12:03

3rd world countries cant wall just sayin

AzNiZe

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:12:28

It is fine the way it is. If you can't sign on within 10 seconds, you deserve to die.

Trife

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:50:04

lowering the turns to 80 (80) would just make it that much tougher for smaller alliances to actually kill things

Trife

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:50:47

Originally posted by AzNiZe:

It is fine the way it is. If you can't sign on within 10 seconds, you deserve to die.

yes, if you have any sliver of a life IRL, you deserve to die! that'll teach you employed folks or people with friends!

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 17:58:07

Quit being a fluff, quit your job and kill your friends.

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Untagged Hunter

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Aug 22nd 2014, 18:12:13

You fluffes complains too much. The game is fine the way it is. If you're afraid of being killed because your busy ass can't sign on fast enough, join Omega and climb that tree. Quit whining for fluff's sake.

160 (120) is what it should be. Love to see more of you whiny fluffes die.

iNouda

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Aug 22nd 2014, 18:15:45

As long as netters die I don't care :P

TAN

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Aug 22nd 2014, 18:21:28

I like how people are whining about people whining.

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Alin

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Aug 22nd 2014, 18:34:10

something must be done about that speed of killing.

Not sure what ...

spyfoodpoison

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Aug 22nd 2014, 18:49:44

a good soldier never blames his weaponry.... deal with it lol.

archaic

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Aug 22nd 2014, 18:53:03

It did not bother me that much. When this game started, nobody had cell phones, if you were AFK - you died.

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Raging Budda

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:22:44

Originally posted by archaic:

It did not bother me that much. When this game started, nobody had cell phones, if you were AFK - you died.

Walling these days is easier these days as well with the texting bots nearly everyone has. Though, I wouldn't mind finding away to slow things up a bit for this server. An idea woulld be to mandate that each attack to require a mouse button click or pressing of enter button aka, a semi-automatic weapon. Can still probably get 2-3 hits a second in this way outside of the 6-7+ for spam hitting. That will allow people to get the computer/phone if they are avialable in under a minute to wall without slpwing things up too much.

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grimjoww

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:28:43

160 turns max just like in team w00t!

mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:30:26

Do

Not

Apply

Any

New

Changes

To

FFA

You

Have

Ruined

It

Enough

With

fluff

Ass

Alliance

Server

Changes

Thanks

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

TAN

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:37:55

I think we should add an attack delay to the FFA server. WHO'S WITH ME??

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mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:39:38

fluff I will police brutality you so fast you will think you were in Missouri

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

TAN

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:40:35

motherfluffer i will shank you so hard your first instinct will be to drop the soap again

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mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:42:46

Hoe, I will kick you in the throat so hard you will think you spent another night with Ron Jeremy

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:44:22

I do think that FFA is fine the way it is, but I also think this is not a normal war like kingcobra pointed out.

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mrford

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Aug 22nd 2014, 19:46:44

I think FFA needs to be rolled back to the llaar rule, but that is wishful thinking because I know no one gives a fluff about FFA.

Swagger of a Chupacabra

[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Requiem

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Aug 22nd 2014, 20:00:52

Originally posted by TAN:

I think we should add an attack delay to the FFA server. WHO'S WITH ME??

TAN

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Aug 22nd 2014, 20:11:28

mrford listen up fluff you keep talking and i'll fist you so hard even Thunder will feel it

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Pang

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Aug 22nd 2014, 20:14:46

Originally posted by Requiem:

Originally posted by TAN:

I think we should add an attack delay to the FFA server. WHO'S WITH ME??

+1

Ford -> Out of any single server, FFA has by FAR the most unique, server-specific code and one-offs. I'd invite you to remember that before you start criticizing the changes we make for ALL servers.

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