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Oct 31st 2023, 14:07:53

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Now go ahead and brag about your material wealth and how you don’t care because you are leaving now to “go work on my gosh darn pickup truck” bye Ektar we will see you in a month or two when you do this for the 5th or 6th time


Quit making personal attacks on people. THIS IS A GAME. It’s a game. It’s a game. It’s a game man. Relax.

Secondly. I’m a full time father of young twin girls. Their mom is a junky. Im as sensitive as a 260lb man can get for these reasons. You’re making blind PERSONAL attacks because you’re reaching for straws. Just stop. It’s a game. Just stop.



I like how you guys mess with everyone and then act super soft once people start messing with you back lmao

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 14:13:10

Originally posted by AndrewMose:
This seems to have gotten out of hand. I'm not here to attack or blame anyone. So let's just move on and finish the set strong. Ektar, you and I are at war so let's see who comes out on top. I wish you the worst of luck, may you not receive any missiles for the rest of the set :).

As far as the idea of me asking for it with low defense. I had plenty of defense to prevent retals from anyone that I was attacking. And I had plenty of offense to make it evident that I could retal any landgrab that came my way. ROR's always lead to lower finishes for both parties. This is just another example.



What metrics determine who “wins” a war? People always talking sht on here about whooping each other or “winning”. So I know, what metrics determine the “win”?

Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 14:14:03

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Cathankins ,

Is Andrew a bully for farming weaker countries than him all set?

Why is it ok for netters to farm weak countries into oblivion but not get farmed themselves?


x2. It's what I've always said. I always find it funny when Cath pulls this stunt. Also Cath might be being a bit disingenuous with his reply here (unless his views have drastically changed) as in the past he justifies the farming of not very good players because he believes they are not sentient, as can be seen below. Which take it as you may, seems pretty harsh.
But let it be known, I'm not defending Ektar personally as I have myself been one of his victims, and can say I'm not a fan of the guy. And I am also a big fan of AndrewMose and think he is an exceptional player and wish him nothing but good luck. But as far as the dynamics of the game go, if you want to take the risk in Primary of sitting on virtually no Def vs. the land you have, that's your prerogative, but other players are well within their right to LG you if they wish to do so.


Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by LightBringer:
Cathankins, dude, seriously, take a chill pill. You think that because Tmac is a good player he's not allowed to be LGd? That he has some protection the rest of us don't have because he is good? Of the 18 sets he has played here he has won 11 of them, so please, tell me where Tmac has been greifed every set, and fyi, a couple of LG's aint griefing, or your all bloody greifers. 99% of the players in Primary who've been here for years haven't won the server once, with more then half of those just getting farmed to death each set and still return to play set after set for god knows what reason. Tmac is not a victim here, and I'm almost certain you don't speak for him. Where's your morality when low and mid tier players get farmed ruthlessly huh? Where's your morality when Tmac, or any of the top players (myself included) hit the same country a ton of times in a single set?
Lets look at your last set, you hit: Wolf 359 (#72) x 4, Acetryc (#75) x 3, Bort (#85) x 3, EE Oil Company (#60) x 4, Bretz (#54) x 4








I can’t give you an honest answer on this or I will be deleted.


From what I can tell running a rainbow set after set after set when every single player in the game says not to do that tells me that isn’t sentient behavior.


That’s why I farm some counties and send apologies to all of the others. I assume those are mod land farms or NPC’s that I don’t personally feel are sentient based on my beliefs.


Sorry if that offends everyone. I got deleted for speaking about my religion before so I will drop that convo. But if you want an answer that’s the honest answer. If I don’t detect sentiment behavior I assume that it’s not there.


/bonus




Yes, my guess are super, super zionist/zohar/kabala etc, yes I was banned for speaking about this prior so I won’t get into it much.


Calm it with the anti semitism LB. don’t make me pull the victim card as well lol

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 14:21:50

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Now go ahead and brag about your material wealth and how you don’t care because you are leaving now to “go work on my gosh darn pickup truck” bye Ektar we will see you in a month or two when you do this for the 5th or 6th time


Quit making personal attacks on people. THIS IS A GAME. It’s a game. It’s a game. It’s a game man. Relax.

Secondly. I’m a full time father of young twin girls. Their mom is a junky. Im as sensitive as a 260lb man can get for these reasons. You’re making blind PERSONAL attacks because you’re reaching for straws. Just stop. It’s a game. Just stop.



I like how you guys mess with everyone and then act super soft once people start messing with you back lmao


Dude, you’re the 1 that came here bringing up my name and talking nonsense.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 14:23:10

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Now go ahead and brag about your material wealth and how you don’t care because you are leaving now to “go work on my gosh darn pickup truck” bye Ektar we will see you in a month or two when you do this for the 5th or 6th time


Quit making personal attacks on people. THIS IS A GAME. It’s a game. It’s a game. It’s a game man. Relax.

