A pile of oil going across the market @ 21 right now.

Let the endgame ch33ting begin!

2 deleted countries so far.

there was a few million at $21 yesterday too...

lmao awesome who got the purplez this time ??

Whats up CX? Wasn't your SO for $21 oil first in line for that one?

lol

<Market>: Jan/05/2014 19:20:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 61 -- SO: Yes

<Market>: Jan/05/2014 19:20:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 3,527,611 -- SO: Yes


[09:53:51] <Market> Jan/05/2014 01:54:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,281,698 -- SO: Yes
[07:39:52] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:40:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 200,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:39:52] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:40:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,122,319 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 54 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:54] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,000,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:55] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 383,976 -- SO: Yes

They really need to get a handle on this.... thats 750 million extra because someone's aiding another player on a solo server.

ROFL

It may be a bug.

http://www.earthempires.com/...xpress-28773?t=1388902606

HAHAHAHA, nope. I had no orders out thanks.

Oh btw Getafix, way to grab and still only barely beat me. :P

Good game CX :)

You too lol.

Will get you next round (maybe).

shouldnt that mean if you have a standing order, it'd go to you?

if you understand how SOs work in terms of their queue and everything, its not possible that all the SOs posted by rock lobster is filled up by a single person unless there were no SOs for oil at that time.

i thought SO was first come first serve ..
i.e. if somewhere were to log in 1 minute into the set, put up an oil order for @21, and then in a couple days have 2 billion cash on hand to fill that order - they will get the first 2 billion @ 21 or all until sold out . if there is more than 2 billion then i thought the remaining amount would go to whoever put in the next SO.

no?

that's how qz explained it to me a while back at least

oh and $2 billion worth of oil at $21, lol poor example but you get what i'm saying

Thats my understanding too kinda..

Same concept as you vic but A has the order in for 21, then B puts one in.

A doesn't fill his order the first batch of 21 oil, then B gets the next batch, if he doeant fill it goes to A again..etc


Could be wrong, but meh

A has $1 million and first SO at 21
B has $10 million and second SO at 21
C has $2 million and third SO at 21
D has $50 million and fourth SO at 21
E has $85 million and fifth SO at 25


if $20 million worth of oil is put up at 21 i think that:
A buys the first $1 million, SO deleted
B buys up to lot $11 milion, SO deleted
C buys up to lot $13 million, SO deleted
D buys rest of oil, oil cleared, SO remains,
E has not filled orders yet.

...
which becomes:
D (first in line under 21) up to $43 million worth of oil to be filled until SO is deleted
E (second in line under 21, first in line under 25) up to $85 million worth of oil to be filled until SO is deleted

so i think we are in agreement bstrong

so to this - i think the instance is 'possible', but only when the country in question has more cash on hand than the amount of the order, and of course, is first to set SO. when that occurs, the first country fills entire SO

I picked up these ones:

<Market>: Jan/05/2014 19:20:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 3,527,611 -- SO: Yes

[07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:54] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,000,000 -- SO: Yes

The 3,527,611 was part of a 10m barrel SO at $21. I think there is a preference in the queue for SO's at exactly price of the sale.

what do you mean that there is preference for SOs at exactly price of sale?
like if someone had the first SO in the game up, and put it up at 50, and then someone came along and put up a 21 a day later, the second person with the 21 would get filled first on these barrels because the SO was for the exact amount, and not just for an amount greater?
and if so, would we then follow the above logic? the second person with the 21 SO would fill either entire order or until his cash runs out, before the first guy to put up the SO at 50?

if so - that's really bad. because then people can start picking a price for their friend to sale at, like 37 , put up an SO for 37 when everyone else has something else, and sell for 37?
it sounds like that was going on with the 21 oils and everyone started catching on and putting SOs around that price. or have you guys that have been getting filled been putting it up at exactly 21?

what was your SO up at getafix?


if you guys have been getting filled and you haven't been putting SOs in for the exact amount that they've sold for, i dont see how the queue preference could fall to those with exact pricing right. ?

Your last 2 lines are incorrect. D bought at least 1 oil, so his SO is moved to the end of the queue. The queue is now E (first in line), followed by D (last in line). The next batch of oil that comes along is always checked against E first. If it is more than $25, then it checks the next guy down the line (and E remains first in line), etc.

