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Jun 29th 2012, 6:43:39

Originally posted by Warster:

it wont be introduced to ffa

Hopefully I helped with the test did not care for it but I see how it can help small tags vs large ones

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Jun 29th 2012, 10:28:03

In the post it says "ALL" servers. Are you sure about that warster?

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Jun 29th 2012, 11:25:31

well qz and pang have always told me they wouldnt do changes to FFA without talking to FFA people due to the fact FFA is different to all other servers. so who knows

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Jun 29th 2012, 12:36:04

would you mind double-checking that for us please warster :P

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Jun 29th 2012, 14:58:22

i like the idea of ramping % killed a lot more than the idea of reducing % killed based on defence

ironically this change matters a lot less for ffa because everyone who wants to fight can have 16 countries, and you only need about half that to get 1 kill

so worst case someone who lost a few countries would have about 8 do one kill then 5 fail on a second kill if they didnt work with at least one other person, but if you really can only kill by yourself you can just use 8/13 of your turns and have 18/13 tomorrow then do 2 kills then yourself, leaving 2/13 leftover and so on

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Jun 29th 2012, 23:09:58

Sounds like a good change

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Jun 30th 2012, 0:04:24

so your saying it's gonna take like 960 turns for a kill vs 4-500 tops

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Jun 30th 2012, 1:39:06

so in basic English that means fluff hits the fan and you end up using more turns to kill with?

Whats the point in warring then if its going to take you 16 countries to get one kill? (btw thats a figure of speach)

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Jun 30th 2012, 1:51:55

i agree, it might be time to throw in the towel

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Jun 30th 2012, 3:57:07

sigh

make a change people threaten to leave, don't do changes people threaten to leave.

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qzjul

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Jun 30th 2012, 13:56:56

It should take between 200 and 300 hits to make a kill;

In AlphaFFA i was making kills on 30kA cashers with 850k pop in about 240 hits for ones with low def (1:1 turrets:pop) and about 275 hits for ones with high def (5:1 turrets:pop)

Smaller countries of course go faster; 225 hits for a medium sized farmer with decent defense for example.

Something with no def that is small or medium could come in well under the 200 mark.

Edited By: qzjul on Jun 30th 2012, 14:00:12
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synoder

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Jun 30th 2012, 14:15:28

ok so if they dont get online to wall then it is pretty much the same.

Crippler ICD

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Jun 30th 2012, 21:24:09

so all you gotta do is get on and buy defence and it slows kill rate

what if kill run is GS buying turrets will slow kill rate?

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synoder

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Jun 30th 2012, 21:43:02

I asked that in the other thread and he said that it was specific to the attack type. So buying turrets on a gs would not make any difference.

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Jun 30th 2012, 22:04:31

idk it seems like a great change for single country servers where keeping your single country alive is a little more important. i dont see any issues with the way FFA is working. those extra 20-30 hits it takes is not going to make any difference from a walling perspective when you have 4 people with 5 tabs set on a target. its just going to lower the amount of kills you can get with a set amount of turns. so yes it will make wars last longer but in the end wont help a fast kill run

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Jun 30th 2012, 22:08:44

blah blah, boring bonus points blah blah..........

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Jun 30th 2012, 22:15:35

I guess NBK can share the love after next set when their war next set is done with. (depending on who the war) lol

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Jun 30th 2012, 22:24:39

we are netting next set and letting some other sucker figure it out ;)

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Jun 30th 2012, 22:28:53

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Jun 30th 2012, 23:32:53

sure syn ;) lol

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Jul 1st 2012, 20:11:48

So yes, it's being implemented here ;) and you guys can tell me how it works. Honestly, yea, I don't really expect it to change FFA much; you guys use too many countries too quickly to make a HUGE difference; that said, if you have a pet country, you might be able to make it last longer (like if you are doing pyramid to one country)

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Jul 1st 2012, 20:16:19

Originally posted by synoder:

we are netting next set and letting some other sucker figure it out ;)

LMAO.. Good idea!~

Thanks for posting here, qz...

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Jul 1st 2012, 20:16:50

Finally did the signature thing.

pollex

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Jul 3rd 2012, 3:00:07

welp, unfortunately doesn't that also make it more difficult to kill a sucider who stays online way to much to be healthy?

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Jul 3rd 2012, 15:39:08

Possibly, except it also makes it harder for suiciders to do special attacks to damage you...

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Jul 3rd 2012, 18:04:16

This is going to be bad.

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Jul 4th 2012, 16:55:20

it potentially can make it a *lot* harder for suiciders to do damage to you, depending on your country build.
Having helped test this, there's no guarantee that the change will work as intended in all situations which is why we are going to want examples of anything really odd that might pop up. I will say that we have tested this a lot more extensively than the restart changes or any change prior to this one so hopefully there will be no issues.

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