Secondly. I’m a full time father of young twin girls. Their mom is a junky. Im as sensitive as a 260lb man can get for these reasons. You’re making blind PERSONAL attacks because you’re reaching for straws. Just stop. It’s a game. Just stop.



I like how you guys mess with everyone and then act super soft once people start messing with you back lmao


You are 100% solely responsible for this, for that reason.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 14:25:21

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by AndrewMose:
This seems to have gotten out of hand. I'm not here to attack or blame anyone. So let's just move on and finish the set strong. Ektar, you and I are at war so let's see who comes out on top. I wish you the worst of luck, may you not receive any missiles for the rest of the set :).

As far as the idea of me asking for it with low defense. I had plenty of defense to prevent retals from anyone that I was attacking. And I had plenty of offense to make it evident that I could retal any landgrab that came my way. ROR's always lead to lower finishes for both parties. This is just another example.



What metrics determine who “wins” a war? People always talking sht on here about whooping each other or “winning”. So I know, what metrics determine the “win”?


Secondly, I was able to standard strike you while still being over 2:1 turret to jet…just want to note that. :-)

Chevs

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Oct 31st 2023, 14:34:08

Some rough math says he was sitting on like 3 m turrets if you were an 8m break.

3m * 200 percent ally * 130 weapons (guess) = 7.8


That’s way too greedy and way too low for 40k acres. I get it that you guys want to min/max but come on.

banking on someone not messing with you because of some made up ROR crap that you are entitled to is just asking for it.
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Oct 31st 2023, 15:05:33

Chevs I had ~6M turrets the first time he grabbed me and around 9M the 2nd time. I don't think Ektar meant that I was an 8M break...because based on his 8% jets lost in the PS he sent 9.95M the first time and 11.3M the 2nd.

I don't feel entitled to not being RORed I'm just entitled to a FS if someone breaks GDI on me. That's just the game mechanics. And if you are trying to finish as high as possible then giving someone of similar NW to you the opportunity at an FS isn't typically going to work out in your favor. And maybe in this situation the FS wasn't that valuable because I had to take a couple days to war prep. We shall see.

Regarding who wins a war...I don't have a good answer there. Nobody is going to record a kill in primary. In my opinion both sides lose. But I imagine the best metric is ending NW.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 15:37:49

Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Chevs I had ~6M turrets the first time he grabbed me and around 9M the 2nd time. I don't think Ektar meant that I was an 8M break...because based on his 8% jets lost in the PS he sent 9.95M the first time and 11.3M the 2nd.

I don't feel entitled to not being RORed I'm just entitled to a FS if someone breaks GDI on me. That's just the game mechanics. And if you are trying to finish as high as possible then giving someone of similar NW to you the opportunity at an FS isn't typically going to work out in your favor. And maybe in this situation the FS wasn't that valuable because I had to take a couple days to war prep. We shall see.

Regarding who wins a war...I don't have a good answer there. Nobody is going to record a kill in primary. In my opinion both sides lose. But I imagine the best metric is ending NW.



You’re a better player than I. You would have finished with a higher NW regardless of whether we netted or warred. I think the gap will be smaller this way than the other. I have zero issues with admitting someone is better at this game than I am. A lot of people likely are. And I’m ok with that. I try to get a little enjoyment out of it here & there when life permits. But I’ve never claimed to be good, let alone better than anyone else. I think a lot of people here get hung up on that.

Just a game. Games are for fun.

Chevs

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Oct 31st 2023, 16:42:35

Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.

It’s a different situation but this “I get 1:1 for free” entitlement nonsense needs to stop. Especially when everyone is farming the hell out of noobs all set. Go ahead and try to retal but some players just won’t put up with it and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I’m not saying you did anything wrong, he could have easily kept going and forced a war anyway.


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Oct 31st 2023, 17:01:01

Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.

It’s a different situation but this “I get 1:1 for free” entitlement nonsense needs to stop. Especially when everyone is farming the hell out of noobs all set. Go ahead and try to retal but some players just won’t put up with it and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I’m not saying you did anything wrong, he could have easily kept going and forced a war anyway.




1:1 Is not "entitlement", it's expected, it's always been that way, 90% of us will go to war over a RoR, it's also expected, not an entitlement just like when we break GDI, we aren't entitled to it, we take a calculated risk and if that calculated risk fails we expect retaliation at the discretion of who we break GDI with, don't call everything you see an entitlement, that's far from the reality.

Edited By: KoHeartsGPA on Oct 31st 2023, 17:05:07
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Oct 31st 2023, 17:03:13

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AndrewMose Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 17:53:51

Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.


No, in this case he actually grabbed me twice before the first retal. After his first grab I took another day of bottom feeding and then added turrets. I tried not to jump too much NW so I could stay within humanitarian range of a few targets. When I retaled I noticed he hadn't built any of the land he took from me. So I basically knew at that time that this was going to be a war. But even then instead of war prepping after my retal I built the land and spent $ on bus/res tech. That's why it took a few days of waiting to fill up my turns storage for me to take the FS.

