it's hard to believe so much ignorance and misplaced ill will can be crammed into one thomas.

good luck to the fist. pdm has the numbers and the FS but we're notoriously bad at finishing what we start. :P

huh? i PMed the news to spawn. not gonna post it here per forum rules.

sent. not that it really matters except to say your tag has been pulling the first punches throughout all of this :P

Fist has been opping, sabotaging missiles, and for some reason demoing, so I guess technically since they've 'declared war' and started doing harmful ops, it's already begun?

jebus

haha, didn't realize martian is a mod ;D

i like all elements of this policy

this guy really has no clue

oooh i want you, i don't know if i need you but ooooh i'd die to find out (i'd die to find out)

for reals i'd love to see a pic of locket

Again with the bullfluff reference to your great spirit of magnanimity. What are "better countries" - is there an objective rubric we should be aware of? Please, release some LaF public service announcement to that effect and enlighten us. Better yet, write out a manifesto for how you'd like us to run our alliances.

Do you mean better defended or countries with more offensive power? I'm sure you'll say something about it being situational, but the fact of the matter is that set after set LaF's response to running grossly underdefended countries is always that it's all about playing the netgaining endgame, minimizing expenses, etc.

The truth is that we had to respond to your large scale systematic aggression by creating retallers out of netting countries, even though we already had an adequate number of retal-capable countries to deal with everyday grabs. So I guess LaF actually made our countries a little 'worse' in terms of netting endgame, which is the standard LaF preaches as far as how this game is meant to be played. Thanks for that! GG!

I see LaF's point, and I'll freely admit I've been beaten into submission. Basically, they're big enough and smart enough to make overtly aggressive moves against groups of players that will have difficulty responding in kind. In LaF minds, or at least in the minds of their rhetoricians, this is somehow a magnanimous gesture aimed at teaching their competition how to play by their rules. Of course that smells bullfluffty, but it's hard to argue the logic that the big fish eat the small fish. "Man up!" they will say, set after set as the small tags get smaller in an ever-shrinking player base.

Is this fun? No less so than the last several years, which is to say, not very.

The Facebook app may save us all, but probably not in time to retain the non-LaF old-timey enthusiasts.

i did, it was fun when i had the time for it.

under his mother's skirt i'd imagine

in all types of war situations a player might be grabbing for bushels, cash, buildings, etc. not being able to drop the acreage for 72 hours is a major downside.

yeah?

earth watcher is a valuable member of the AT community

what is the gameplay rationale behind prohibiting countries from dropping grabbed acres for 72 hours? there have been occasions where i've grabbed solely for buildings and dropped the unused acres (when i've had my CS destroyed by BR/AB). is this change just to protect those who view this game exclusively as a netgaining competition from 'suiciders?'

jelly FTL

I don't have anything to add to this but wanted to post it again.

the funny thing is it happened without any collaboration (no pun) - we just kinda noticed we all had the same idea :D:D:D:D

SLIT wars were fun

hi liet... long time :)

noigel

I unconditionally deny the premise that Pang and I have a love child! You have no proof!

<enter Pang or SS>
<!-- If SS, downgrade spelling and insert heh or meh liberally -->

Well, what you fail to see is that PDM is constantly asking to be preemptively FSed by virtue of being a small alliance and not rolling over to bullies. The one PDM member who hit Collab in the same manner that they farmed the entire PDM tag was ample justification for Collab to kill off PDM countries. Honestly, I want to see PDM succeed, but you need to learn to roll over.

<exit LaF goon>
<enter Thomas>

PDM brought this upon themselves. This entire time I've been trying to help PDM by double tapping several of their countries and then saying we shouldn't hit PDM any more. I've been entirely rational about this entire ordeal, including the time I posted a screengrab on AT of a country that suicided on me and cited it as justification for FSing PDM, even though it had absolutely zero ties to PDM.

Also, wari.

<exit Thomas>

Could you clarify what you mean by "antiquated methods?" Personally, I feel that "today's environment," if you're referring to the political scene, is a stagnant remnant of the time where the game was filled with many large alliances.

He blamed it on PDM, then had NA kill it, then FSed PDM using this as justification.

Agree with SS. But with barely a thread of justification for the war and Detmer posting about "full force retaliation," it doesn't seem like a brilliant idea. Thomas got pissy when he farmed PDM and someone grabbed him back and AxA operates from a mother hen perspective. The only members still playing in PDM wanted to quit the damned game a couple sets back but keep getting strung along by stuff like this. So at least we know PDM will be around a couple more sets to see how we can most effectively respond to this fluff.

lol

A bunch of old Camelot just kind of found their way to PDM, until there were enough old Camelotians to start a Camelot division in PDM, which for many years just flat out owned all the other divisions. At that point it became desirable to be in the Camelot division, and we did several new knightings. So the second version of Camelot was a regrouping of old Camelot which gained some momentum inside of PDM.

lolwut on every level

i guess that my prototype earthquake generator is working

ovaries are gonads

Willing to bet Thomas' country was the worst offender. Am I right or am I right?

