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Pang Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:47:33

Hi everyone,

So it's come to my attention that there are a number of people whose emails were attempted to be breached using stolen Boxcar data. Some were contacted by their email provider after noticing the weird login attempts. There are also a number of people who have data-related concerns from their workplace that I expect will need to be addressed fully at some point.

It's also come to my attention that the overall response by several RD leaders has been to begin discussing how to get revenge on me IRL, which is beyond unfortunate given this is a mother fluffing game.

As such, I'm compiling information to pass on to the relevant authorities in the jurisdiction of the perpetrator(s) and victims to get the ball rolling on that whole mess.

If you have feel you have been a victim of this, please come and find me on IRC to provide any information you may have.
Thanks!
Dave
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ViLSE Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:52:23

Hi Pang,

Is there any way we could find out what password we had before they were all changed?

I have been out of contact with this game for a longer period of time and am only really back due to the email about the password change and I cant remember what I had it set to before. Depending on what my password was I might want to go switching passwords elsewhere just to be on the safe side.

Cheers,
ViLSE

Cerberus Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:53:05

Geez, and the situation keeps getting worse and worse. The stupidity of this whole thing seriously boggles the mind.

This is a GAME for chrissakes. WTF!
I don't need anger management, people need to stop pissing me off!

locket Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:53:48

Out of curiosity who are you planning to contact the authorities about and who has given you this supposed information on people going after your RL. Seems to be hearsay atm.

ViLSE Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:54:47

To be honest if anyone does anything IRL then just shut the game down. Its not worth it if that even is a remote possibility.

Pang Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:57:33

locket, stfu you goddamn troll.
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Vic Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:57:43

I'll say it right now -
If any RD leaders or members are actually in anyway discussing anything about Pang and RL you guys need to stop immediately.

If any bonehead actually considers plotting ANYTHING against Pang you are extremely deluded and dangerous and I for one have no problem with the full book being thrown at you.

However, I definitely haven't seen anything of the sort in the idling I've done in rdwarchat... and I'd really hope RD members and leaders are man enough to just walk away from this whole mess.

Sorry to hear you've had to deal with that nonsense, Pang. Trust me it was unsettling enough for me when Dibs, a special person, threatened to kill me, so I can only imagine this is some scary fluff.

And if I see anything in IRC remotely suggestive of some sort of RL plan on Pang, trust I will do all I can to help authorities and Pang handle the threat.


RD - let this all go. Walk away for a while. This all has gotten way too ugly

Alin Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 13:57:56

Wow! Take the legal steps Pang i am sure they will be punished by law!

Duna Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:01:15

Originally posted by Pang:
It's also come to my attention that the overall response by several RD leaders has been to begin discussing how to get revenge on me IRL, which is beyond unfortunate given this is a mother fluffing game.


I dont support taking grudges to IRL, but aggression build only aggression. What you expected?

Edited By: Duna on Oct 31st 2013, 14:03:59
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Cerberus Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:04:28

Threatening is a criminal act and is punishable under the law and you should pursue action against any and all who do without question, mercy, or pity.

Protecting yourself from morons and crazies is very important now that our population has become dumber, and way more morally corrupt.
I don't need anger management, people need to stop pissing me off!

locket Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:11:41

How am I a troll Pang? Because I asked who you are planning to prosecute? Because I havnt seen ANYTHING insite or in irc about people even considering how to get back at you ingame, let alone in RL?

I assure you if I had I still would have told you despite the fact that you are acting as you are. I would never stand for that. I dont actually believe that anyone is planning anything to get at you. Perhaps someone saw a brief mad comment and took it to be serious or somesuch. If they are actually planning anything then they are idiots. I just find it hard to believe anyone would go after you for this.


Dont ask questions or you are a troll apparently though.

Pride Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:14:09

Seriously guys? Grow up. It's just a game play legit or stop playing.

GodHead Dibs Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:16:56

does that mean that qzjul is going to have to turn the server over to the police until the investigation is finished?
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Pang Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:22:15

If they didn't take the server for the Jared Loughner stuff they won't take this instance either.

They'll just want log, snapshots and user accounts if it's anything like last time.
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GodHead Dibs Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:26:17

Originally posted by Pang:
If they didn't take the server for the Jared Loughner stuff they won't take this instance either.