I don't think I could have won without taking the retal. If we had left it at that I probably would have been neck and neck with the top 2. Gestapo probably has a 80% chance of winning now with Deus Ex Machina the remaining 20%.

Chevs

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Oct 31st 2023, 17:59:24

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

1:1 Is not "entitlement", it's expected, it's always been that way, 90% of us will go to war over a RoR, it's also expected, not an entitlement just like when we break GDI, we aren't entitled to it, we take a calculated risk and if that calculated risk fails we expect retaliation at the discretion of who we break GDI with, don't call everything you see an entitlement, that's far from the reality.


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.
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Chevs

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:00:03

Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.


No, in this case he actually grabbed me twice before the first retal. After his first grab I took another day of bottom feeding and then added turrets. I tried not to jump too much NW so I could stay within humanitarian range of a few targets. When I retaled I noticed he hadn't built any of the land he took from me. So I basically knew at that time that this was going to be a war. But even then instead of war prepping after my retal I built the land and spent $ on bus/res tech. That's why it took a few days of waiting to fill up my turns storage for me to take the FS.

I don't think I could have won without taking the retal. If we had left it at that I probably would have been neck and neck with the top 2. Gestapo probably has a 80% chance of winning now with Deus Ex Machina the remaining 20%.



oh , well then yeah. he decided you were warring and/or farmland.
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Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:05:41

Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.


No, in this case he actually grabbed me twice before the first retal. After his first grab I took another day of bottom feeding and then added turrets. I tried not to jump too much NW so I could stay within humanitarian range of a few targets. When I retaled I noticed he hadn't built any of the land he took from me. So I basically knew at that time that this was going to be a war. But even then instead of war prepping after my retal I built the land and spent $ on bus/res tech. That's why it took a few days of waiting to fill up my turns storage for me to take the FS.

I don't think I could have won without taking the retal. If we had left it at that I probably would have been neck and neck with the top 2. Gestapo probably has a 80% chance of winning now with Deus Ex Machina the remaining 20%.


Not completely accurate. I was spying you daily and watching you stockpile jets. I built what I could with the money I had. I can’t just make $ every turn like you, and my military has been stuck on the market more often than not for a month now. So to say it was my plan all along isn’t accurate. Furthermore, I’m right here, you can ask me without
Making an assumption.

Furthermore more lol, I also saw you starting to stockpile warfare tech. So, with an EDUCATED guess on what your intentions were, with the evidence I had… I figured my best plan at that point was just to continue to grab you daily. I was over 2:1 turrets to jets, you were the opposite and you still needed to buy 10M+ jets to break me the 1 time you were able to. IN MY OPINION, that’s not a “functional” retaliation hit. Again, that is just my opinion.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:07:45

Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.


No, in this case he actually grabbed me twice before the first retal. After his first grab I took another day of bottom feeding and then added turrets. I tried not to jump too much NW so I could stay within humanitarian range of a few targets. When I retaled I noticed he hadn't built any of the land he took from me. So I basically knew at that time that this was going to be a war. But even then instead of war prepping after my retal I built the land and spent $ on bus/res tech. That's why it took a few days of waiting to fill up my turns storage for me to take the FS.

I don't think I could have won without taking the retal. If we had left it at that I probably would have been neck and neck with the top 2. Gestapo probably has a 80% chance of winning now with Deus Ex Machina the remaining 20%.



oh , well then yeah. he decided you were warring and/or farmland.


Inaccurate. Refer to explanation.

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:15:31

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.


No, in this case he actually grabbed me twice before the first retal. After his first grab I took another day of bottom feeding and then added turrets. I tried not to jump too much NW so I could stay within humanitarian range of a few targets. When I retaled I noticed he hadn't built any of the land he took from me. So I basically knew at that time that this was going to be a war. But even then instead of war prepping after my retal I built the land and spent $ on bus/res tech. That's why it took a few days of waiting to fill up my turns storage for me to take the FS.

I don't think I could have won without taking the retal. If we had left it at that I probably would have been neck and neck with the top 2. Gestapo probably has a 80% chance of winning now with Deus Ex Machina the remaining 20%.


Not completely accurate. I was spying you daily and watching you stockpile jets. I built what I could with the money I had. I can’t just make $ every turn like you, and my military has been stuck on the market more often than not for a month now. So to say it was my plan all along isn’t accurate. Furthermore, I’m right here, you can ask me without
Making an assumption.

Furthermore more lol, I also saw you starting to stockpile warfare tech. So, with an EDUCATED guess on what your intentions were, with the evidence I had… I figured my best plan at that point was just to continue to grab you daily. I was over 2:1 turrets to jets, you were the opposite and you still needed to buy 10M+ jets to break me the 1 time you were able to. IN MY OPINION, that’s not a “functional” retaliation hit. Again, that is just my opinion.


My point is none of this is functional. You couldn't truly expect me to be farmland. Both of us were going to finish in the top 5. Now neither of us are going to finish in the top 10.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:16:23

Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.