See http://www.earthempires.com/...sed%3F-28639?t=1388695060 for further elaboration.
And this http://www.earthempires.com/...estion-19360?t=1343960148

first of all.
SOs last for 24 hours, so if you login 1 min when the set begins and set an SO, the next day your SO will be put back into the queue again

Scenario 1:

A sets SO for 1m of barrels at 1pm on day 1
B sets SO for 1m of barrels at 2pm on day 1
C sets SO for 1m fo barrels at 3pm on day 1

3m of barrels come in at 2pm on day 2
B gets 1m, C gets 1, then only A gets his 1m.



You are only allowed to set 3 SOs, according to getafix market timestamps
[09:53:51] <Market> Jan/05/2014 01:54:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,281,698 -- SO: Yes
[07:39:52] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:40:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 200,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:39:52] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:40:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,122,319 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 54 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:54] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,000,000 -- SO: Yes
[07:28:55] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 383,976 -- SO: Yes

the SOs were filled up by 2 countries at least.

I would say the SOs were filled by at least 5 different countries. Most people that set identical SOs (say $21 oil) would key in the same amount of oil for each SO. i.e Just enter it once, and hit F5 once or twice.

Since the log posted by h2orich (1 post up) shows that the first batch of oil was about 3.38m oil, and it was filled by 4 separate SOs, it is likely that 4 different people got the oil, unless the 2nd and 3rd SO were by the same person who put in different amounts of oil to buy. The first SO is most likely due to running out of cash, nobody types an exact number of oil (383,976) to buy like that.

Likewise, the next batch of oil was purchased at 23:40:00, by two separate SOs, which are likely 2 different people again, though the 2.1m purchase guy is likely to be the same guy who bought 54 oil earlier, then run out of cash (hence the weird 2122319 number). Then the next SO bought 200k, and moved on to the next person.

Overall, I think 6 people bought all that oil, players A to F in that order. if B and C are the same person, then 5 people.

F [09:53:51] <Market> Jan/05/2014 01:54:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,281,698 -- SO: Yes
E [07:39:52] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:40:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 200,000 -- SO: Yes
D [07:39:52] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:40:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,122,319 -- SO: Yes
D [07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 54 -- SO: Yes
C [07:28:53] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000,000 -- SO: Yes
B [07:28:54] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 2,000,000 -- SO: Yes
A [07:28:55] <Market> Jan/04/2014 23:29:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 383,976 -- SO: Yes

I think there is a preference for SO's at exactly the right price because my SO's at $21 got filled and the one at $25 that sat there for a long time didn't. I don't know if its true, its a hypothesis based on what I saw with my SO's.

and Xinhuan, B&C were mine. I was testing what I thought was a bug; I thought there might be some maximum to which it would fill an SO at that point so I set SO's at 1 & 2m (at $21), plus one for $25 that didn't get filled.

Later, when I got the 3.3m barrel SO filled I realized that there was a maximum total amount being sold each time, that that amount varied, and that it was unrelated to the SO's in place even though nothing ever hit the public market.

Earliest should get filled first even if it's not exact... test it again to confirm.

I got 1 mil of those at 21 on a SO@25. I noticed right after the start that someone was selling big chunks @21. I was also wondering if someone was trying to feed it to a specific country, so I put in a big SO to help mitigate if that was the case. I was running an all x so I just dumped it all on PM.

This is basically confirmation bias. Keep in mind that as people sell goods, cheaper SOs slowly percolate to the front of the queue. If your $25 SO even bought a single unit of oil (say someone sold a little bit at $24), the SO would have been shifted to the end of the SO queue, and be separated from the other 2 SOs you placed at $21 (assuming you placed all 3 SOs at the same time). So when the $21 oil finally hits the market, your $25 SO didn't buy the remainder because it wasn't next in line to be checked.

Hm, an incomplete SO gets demoted to the back of the queue after a partial buy? That's retarded.

Thanks for that data mac23. And Xinhuan, my $25 SO never got partially filled. Also, if this $21 oil is being created by a game bug it may not behave like normal sold goods with respect to SO's.

Xinhuan, you mentioned in the bugs and suggestions thread that Tellarion (or a mod) could see who put the oil on the market. Can this still be looked into after the set ends? How could we make that request?

@h2o and Xin, if there is only 1 SO in the market or rather, SOs from only 1 country, it can account for the above.

Also, I have put it weird #s for SO if I need specific goods bought without me risking running out of cash to run turns the next day I might put a number like 316129. I'm weird like that sometimes. If I need to fuel 7903225 jets tomorrow, I won't leave out an SO for 320000 barrels.