They'll just want log, snapshots and user accounts if it's anything like last time.


yeah, but it's a crime scene this time because it was breached. i dunno. that'll give me something to go research.
Dibs Ludicrous was here.

ninong Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:30:09

as terrible as this is, it still doesn't justify a whole alliance getting deleted
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NukEvil Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:31:33

Again with the "the punishment is too harsh!" argument. This argument has been addressed by the admins already! Stop perpetuating it!
I am a troll. Everything I say must be assumed to be said solely to provoke an exaggerated reaction to the current topic. I fully intend to bring absolutely no substance to any discussion, ongoing or otherwise. Conversing with me is pointless.

ninong Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:34:46

and why is that? lol. punishment is not too harsh, it was just done on the wrong people. deletion is not enough for cheaters like that.
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Alin Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:35:04

I am amaized by the level of stupidity that lies in this community.
People messing up RL with a game.

Look at this dumbfluff:

I dont support taking grudges to IRL, but aggression build only aggression. What you expected?

hawkeyee Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:35:14

Originally posted by locket:
How am I a troll Pang? Because I asked who you are planning to prosecute? Because I havnt seen ANYTHING insite or in irc about people even considering how to get back at you ingame, let alone in RL?

I assure you if I had I still would have told you despite the fact that you are acting as you are. I would never stand for that. I dont actually believe that anyone is planning anything to get at you. Perhaps someone saw a brief mad comment and took it to be serious or somesuch. If they are actually planning anything then they are idiots. I just find it hard to believe anyone would go after you for this.


Dont ask questions or you are a troll apparently though.


Locket - the fact that nobody is talking about it in public is more troubling, IMO. Going on IRC in front of 40 people and saying "omg pang is an idiot I'm gonna kill him" is most likely someone just being a cry baby looking for attention. If there are threats or discussions going on behind the scenes I'd take those a lot more seriously. Nobody who is serious about causing harm is going to publicly discuss their plans on IRC.
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martian Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:46:36

Vilse: the passwords were encrypted. I'm not sure as to your background in these types of things so I'll explain it in a bit of detail. The encryption method produces a hash key (based on a mathematical formula) and the way that the system knows if you entered the correct password or not is it applies the same formula to your entered password and sees if it generates a hash key. The hash table (which is the table of encrypted passwords) is done in such a way that at least to anyone's knowledge there is no way to mathematically reverse the hash keys back into a password. However if you know the encryption method used (which certain people in RD would have known since they had the boxcar code) and the hash table, it is possible to do a "dictionary search" which contains the hash keys for common passwords.
So if you used a common password or an english word, then yeah they could have gotton your password. If you used some jumble of letters or a bunch of words strung together then no, the only way is brute force or use of methodologies/equipment beyond what anyone in this game would be able to access for this purpose.

There are encryption methods which prevent this kind of attack (ie to save people from themselves) so that even with the hash table a dictionary lookup like I described above would be useless.

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deepcode Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:50:41

Does anyone not remember Jared?

I'm pretty certain threats are going to be taken seriously coming from this community.

ViLSE Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 14:53:27

Originally posted by martian:
Vilse: the passwords were encrypted. I'm not sure as to your background in these types of things so I'll explain it in a bit of detail. The encryption method produces a hash key (based on a mathematical formula) and the way that the system knows if you entered the correct password or not is it applies the same formula to your entered password and sees if it generates a hash key. The hash table (which is the table of encrypted passwords) is done in such a way that at least to anyone's knowledge there is no way to mathematically reverse the hash keys back into a password. However if you know the encryption method used (which certain people in RD would have known since they had the boxcar code) and the hash table, it is possible to do a "dictionary search" which contains the hash keys for common passwords.
So if you used a common password or an english word, then yeah they could have gotton your password. If you used some jumble of letters or a bunch of words strung together then no, the only way is brute force or use of methodologies/equipment beyond what anyone in this game would be able to access for this purpose.

There are encryption methods which prevent this kind of attack (ie to save people from themselves) so that even with the hash table a dictionary lookup like I described above would be useless.



Thanks Martian, that should be ok for me in that case, I tend never to have silly passwords that exist in any dictionary. I remember the good ole days when I hacked some UNIX password files and it was stupidly easy when someone used a "normal" word found in a dictionary.

Cheers,
ViLSE

pele Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 15:10:16

Man.... I truly hope those rumors are false!!! This is a free game, you dont like it go somewhere ells, do something ells....

Taking it to rl is just crazy...

This must stop

GodHead Dibs Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 15:17:25

Originally posted by deepcode:
Does anyone not remember Jared?

I'm pretty certain threats are going to be taken seriously coming from this community.


not really. he was one of those crazy SoL players from what i remember. and probably got into too much peyote.
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Vic Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 15:33:02

Originally posted by Vic:
I'll say it right now -
If any RD leaders or members are actually in anyway discussing anything about Pang and RL you guys need to stop immediately.

If any bonehead actually considers plotting ANYTHING against Pang you are extremely deluded and dangerous and I for one have no problem with the full book being thrown at you.