It’s a different situation but this “I get 1:1 for free” entitlement nonsense needs to stop. Especially when everyone is farming the hell out of noobs all set. Go ahead and try to retal but some players just won’t put up with it and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I’m not saying you did anything wrong, he could have easily kept going and forced a war anyway.




I’m inclined to agree with you on the “retal” piece. Idk if “entitlement” is the best word, but the point is the same nonetheless & I agree with you.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:20:50

Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by AndrewMose:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Andrew I think you could have won the game if you didn’t retal and he stopped at 1 grab, but maybe he woulda kept going idk impossible to say.


No, in this case he actually grabbed me twice before the first retal. After his first grab I took another day of bottom feeding and then added turrets. I tried not to jump too much NW so I could stay within humanitarian range of a few targets. When I retaled I noticed he hadn't built any of the land he took from me. So I basically knew at that time that this was going to be a war. But even then instead of war prepping after my retal I built the land and spent $ on bus/res tech. That's why it took a few days of waiting to fill up my turns storage for me to take the FS.

I don't think I could have won without taking the retal. If we had left it at that I probably would have been neck and neck with the top 2. Gestapo probably has a 80% chance of winning now with Deus Ex Machina the remaining 20%.


Not completely accurate. I was spying you daily and watching you stockpile jets. I built what I could with the money I had. I can’t just make $ every turn like you, and my military has been stuck on the market more often than not for a month now. So to say it was my plan all along isn’t accurate. Furthermore, I’m right here, you can ask me without
Making an assumption.

Furthermore more lol, I also saw you starting to stockpile warfare tech. So, with an EDUCATED guess on what your intentions were, with the evidence I had… I figured my best plan at that point was just to continue to grab you daily. I was over 2:1 turrets to jets, you were the opposite and you still needed to buy 10M+ jets to break me the 1 time you were able to. IN MY OPINION, that’s not a “functional” retaliation hit. Again, that is just my opinion.


My point is none of this is functional. You couldn't truly expect me to be farmland. Both of us were going to finish in the top 5. Now neither of us are going to finish in the top 10.


I didn’t expect you to be farmland anymore than any of the folks you’ve landgrabbed all set. I was content with the 1 grab. It was the fact I watched you prepare to retaliate, leaving yourself virtually defenseless that prompted the additional grabs. Then when I saw the warefare stockpiling I determined the best plan at that point was to take what little money I had(since my units weren’t selling) to buy sdi vs building the vacant land and then dropping the vacant land to maximize the sdi.

Very logical move at that point, as far as I’m concerned.

ANYWAY, here we are.

A little over an hour out from picking the midgets up from school & trick or treating. Twins are ghosts, dad is a ghostbuster.

Happy Halloween

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:24:01

"It was the fact I watched you prepare to retaliate, leaving yourself virtually defenseless" I had more defense on the 2nd attack than when you first attacked me. It is what it is, and we don't have to agree on the timeline or fight over who was correct.

Enjoy trick or treating. I will be taking my 4 kiddos around later tonight also.

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:36:04

Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

1:1 Is not "entitlement", it's expected, it's always been that way, 90% of us will go to war over a RoR, it's also expected, not an entitlement just like when we break GDI, we aren't entitled to it, we take a calculated risk and if that calculated risk fails we expect retaliation at the discretion of who we break GDI with, don't call everything you see an entitlement, that's far from the reality.


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?
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Oct 31st 2023, 18:42:08

Happy Halloween everyone, I won't be out and about for obvious reasons but I will be scaring trick or treaters with my hairless face, not eye lashes, no eyebrows, no hair at all
maybe I should put red contacts LOL

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Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 18:42:48

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

1:1 Is not "entitlement", it's expected, it's always been that way, 90% of us will go to war over a RoR, it's also expected, not an entitlement just like when we break GDI, we aren't entitled to it, we take a calculated risk and if that calculated risk fails we expect retaliation at the discretion of who we break GDI with, don't call everything you see an entitlement, that's far from the reality.


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?


That Cat dude has kinda been crying a little.

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Oct 31st 2023, 19:07:18

Originally posted by Chevs:

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.


Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

....


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?


Why do you say everyone is crying? You told me not to even think about attacking you or you would "jihad" me because you DH'd and didn't want to be punished. And then I wiped you with my FS while you asked on discord how you were supposed to solo war again, lol.