So, if I put out a food SO for $50 bushels and call for like 4,000,000, and then the market empties and stays empty for a couple hours... so like 15 more people put in orders... and then some dumbass sells 10,000 bushels, I have to go to the back of the line behind everyone? Well fluff, why doesn't the cheater just put in five separate SOs for $21 oil, and then their buddy can sell batches of 1000 barrels or whatever until one hits, thus knocking everyone else to the back of the line while the cheater's next order moves to the front. Then dump the whole stockpile.

Yes, you can easily prove this by setting 3 large food SOs for maybe 10 bil food which fills completely. On Alliance server, you'll see that your 3 SOs will fill sequentially within 30 min, and then 10 hours later, your 3 SOs will fill again, and then another 10 hour wait and your 3 SOs fill again in quick succession.

Thats exactly what happens I think blid.

Now here's another question. Is it even possible for one player to generate the volumes of oil we are talking about here and sell them all at a huge loss, yet keep building? Or would it have to be a rep casher or techer steadily buying out bushels and then dumping them at $21? I'd really like to know where these barrels originated.

Yes, your 4m bushels order gets moved to the end of the queue even if you only bought 1 bushel, let alone the dumbass that only sells for 10k (or that 10k is the tail end of the remainder sales volume not captured by the SO before you). See post above this for proof.

This method ensures that even if 100 people set super huge SOs before you did, you still can get SOME food (dependent on luck how large the batches selling into you are) after up to 300 food sales. Otherwise, a single person holding 75b cash on hand (yes, I had 75b cash at one point) could set a huge SO and nobody else would be able to get any SO food for the next 20 hours. This is after years of observations of how food SOs at $35 and $36 worked. SOing $35 food is always about luck, not about who gets the SOs in first. In fact, you'll want to split your 3 SOs up, not put up all 3 sequentially, because if the first one runs out your cash on hand, your next 2 gets cancelled immediately (since the remainder food checks SOs in queue sequentially), rather than remain in queue if you logged in every hour to check and sell purchased food to PM and queue up a new $35 SO.

You can only put out 3 SOs for each good, so you can't do 5 SOs of $21 as suggested.

But, yes a cheater can do what you said. On other servers, because goods take 4-6 (or 4-5) hours to reach the market, it is much harder to pull this off, because you have to test once every 4-6 hours (or recall the large batch if you put it out in advance), but on Express, it is somewhat easy to pull it off, given that it is also a much smaller server with less players, and the time to market is very short. Still, you only have room for 2 SOs to market transfer with given the 1st one is used to test.

This is why after 72-96 hours (apparently it is 1 day for Express), SOs that have not purchased anything gets moved to the end of the queue anyway, to prevent end of set exploits from a SO set at 00:01 Turn 0 of the reset.

If there is only 1 SO on the market, then it would have only produced 1 transaction on IRC per food batch sold. Unless multiple selling batches of oil hit at the same exact time, which is not very likely for *oil*.

thanks xin!

yes, blid, that is basically how you do a market transfer of goods why you need players like me to exploit these loopholes and have the game admin fix them.

And yes, you(first person) set an SO of 5m bushels at $50. Someone sells 40k at $30(lucky you), but you get pushed right to back of the queue for your bushels again.



It may not be the case. If I set an SO for 1m oil and another SO for another 1m oil, and I got 616,024 barrels on my first purchase hours ago, the next batch of oil(e.g 5m) will fill up the remaining 383,976 barrels of my first SO and the other 1m on my 2nd SO. So it may be the same person.

Yeah, but since getafix didn't post any $21 logs prior to it (and that you can't buy oil cheaper than $21), I assumed there was no prior SO.

we don't have all the market logs because they disappear off the irc channel after a few hours. H2o or I copied the ones you see.

But I would estimate the total volume of oil sold at $21 at 10-12m barrels. With an average profit of just $100 (sale price around $130 or $140) that represents a profit of over $1b. Thats enough for $4m networth gain even without taking exponential growth into account.

This is a significant exploit.

go fujck yourself

^^ LMFAO ^^

Wow wow wow, where's Waldo at?, we can have a party if him and tduong come back along with jackelope, ahhhh the good ole days.... Lol

thanks for exploiting all those loopholes, like having a nutswinger attack your friends, or like having a friend be your landfarm. youvve made some great contributions ot this game you piece of fluff

plus 1 to blid
ps and that was his post #6666

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