However, I definitely haven't seen anything of the sort in the idling I've done in rdwarchat... and I'd really hope RD members and leaders are man enough to just walk away from this whole mess.

Sorry to hear you've had to deal with that nonsense, Pang. Trust me it was unsettling enough for me when Dibs, a special person, threatened to kill me, so I can only imagine this is some scary fluff.

And if I see anything in IRC remotely suggestive of some sort of RL plan on Pang, trust I will do all I can to help authorities and Pang handle the threat.


RD - let this all go. Walk away for a while. This all has gotten way too ugly

GodHead Dibs Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 15:39:17

Vic, i was merely attempting to see if i could get your head to pop off via the internet using simple troll words. never know when that kind of skill might come in handy.
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Vic Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 15:40:08

heh you and I are all good Dibs

DFA Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 16:01:48

Stay safe Pang, hopefully its just bravado bullfluff, but you never can be sure.

XiQter MD Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 16:15:28

Well that prettymuch proves that every action taken sofar has been justified, hope you internet warriors end up shutting this game down cause that would probably be the end of your world, the rest of us normal people would be better off without it I think.

Pang I hope you nail these fgs balls to the fluffing wall.

Please note I'm not saying every RD:er deserves their ballsack nailed to the wall, just the really stupid ones who spend their freetime hacking peoples accounts. And perhaps the ones who knew about it and did nothing.

Just thought I should clarify so there are no missunderstandings!

It also shows just how much the cheating RD:ers care about their fellow legit players, absolute zero...

Edited By: XiQter MD on Oct 31st 2013, 16:56:42
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Falsedisillusion Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 16:26:10

I am glad you are moving forward with this Pang. What is being done is illegal, immoral and just plain stupid. Those involved deserve to be punished for their disregard. This is just a game, there is absolutely no reason this should flow over into RL. Those who take it so seriously need to get some serious help, I am not just trolling I am serious. If you are this connected to the game you really need to seek help for your safety and the safety of those around you.

grimjoww Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 16:59:11

this getting ridiculous .. be safe pang

Heston Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 17:19:38

Bunch of paperhanging fluff bullfluff. The perps are hiding? Goddamn cowards. There is little that i hate more than a sack of fluff behind a keyboard pretending to be hard. The police is not going to do fluff about this btw. Maybe we handle it ourselves.
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Mr.Silver

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Oct 31st 2013, 17:26:31

I've already stated the extent of my involvement to multiple people in game and also to an admin.

As far as I could tell during the time no hacking had occurred, however posts show that something did. Any and such is far beyond my scope or understanding. It looks from provided postings that something has happened but i don't even remotely have a clue what all it entails or anything of the sort.

I have not heard any RD leaders or members planning any sort of revenge either in game or in RL. One member went on a rant the day of the deletions, but he even said multiple times in his rant that he was drunk and upset. He is a fun loving guy and everyone in the game knows he's a harmless guy, he was just ranting. Other than that I've seen or heard nothing.

If the assertions all made in the original thread are true, I still would not see Copper logging into people's life stuff (facebook,email,porn sites,etc). It wouldn't make sense and could jeopardize his RL job.

As per Pang's wishes I have quit the game and wish everyone the best of luck, Those that I provided help for still feel free to contact me if you need any help with strats etc or just want to chat.

Best wishes to everyone and I'd like to thank the admins and owners for the time they put into bringing the game for everyone. Pang this includes you. While ingame I didn't like you very much. I did appreciate the time and effort you spent running the game.

Everything in this game is volunteered base. from Div Leaders to Alliance Leaders to Mods to Game Admins. Remember that to anyone that goes on a rant

anyways,
best of luck.

Ruthie

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Oct 31st 2013, 17:27:45

Originally posted by Duna:
Originally posted by Pang:
It's also come to my attention that the overall response by several RD leaders has been to begin discussing how to get revenge on me IRL, which is beyond unfortunate given this is a mother fluffing game.


I dont support taking grudges to IRL, but aggression build only aggression. What you expected?



I would think he would expect people not to go looking for him in RL over what happens in a stupid game. This was not his fault.

Do you seriously believe what you type on these boards? I hope not.
~Ruthless~
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CX LaE Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 17:33:41

Ugh, this has soured me on playing with RD any further.

I know it's not everyone in charge at RD, but seriously, to those who have been attempting these acct and email hacks - what's wrong with you? This isn't public school. It bothers me when the kids who got bullied in school become adults, band together, and threaten people over the internet. How.... delightfully mature of you.
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Xintros Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 17:50:40

Hi Ruthie!
What a weird community. I'm sure everyone of us is in some government file stamped "possible ___________"
Why have I stayed here all these years?
Because of people like Ruthie and others.
We are the best and worst of humanity, a microcosm of the real world.