I always hold out hope that people will accept their retals, so we can get to the destock phase but it's a war game (in primary at least), so people can do as they wish. That said, it's a pattern for Ektar and Chevs where they'd rather ruin someone else's finish once they're bored or have other things in life. Ektar has used that excuse that someone was growing and looked menacing to multitap people in the past, when really he just starts a war and then runs off to his "real life" leaving our virtual lives a shamble like the large, sensitive man that he is (apparently). Chevs just outright lies and says "oops, I didn't mean to hit you twice, go ahead and take the second retal" just so he can break GDI and go to war. Nothing against it in the rules, but most people are going to drag you on the forums for being the non-skilled losers (in virtual life) that you are =Þ

Obviously, we (I kind of speak for AndrewMose and other netters, but mostly myself) have played this game long enough that it's only a minor setback, and most of my comments here are flippant, but being a rep (or even a demo) in primary is like a 50/50 chance you get griefed by someone who has little to gain and doesn't even plan on finishing out their set. So while it's a game, it's akin to someone flipping the board or taking their ball and going home, and it removes a lot of the fun.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 19:32:51

Originally posted by Tertius:
Originally posted by Chevs:

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.


Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

....


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?


Why do you say everyone is crying? You told me not to even think about attacking you or you would "jihad" me because you DH'd and didn't want to be punished. And then I wiped you with my FS while you asked on discord how you were supposed to solo war again, lol.

I always hold out hope that people will accept their retals, so we can get to the destock phase but it's a war game (in primary at least), so people can do as they wish. That said, it's a pattern for Ektar and Chevs where they'd rather ruin someone else's finish once they're bored or have other things in life. Ektar has used that excuse that someone was growing and looked menacing to multitap people in the past, when really he just starts a war and then runs off to his "real life" leaving our virtual lives a shamble like the large, sensitive man that he is (apparently). Chevs just outright lies and says "oops, I didn't mean to hit you twice, go ahead and take the second retal" just so he can break GDI and go to war. Nothing against it in the rules, but most people are going to drag you on the forums for being the non-skilled losers (in virtual life) that you are =Þ

Obviously, we (I kind of speak for AndrewMose and other netters, but mostly myself) have played this game long enough that it's only a minor setback, and most of my comments here are flippant, but being a rep (or even a demo) in primary is like a 50/50 chance you get griefed by someone who has little to gain and doesn't even plan on finishing out their set. So while it's a game, it's akin to someone flipping the board or taking their ball and going home, and it removes a lot of the fun.


Get over it. It’s a game.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 19:35:29

Originally posted by Tertius:
Originally posted by Chevs:

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.


Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

....


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?


Why do you say everyone is crying? You told me not to even think about attacking you or you would "jihad" me because you DH'd and didn't want to be punished. And then I wiped you with my FS while you asked on discord how you were supposed to solo war again, lol.

I always hold out hope that people will accept their retals, so we can get to the destock phase but it's a war game (in primary at least), so people can do as they wish. That said, it's a pattern for Ektar and Chevs where they'd rather ruin someone else's finish once they're bored or have other things in life. Ektar has used that excuse that someone was growing and looked menacing to multitap people in the past, when really he just starts a war and then runs off to his "real life" leaving our virtual lives a shamble like the large, sensitive man that he is (apparently). Chevs just outright lies and says "oops, I didn't mean to hit you twice, go ahead and take the second retal" just so he can break GDI and go to war. Nothing against it in the rules, but most people are going to drag you on the forums for being the non-skilled losers (in virtual life) that you are =Þ

Obviously, we (I kind of speak for AndrewMose and other netters, but mostly myself) have played this game long enough that it's only a minor setback, and most of my comments here are flippant, but being a rep (or even a demo) in primary is like a 50/50 chance you get griefed by someone who has little to gain and doesn't even plan on finishing out their set. So while it's a game, it's akin to someone flipping the board or taking their ball and going home, and it removes a lot of the fun.


Cathankins
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Oct 9th 2023, 11:33:25
I am currently prepping my country for all jetter mass suicide the last few weeks. Warfare status: high


Target: big fat commie



This ^

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 19:38:29

You, nor anyone else had anything to say when this goof was saying this.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 19:57:20

Originally posted by Cathankins:
I am currently prepping my country for all jetter mass suicide the last few weeks. Warfare status: high


Target: big fat commie



[quote poster=Cathankins; 52105; 1023301]“ Some people take this game waaaay too seriously. He’s clearly one of them. I can appreciate the passion, im passionate about some things. This game just isn’t one of them. I’ll spend all weekend out fishing on a frozen lake up here in NW wisco. Spend the night. Love that sht. I’ve got a real passion for it. Passion is good. So I can at least appreciate that.”


You spend months building counties and then dodge war fighters to attack guys you know are passionate about netting. It’s sadism, you are a bully who find it amusing to make others suffer. We all know the type.

Last time you did that our were “building a shed” and not interested in this game. Amusing how you always have a story ready as well to explain why you spend months working on something that you clearly aren’t interested in.




Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Wait, there's already frozen lakes in Wisconsin??? Faaaaak!


No. Not yet. Earliest I’ve ever been out was nov 6th. 1.5” of ice. I’m a big ass dude too, 6’3 260, so it was pretty sketchy. Hah



That makes a lot of sense ^^^ did you also bully nerds in high school in this same fashion? I am curious if you have always had this behavioral characteristic of targetting people specifically weaker then yourself to hurt? That’s definitely and interesting behavioral trait you have there.