Rational thought is not a crime, in the Western world at least.

i can respect that. SS always struck me as more or less a masturbating jackass, but understanding clan dymanics i know that can be a necessity. laf is a strong, long-lasting clan with a respectable history. granted, i would love nothing more than for PDM's legacy to be "we went out pissing on laf's ridiculous culture of smug jackassery," but it's all a game, right? a game i've played for more or less a decade, so every time i call out the losers who still play, i call out myself.

viva SS! viva TAN! viva PAngaea! NOW3P can suck himself off!

/drunk

It's mostly irrelevant to this thread, but since I was personally called out and because this whole thread (including OP) is a whinefest, I don't feel bad contributing.

In the interest of clarity:

1) No Camelotians currently in PDM leadership
2) LaFers past and present regularly went out their way to ridicule Camelot on this board, so you'll understand why I cringe when you try to bring Camelot's principles into this discussion
3) I make no apologies for my personal desire to turn PDM into a group of permanent anti-LaF suiciders, but that has not kept me from FAing reps to a LaFer every 24 hours since this started
4) Virtually every PDMer playing a country has volunteered to drop defense and let LaF fluff them, despite an incredibly passionate culture of hate against LaF that has been revived this set
5) NOW3P's a tard, TAN's a tard, ford is win, and Parallax seems entirely reasonable

edited to include snawdog's latest in-site post with regard to this situation:
"Yea tho i walk thru the valley of fists,
i will fear no ass rash."

i really need to stop posting here... obviously i didn't learn anything about this board/community from years past.

we were considering it based on lack of interest in the game, but our interest has been revived (pang will be here shortly to take credit)

lol meh heh

SS, when you're speaking out loud, do you end every statement with meh or heh, or is that part of your uber-aloof online persona? j/w

laf would destroy pdm in war, obviously. no one is going to try to dispute that. so at this point of laf's fluffery, the question is less does pdm want to open that can of worms, and more does laf want to have to war pdm every set that they want to net?

LOLOL

agreed, of course. just sarcastically pointing out how this situation with PDM/LaF and the hundreds of completely useless posts on the topic from all sides conveniently cast a shadow on what is a far more important issue.

thatguy suiciding is the new llaar cheating

That is sort of correct. I was hovering at rank 11, one of my allies FAed me 2-3m NW without my foreknowledge or consent. Thankfully, your compatriots in the last known bastion of in-game justice CDed me out of the top 10 in the last 30 seconds to put up another LaFer.

Obviously FAing isn't cheating, though FAing into the top 10 is certainly lame and I don't condone it. I was, as always, just so appreciative of LaF's dedication to keeping the t10 clear of those who receive FA, benefit from market manipulation, or farm their own clanmates. Except of course when it's someone you're pacted to, or yourselves.

PDM = major fail at cheating, major fail at suiciding, and laughably has only been in existence for 9 years.

I see Pang's point because I do think it was PDM's responsibility to kill thatguy. I can even understand the anger and frustration that caused him to flame PDM, though it's unfortunate that the flaming comes from an administrator account (I don't personally care, but it does look lame).

I see thatguy's point because LaF is absolutely the worst offender when it comes to brutally raping any and all untaggeds for the entire set, then grossly underdefending their land. The LaF culture of smugness spills over from personalities to gameplay. Earlier in the set I was looking at LaF's fatty countries and their grabbing news, and I was tempted to spend some time tallying up and posting the relentless rape-farming they indulge in.

LaF will get everything owed to them and then some (it's always "and then some" when it comes to LaF), and PDMers will be left to clean up after thatguy. PDM will FA everything they have to give this set, then be landb!tches next set so that LaF can gain land advantages early in the set in the name of getting what was owed to them. If roles were reversed I'd want to be generously compensated as well, so I can't harp on that point for too long.

I came back to play a reunion set with PDM. Pang & Co. have actually made some awesome changes to the game, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see that cheaters and those who support them actually get punished these days. No real interest in playing after this set, though I'll probably run a landfarm for LaF next set to help PDM. After that, I would definitely join any clan that was dedicated to ruining LaF's netting sets in perpetuity.

So yeah, viva thatguy! Here's a lovely golden turnip for your troubles, guy.

pm me your country number, i will break you!

wow