I'm going to paste what happened b/t helmet and I from last set in the next post. I think it is clear why war happened this set, after you read those messages.

I also want to note that SOF's CF terms last set, were for them to decide some of our pacts.

No other clan is going to bully us around and dictate pacting with other clans to me. Period. Get off your high horse, you do not run this server. If we want to be friends with another clan, we will be.

From: llaar
To: Helmet
Subject: Hi there!
Date: Jun 11th, 20:33

welcome back to the game, never really knew you before though, and not sure if you know of me, but hi! I'm llaar, president of NA, and the founder, as i started NA in 2005. i'm going to be 100% honest with you in this message here

Its been brought to my attention that people think we're aligning up sides for a war this set, and I wanted to bring to light the fact that we 100% want to net this set. we were barely tagging up 30 members 2 sets ago after 3 sets of imag FS'ing NA in a row, it really destroyed us a bit. we threw an all out reunion set last set, got up to 90 members, this set we lost a bunch that were in other clans and came back for just the reunion so we're just over 50 now. we're not in any shape to war at all right now, we rather sucked at netting last set (less than half of LAF/EVO ANW), we're reorganizing training and trying to get all the old vets and new recruits up to speed with EE strategy this set. we really need another netting set and we arent after you guys or anyone at all. i really just honestly want NA to be left alone and want no political mess at all. i heard you guys are going to FS us and we're 100% set on netting, and will die really quickly without much of a fight unfortunately, i hate to say that but its true. can we pact up with you guys, and can we please have a peaceful set?

thanks,

llaar
Netters Anonymous President



From: Helmet
To: llaar
Subject: RE: Hi there!
Date: Jun 12th, 14:50
Message Body:
Hi, we really don't know what we're doing this set. There are a lot of rumors that a coalition has formed against us and that's our focus right now. It's good to know you guys aren't part of the plot. So are you telling me the SOL/RD side hasn't talked to you about going to war with us?



From: llaar
To: Helmet
Subject: RE: RE: Hi there!
Date: Jun 12th, 15:39
Message Body:
glad you're still not sure, the rumor i heard was that it was already decided. and regardless of what we've been asked, i have made clear to anyone inquiring about war, that we want to net, and will be. thats why im messaging you when i heard my rumor. check our country builds, we are netting. :)



From: llaar
To: Helmet
Subject: RE: RE: Hi there!
Date: Jun 20th, 01:56
Message Body:
ummm ok thanks for listening to me...

i've been away all weekend and come back to 1/3rd of my clan dead? great!

what the hell dude? i approached you with complete honesty and this is what i get in return?

That's what SoF does...what did you expect? To be honest and be granted a pass for not being an A graded hole like many others?

things are simple:
1. you're honest and play by the rules, or trying to make friends through ideas that make sense = lose
2. you're an a*hole and threaten around = win

Wait, didn't NA FS SoF with mass missile countries just a few days ago? I don't understand the above in the context of current events...

edit: nm, saw that this is from before last set.

LOL douche move.

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cool story bro

and the point of all this?

NA is free to do what they want. just as SOF is free to do what it wants. I see no dishonesty here, no word being broken....

Only that SoF is claiming the FS last set was due to rumors that NA intended to FS SoF, even though anyone w/ half a desire to figure it out could clearly see that was not the case.

Personally, I don't see why SoF feels the need to justify their actions. Since when is anything more than "We wanted an easy win, and NA provided that, with a half-assed excuse that we can cling to" needed?

nothing you said has anything to do with llaars posting of personal messages here in this thread. And you accuse SOF of attempting unnecessary justification?

SoF just needed someone to pick on, I actually intended not to come back to this game until I happened to check out the forums last set, did my own reading of both sides crap, and found myself back in NA due to the bull. I'd rather be on the side who has to fight hard than the side without honor. Thanks for bringing me back SoF.

Cougar - I'm gonna go ahead and assume you really can read,and track concepts between multiples sources, and you're just being bullish. But feel free to lemme know if you actually DO need some help though...

Yes, I and everyone else who can read already knows all this. it is posted here every day by people such as yourself.

what has been learned here? what exactly are you guys looking for? sympathy? want people to think we are assholes? what?

same old story, same old song and dance. respect for taking the first step and FSing, now invite some friends and keep the party going

lol seriously no need for this post

The history is pretty simple here

Last set SoF FSed NA regardless of the reasons, NA died
This set NA FSed SoF, don't care about your reasons either, you guys started well but it's all downhill from here. Same result as last set just more dead sof this set.

As for next set will SoF kill NA again, god I hope not as you lot are boring as hell.

Crysk change the record already, it's a bloody game there is no honor, big deal your ex sof and now don't like what we do, no body cares. Didn't you leave sof in a hissy fit anyway?

if we're so boring, stop fluffing attacking us, geez

sorry you made your bed this set now ya gotta lie in it

9 days later. Clearly that was my plan all along! There is no way anything could have changed over the course of 9 days!

I usually plan my meals out at least 9 days in advance. Hell, I just got interrupted from setting out my clothing that I intend to wear on September 16th, when I was told to check the AT. Once you make a plan you have to stick to it!

why is it that no matter what SOF does, someone complains? Does SOF have to ask permission to take a fluff these days?