Alaska is a big place huh? Lot of land and privacy there I hear [/t
Originally posted by Cathankins:
“ Some people take this game waaaay too seriously. He’s clearly one of them. I can appreciate the passion, im passionate about some things. This game just isn’t one of them. I’ll spend all weekend out fishing on a frozen lake up here in NW wisco. Spend the night. Love that sht. I’ve got a real passion for it. Passion is good. So I can at least appreciate that.”


You spend months building counties and then dodge war fighters to attack guys you know are passionate about netting. It’s sadism, you are a bully who find it amusing to make others suffer. We all know the type.

Last time you did that our were “building a shed” and not interested in this game. Amusing how you always have a story ready as well to explain why you spend months working on something that you clearly aren’t interested in.




Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Wait, there's already frozen lakes in Wisconsin??? Faaaaak!


No. Not yet. Earliest I’ve ever been out was nov 6th. 1.5” of ice. I’m a big ass dude too, 6’3 260, so it was pretty sketchy. Hah



That makes a lot of sense ^^^ did you also bully nerds in high school in this same fashion? I am curious if you have always had this behavioral characteristic of targetting people specifically weaker then yourself to hurt? That’s definitely and interesting behavioral trait you have there.


Alaska is a big place huh? Lot of land and privacy there I hear

Chevs

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Oct 31st 2023, 21:06:11

Originally posted by Tertius:
Chevs just outright lies and says "oops, I didn't mean to hit you twice, go ahead and take the second retal" just so he can break GDI and go to war.


HA HA HA
HA
HA HA
HA

lmao Busted. Durka durka. muhammed jihad.

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En4cer: Chevs... u would have beaten me by more than 100m

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Oct 31st 2023, 21:11:08

/me eats candy corn
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
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Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 23:01:10

Are you really crying about how cool I am now lol

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Oct 31st 2023, 23:03:40

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Tertius:
Originally posted by Chevs:

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.


Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

....


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?


Why do you say everyone is crying? You told me not to even think about attacking you or you would "jihad" me because you DH'd and didn't want to be punished. And then I wiped you with my FS while you asked on discord how you were supposed to solo war again, lol.

I always hold out hope that people will accept their retals, so we can get to the destock phase but it's a war game (in primary at least), so people can do as they wish. That said, it's a pattern for Ektar and Chevs where they'd rather ruin someone else's finish once they're bored or have other things in life. Ektar has used that excuse that someone was growing and looked menacing to multitap people in the past, when really he just starts a war and then runs off to his "real life" leaving our virtual lives a shamble like the large, sensitive man that he is (apparently). Chevs just outright lies and says "oops, I didn't mean to hit you twice, go ahead and take the second retal" just so he can break GDI and go to war. Nothing against it in the rules, but most people are going to drag you on the forums for being the non-skilled losers (in virtual life) that you are =Þ

Obviously, we (I kind of speak for AndrewMose and other netters, but mostly myself) have played this game long enough that it's only a minor setback, and most of my comments here are flippant, but being a rep (or even a demo) in primary is like a 50/50 chance you get griefed by someone who has little to gain and doesn't even plan on finishing out their set. So while it's a game, it's akin to someone flipping the board or taking their ball and going home, and it removes a lot of the fun.


Get over it. It’s a game.



*its a game until people start messing with me back and then I turn super soft and start crying

Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 23:09:32

Originally posted by Tertius:
Originally posted by Chevs:

Tertius retalled me last set for like 3k acres 50 days after a DH and expected me not to RoR too then cried after I grabbed him 5x and forced him to war.


Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

....


thats fine but then don't cry about war if its the inevitable outcome. you have the choice to not take the retal as well.


I don't think anyone is crying....who's crying?


Why do you say everyone is crying? You told me not to even think about attacking you or you would "jihad" me because you DH'd and didn't want to be punished. And then I wiped you with my FS while you asked on discord how you were supposed to solo war again, lol.

I always hold out hope that people will accept their retals, so we can get to the destock phase but it's a war game (in primary at least), so people can do as they wish. That said, it's a pattern for Ektar and Chevs where they'd rather ruin someone else's finish once they're bored or have other things in life. Ektar has used that excuse that someone was growing and looked menacing to multitap people in the past, when really he just starts a war and then runs off to his "real life" leaving our virtual lives a shamble like the large, sensitive man that he is (apparently). Chevs just outright lies and says "oops, I didn't mean to hit you twice, go ahead and take the second retal" just so he can break GDI and go to war. Nothing against it in the rules, but most people are going to drag you on the forums for being the non-skilled losers (in virtual life) that you are =Þ

Obviously, we (I kind of speak for AndrewMose and other netters, but mostly myself) have played this game long enough that it's only a minor setback, and most of my comments here are flippant, but being a rep (or even a demo) in primary is like a 50/50 chance you get griefed by someone who has little to gain and doesn't even plan on finishing out their set. So while it's a game, it's akin to someone flipping the board or taking their ball and going home, and it removes a lot of the fun.