*waves to the FBI*
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Makolyte Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 18:03:15

They used SQL Injection to find a hole
Now a big black guy named Bubba is gonna inject something in their holes
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NukEvil Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 18:03:34

Don't forget the NSA and the CIA for all you foreigners*!


*Canadian site, I know, but Canada is just America's hat
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Heretodie Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 18:12:05

Those are bold words Pang claiming RL threats, ive spoken ti higher ups in boxcar as and was in irc last night for many hours and nothing like that was ever talked about. Not to mention people here and others say the same thing, if its true I feel sorry for the state of the game but I highly doubt anyone cares enough to screw with anyones RL stuff.

Disclaimer; not a troll comment so take it for what it is.

prey4villains Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 18:23:24

um if people were really trying to plan something against Pang IRL, I doubt they would openly discuss it in public.

ColoOutlaw

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Oct 31st 2013, 19:12:04

I certainly have a new found respect for Mr Silver. I haven't seen anyone take this as well as he has. It's hard to show your frustration yet realize the magnitude of what has happened to players on both sides of the fence. Sorry to see anyone go but I do wish you luck.

deepcode Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 20:30:47

NSA/CIA/CSEC, whatever.

Assume they're always there.

justtaint

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Oct 31st 2013, 20:42:31

Just shut down the game, Pang. Please. Let it die.
Don't give anyone the code, don't think twice about it. Kill it.
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Makinso Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 21:16:30

What Colo said.

Silver this is going down with grace man.

GodHead Dibs Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 21:45:23

Originally posted by justtaint:
Just shut down the game, Pang. Please. Let it die.
Don't give anyone the code, don't think twice about it. Kill it.


the code probably isn't all that complex. FFA members probably have all the formulas required to duplicate the duplicate. and then there's the Mars site to flock to. can rejoin Rangholio and CWG.
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Oct 31st 2013, 22:07:21

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolt_Online_Gaming

"In 2008 Jolt acquired this game along with Swirve's Utopia. On November 4, 2009, Jolt announced that they would no longer be continuing the game when the current rounds end in December, citing an over abundance of technical problems which allegedly made continuing support untenable."
Dibs Ludicrous was here.

Xelah Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 22:44:14

Hey Pang,
If you get worried enough, you can crash on my couch. and by crash i mean scream in ecstacy. And by couch, I mean bondage swing.
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iScode Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 22:54:08

Originally posted by Makinso:
What Colo said.

Silver this is going down with grace man.


you actually believed that drivel Makinso?? That was just a well placed piece of propaganda to win the community over and make people think he did nothing wrong...

I do not believe anything from silver, about as much as i believe anything from yourself bud :P
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SAM_DANGER Game profile

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Oct 31st 2013, 22:54:51

Originally posted by Mr.Silver:
I've already stated the extent of my involvement to multiple people in game and also to an admin.

As far as I could tell during the time no hacking had occurred, however posts show that something did. Any and such is far beyond my scope or understanding. It looks from provided postings that something has happened but i don't even remotely have a clue what all it entails or anything of the sort.

I have not heard any RD leaders or members planning any sort of revenge either in game or in RL. One member went on a rant the day of the deletions, but he even said multiple times in his rant that he was drunk and upset. He is a fun loving guy and everyone in the game knows he's a harmless guy, he was just ranting. Other than that I've seen or heard nothing.

If the assertions all made in the original thread are true, I still would not see Copper logging into people's life stuff (facebook,email,porn sites,etc). It wouldn't make sense and could jeopardize his RL job.

As per Pang's wishes I have quit the game and wish everyone the best of luck, Those that I provided help for still feel free to contact me if you need any help with strats etc or just want to chat.

Best wishes to everyone and I'd like to thank the admins and owners for the time they put into bringing the game for everyone. Pang this includes you. While ingame I didn't like you very much. I did appreciate the time and effort you spent running the game.

Everything in this game is volunteered base. from Div Leaders to Alliance Leaders to Mods to Game Admins. Remember that to anyone that goes on a rant

anyways,
best of luck.


Now THAT is how you deal with something like this with some class. Quite a few people here could stand to take some lessons.

Silver, I don't know you well enough to know whether or not to believe you about your lack of involvement. If you know who I am, then on the one hand you know that I absolutely despised the old RD's cheating. But on the other hand, I was told months ago by someone whom I trust very much that you were one RDer I could absolutely trust.

If you're being honest, it is a shame to see you go. Not many people (especially here, it seems) would display the civility you displayed with this post. And whether or not you're being genuine, thank you for trying to reintroduce some sanity regarding this issue.