Murf/Helmet, if I remember correctly, SOF members were ASKING NA to hit you guys 3 or 4 days ago. Now you're gonna try to play it like you guys are gonna war next set for NA FS'ing you this set?

Your reasons are your reasons, and I think it's safe to say no one in NA could give really a fluff as to what they actually are, or if we have to war you for the next 10 sets over them....but at least have the cajones to be straight up about them instead of throwing up retarded ass excuses for something there's no point making excuses over.

boo fluffing who

I thought NA were going to hit SoF over what happened last set.

I think it was quite safe to make that assumption.

hmmm pretty sure I clearly wrote above I don't want to waste my time warring NA next set NOW3P

SoF members are entitled to post anything they want on AT, always have been. We knew fine rightly you would FS us this set, we've been waiting for it all set, but you guys took that long our members started to lose interest, and a few tried to speed up the process lol.

Your leaders are the ones who started this thread, looking for sympathy for dying 2 sets in a row and trying to justify the FS this set. Let's be honest since when do you really need a reason to war, and anyone with half a brain knows fine rightly why NA was wiped out last set :)

Whats done is done, now build a bridge and get over it

Because SoF was bored and wanted a roll over war to help improve your dwindling summer activity levels?

You forget, I've run a war clan and have done what SoF did last set plenty of times...picked an easy roll over the competition war with an old adversary because it's good for moral, fun for the killers, gives you a chance to practice for a real war, and gets people active again...only difference is I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade, and be up front with why I did it.

I'm just pointing out how weird it is that the current leadership in SoF feels compelled to come up with lame excuses why they chose to do what they chose to do instead of just coming out and saying "Yeah, we're a fluffing war clan. We don't need a reason to hit you. We were looking for a war we could win and you were the best choice".

Maybe I've gone soft, but it seems to me that if you're intent on warring folks who have zero interest in war, the least you could do is have the cajones to be straight about why you're warring them. If you can scroll through SoF's forums and honestly tell me that SoF members weren't excited about an easy win war over NA in full netting mode, I'll be very surprised.

Actually i found it pretty boring, same with this reset too.

/SoF member

i don't see why there is such animosity toward NA. their alliance has gone through a lot in the past year and i for one believe NA.

note: i'm not questioning any one's motives.

Murf...my leaving Sof had nothing to do with sof itself, good job thinking you have a clue about me.

They can't be straight up about the reasons, it is what it is, and people are seein just how ridiculous SOF has become.

We'll keep killin regardless of a loss, a war is war.

Who's making excuses? It's not me, so I am not going to waste my time responding to ignorant comments about me making excuses. I typed more, but I'm going to wait to post it on September 22.

i still don't get why anyone cares what a repeated cheater says.

NA got what it got last reset, some knows why, some thinks they know why.

Judging by this thread most people seem to think they know why

sorry crysk, you came back for the wrong reason :p

Ivan...I know you can do better than this :) Ah well I'm back anyways for awhile :)

Want me to summarise it for you?

I'll quote llaar "If we want to be friends with another clan, we will be.", NA had a choice and willingly/knowingly walked into something they knew was coming they are trying to paint us as the big bad wolf here but if the wolf tells the sheep to run away or we'll eat you then its definately not the wolfs fault if the sheep stays and ends up eaten.

If NAers are looking for someone to blame for this, look at your own heads and dont try to put the blame on anyone else its THEIR JOB to make sure that THEIR clan get to do what they/their members want.

Ivan
Survival of the Fittest

It's cool - I never really expected you guys to be straight up about your motives. Murf's a little disappointing, but I have learned not to expect much from Ivan or Helmet.

Isn't this like the 549th war between Sof and NA? Seriously, is there anything that has not been said before between you two?


"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

Albert Einstein

Pretty much archaic....pretty much.

I thought competition breeds better players. So why wouldn't SoF want to fight someone with better war skills?

IF you guys are the best in Alliance at war, why not try your hand at something your not the best at? (i.e. netting)

When I or other people look back at the history of this game, we don't go "eww and aew" over clan A and clan B fought for many sets in a row. We look at the records people have gotten for networth, and at the clans that are always at the top. No one looks down the top whatever list.....until they find a country with lots of kills....but crappy networth. Just sayin.

(btw, I like to war and net....so I'm not biased on this)

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I think I speak for most of my cohorts when I say that I would rather have a challenging war than something one sided. NA has kept things interesting so far (though they need to do more than match us kill for kill to win), so for now I'm happy. But if someone else joins the party, I won't complain.

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NOW3P i was out getting drunk :)

Ivan pretty much summed it up

NA was wiped out last set as you were the only tag who could of potentially joined in to help Sol from being slaughtered.

You all knew that anyway :)

Last set was boring as hell but it allowed me to be inactive and just randomly hit lol

confirmed Neo's post

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IMHO

NA hitting SoF this set is probably the worst political move for NA's survival on Alliance server.

All you did was give SoF a target if they have nothing else to do next reset.

I like the whole 'stand up to a bully' attitude, but you can't just do it without any sort of ability to have a knock out first punch.

This an't the movies, and your not George McFly.

Why does everyone continue to assume that NA gives a fluff what they think?

Because NA started this whining thread.

so what youre saying is that you guys willingly helped SOL be slaughtered by hitting the one ally who could have helped. awful nice of you.

Least I'm up front and honest about it, dont really care if it wasnt a nice thing to do

What else are friends for?

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