Well said tert. Where I am from it is not about the game it’s actually about the respect.


If someone comes up and spits on your face during a football game, the game doesn’t matter anymore. The disrespect does.


This is why I mess with Nectar, I see he likes to mess with people in that same manner and then hide behind “it’s a game”. And then start acting super feminine and crying when people say something about his behavior.


It’s not about the game, it’s about you entering games specifically to try and hurt your fellow man.


Sure it’s a game. But it’s also to tell he is an abusive man that finds it amusing to hurt people.


Isn’t that funny how defensive he gets but expects people to just stand silently while he abuses them?





Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 23:21:08

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Now go ahead and brag about your material wealth and how you don’t care because you are leaving now to “go work on my gosh darn pickup truck” bye Ektar we will see you in a month or two when you do this for the 5th or 6th time


Quit making personal attacks on people. THIS IS A GAME. It’s a game. It’s a game. It’s a game man. Relax.

Secondly. I’m a full time father of young twin girls. Their mom is a junky. Im as sensitive as a 260lb man can get for these reasons. You’re making blind PERSONAL attacks because you’re reaching for straws. Just stop. It’s a game. Just stop.



Interesting how even when describing the mother of your child, you do it in an abusive way.

Maybe that’s why she self medicates? I know dealing with abuse can cause anxiety that a lot of abusive do find comfort in medication. I am just playing devils advocate. My instinct isn’t to abuse people In need of help it is to help them.


Let me guess, you brought this up, and now you will blame me for replying? That this is too off limits and “just a game!!!”


Please leave the personal details out of the game unless you want it to become a part of the convo.

You mentioned this in private messages and that’s why I didn’t bring it up here ;-)


I’m
Curious if you will play the victim now after introducing this to the Convo

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 23:42:52

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Now go ahead and brag about your material wealth and how you don’t care because you are leaving now to “go work on my gosh darn pickup truck” bye Ektar we will see you in a month or two when you do this for the 5th or 6th time


Quit making personal attacks on people. THIS IS A GAME. It’s a game. It’s a game. It’s a game man. Relax.

Secondly. I’m a full time father of young twin girls. Their mom is a junky. Im as sensitive as a 260lb man can get for these reasons. You’re making blind PERSONAL attacks because you’re reaching for straws. Just stop. It’s a game. Just stop.



Interesting how even when describing the mother of your child, you do it in an abusive way.

Maybe that’s why she self medicates? I know dealing with abuse can cause anxiety that a lot of abusive do find comfort in medication. I am just playing devils advocate. My instinct isn’t to abuse people In need of help it is to help them.


Let me guess, you brought this up, and now you will blame me for replying? That this is too off limits and “just a game!!!”


Please leave the personal details out of the game unless you want it to become a part of the convo.

You mentioned this in private messages and that’s why I didn’t bring it up here ;-)


I’m
Curious if you will play the victim now after introducing this to the Convo



Literally nothing you say at this point means anything. Zero credibility.

Completely contradicted yourself with ingame messages
Compared to your forum posts.

Then hypocritically calling people abusive and bully’s for ruining a netgainers set after posting how you’re openly stocking jets to suicide the top netgaining Indy.

Zero credibility.

Ektar Game profile

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Oct 31st 2023, 23:48:41

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Now go ahead and brag about your material wealth and how you don’t care because you are leaving now to “go work on my gosh darn pickup truck” bye Ektar we will see you in a month or two when you do this for the 5th or 6th time


Quit making personal attacks on people. THIS IS A GAME. It’s a game. It’s a game. It’s a game man. Relax.

Secondly. I’m a full time father of young twin girls. Their mom is a junky. Im as sensitive as a 260lb man can get for these reasons. You’re making blind PERSONAL attacks because you’re reaching for straws. Just stop. It’s a game. Just stop.



Interesting how even when describing the mother of your child, you do it in an abusive way.

Maybe that’s why she self medicates? I know dealing with abuse can cause anxiety that a lot of abusive do find comfort in medication. I am just playing devils advocate. My instinct isn’t to abuse people In need of help it is to help them.


Let me guess, you brought this up, and now you will blame me for replying? That this is too off limits and “just a game!!!”


Please leave the personal details out of the game unless you want it to become a part of the convo.

You mentioned this in private messages and that’s why I didn’t bring it up here ;-)


I’m
Curious if you will play the victim now after introducing this to the Convo



Secondly, I see you trying to impose your narrative of me being abusive and a bully by calling the mother of my children a junky. But calling someone a “junky” that was arrested for owi with the children in the car and then lost custody because those kids found the needles that she was using to inject meth hidden throughout the house, is actually very conservative and politically correct.

You clearly have some mental health issues yourself. I’ve had my own over the years so it’s easy for me to recognize.

I wouldn’t call injecting meth medicating… I genuinely hope you don’t either and you’re just trying to stick to your guns with your narrative.

Anywho, I’m done bantering with you. Zero credibility. Anyone else I’ll gladly banter with, until you contradict yourself to the extent this goon has.

Chevs

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:05:54

this is getting uncomfortable

TLDR: nobody did anything wrong and we all agree no crying allowed since nobody will fess up to crying.

I think I will play a country next set ….if Allah wills it.

HA HA HA
HA
HA HA
HA
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En4cer: Chevs... u would have beaten me by more than 100m

Cathankins Game profile

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:08:47

K. Keep me posted on all that Nectar

Ektar Game profile

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:14:37

Originally posted by Cathankins:
I am currently prepping my country for all jetter mass suicide the last few weeks. Warfare status: high


Target: big fat commie

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:17:10

TBH buying warfare at this stage in the game is pretty useless and a big waste of money, you're not going to make enough missiles to do any significant damage, you're way better off buying jets or tanks.


/me sends more warfare to market
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:19:55

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
TBH buying warfare at this stage in the game is pretty useless and a big waste of money, you're not going to make enough missiles to do any significant damage, you're way better off buying jets or tanks.


/me sends more warfare to market



En Route: 29,363 Warfare on sale for $1200 each (Arrive in 5.2 hours)

Buy buy buy!
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

Ektar Game profile

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:24:28


Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
TBH buying warfare at this stage in the game is pretty useless and a big waste of money, you're not going to make enough missiles to do any significant damage, you're way better off buying jets or tanks.


/me sends more warfare to market



En Route: 29,363 Warfare on sale for $1200 each (Arrive in 5.2 hours)

Buy buy buy!


I don’t think anyone is buying warfare at this point, besides swamp.

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Nov 1st 2023, 0:28:21

Originally posted by Ektar:

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
TBH buying warfare at this stage in the game is pretty useless and a big waste of money, you're not going to make enough missiles to do any significant damage, you're way better off buying jets or tanks.


/me sends more warfare to market




En Route: 29,363 Warfare on sale for $1200 each (Arrive in 5.2 hours)

Buy buy buy!


I don’t think anyone is buying warfare at this point, besides swamp.


Nevermind, wrong read, only 44k lol, my bad

Edited By: KoHeartsGPA on Nov 1st 2023, 0:30:30
See Original Post
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

Chevs

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Nov 2nd 2023, 21:34:34

Ooh ASTRAL out superfly’d superfly

When pro vs noob retals go wrong


2023-10-24 05:20:16 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 786A (1453A)


2023-11-02 18:00:07 PS ASTRAL (#23) I R WoG SuperFly (#16) 1924A (2746A)
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En4cer: Chevs... u would have beaten me by more than 100m

now im nothing Game profile

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Nov 2nd 2023, 22:39:55

Changed my mind. :)
less defined as days go by. Fading away well you might say I am losing the focus. Kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself

SuperFly Game profile

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Nov 3rd 2023, 6:09:47

Originally posted by Chevs:
Ooh ASTRAL out superfly’d superfly

When pro vs noob retals go wrong

2023-10-24 05:20:16 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 786A (1453A)
2023-11-02 18:00:07 PS ASTRAL (#23) I R WoG SuperFly (#16) 1924A (2746A)



noobs should NEVER retal pro's. Just take the Pro's LG like a good land farm and move on.

2023-11-03 06:11:20 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 794A (1255A)
2023-11-03 06:06:03 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 1077A (1788A)
2023-11-03 06:05:33 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 1281A (2135A)
2023-11-03 06:05:22 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 1403A (2329A)

Btw, I like battle and my alerts of course are no enabled so lets dance Astral.

Edited By: SuperFly on Nov 3rd 2023, 6:16:10

now im nothing Game profile

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Nov 3rd 2023, 19:34:16

lol
less defined as days go by. Fading away well you might say I am losing the focus. Kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself

MILORD Game profile

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Nov 6th 2023, 8:56:14

Originally posted by SuperFly:
Originally posted by Chevs:
Ooh ASTRAL out superfly’d superfly

When pro vs noob retals go wrong

2023-10-24 05:20:16 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 786A (1453A)
2023-11-02 18:00:07 PS ASTRAL (#23) I R WoG SuperFly (#16) 1924A (2746A)



noobs should NEVER retal pro's. Just take the Pro's LG like a good land farm and move on.

2023-11-03 06:11:20 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 794A (1255A)
2023-11-03 06:06:03 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 1077A (1788A)
2023-11-03 06:05:33 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 1281A (2135A)
2023-11-03 06:05:22 PS I R WoG SuperFly (#16) ASTRAL (#23) 1403A (2329A)

Btw, I like battle and my alerts of course are no enabled so lets dance Astral.

As you please Mr. My country was not preparing for the top. I don’t feel sorry for it.
born in the USSR

SuperFly Game profile

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Nov 6th 2023, 13:40:38

I don’t feel sorry either. I land grabbed you 17 times. Took you long enough to retal