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Oct 27th 2019, 13:52:42

Originally posted by Requiem:

Originally posted by ironxxx:

Is this a war game or not?

That's much like asking if WoW is a PvP or PvE game. The game is both a war and netting game. Two distinct play styles with different goals. Neither play style is the 'right' or 'wrong'. It's a matter of personal preference for a multitude of reasons for each individual player. Those individual players group up into 'netting' or 'warring' tags.

Why is it a problem to have a group of players who wish to leave others alone but still be able to play without harassment? If you are a war country and you do not care about your networth what do you lose? Why were bots put on the server in the first place? This is a natural progression in my mind.

The game should have a place for both types of players not just one IMO. The way to achieve that can be done by many, many different paradigms (see what I did there!). Keep in mind no matter how you shake it having a game that appeals to as many different types of players as possible is good for everyone.

Well said

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Oct 26th 2019, 23:08:41

Originally posted by enshula:

its sounding like this whole thing is only useful for very edge cases

that being

netting:
allx lazy players
minor grabbing hardly trying
very late set suicider protection
slightly more useful for techers but probably promotes bad play

I think you might be off here. It allows full bot farming with no chance of getting hit by an untagged you haven’t hit yourself.
This is pretty inclusive to what netting tags are doing

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Oct 26th 2019, 20:54:44

Originally posted by sinistril:

Originally posted by UgolinoII:

Originally posted by Gerdler:

Umm the costs are immense. Far far higher than regular GDI. Also I do not think of it as something that needs to be balanced, as it is here to counter the unbalanced mechanisms around suiciding.

It is a bit weird that a low-effort+ low-skill player can demolish 5+ well built + high effort countries in 10 minutes. The vast array of changes needed to counter this would be so hard to theorycraft and implement, and would likely be far from perfect either way.

I mostly agree with this. Though I think the whole 10m jets / 100k turrets things can't be ignored.

I feel like attackers acreage begin a factor in calculating grab returns would nerf the biggest tool that "griefers" can use. Similar to how bomb airbases needs jets. so e.g if your max grab possible was something like 10% your current acreage.

To be clear I use the term "griefer" here in the specific context of low-effort / low-skill countries. I think when you dig down thats where the "injustice" of it lies, and thats what rankles the netters. (It does me).

If you get your ass handed to you by someone running a high-effort / high-skill country that a whole different thing - but then I would say that, because I can run half a decent country ;p

And as usual, Ugo makes a much better suggestion that easily solves the problem. Not only does it do so parsimoniously but it also eliminates most of the complaints brought forward in this thread

This would have to be pretty extreme to work. 10% isn’t workable. How hard is it to get a 20k acre country? Then your still taking/destroying 2k acres/hit. If you could scale it so once land starts hitting very high amounts the returns/destruction go down to next to nothing. This helps against suiciders/low skill but has impacts on war strategy and just makes suiciders try harder.

Not being able to grab established tags from established tags basically already exists through retal policies. The GDI stops untagged and the ability of war alliances to smack around netters who don’t want to war. This has to sound good to Omega, Monsters, likely Evo who don’t have to be worried about being smashed over nothing.

I understand the frustration about that loss from the war tags it’s just not something I relate to. It dates back to e2025 since I’ve had any desire to war anyone that didn’t want to fight an alliance I was in.

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Oct 26th 2019, 13:45:00

There is a lot of whining here. As far as I can tell it’s because war tags have lost control to dictate who is going to war them. Sucks for you, good for everyone else.

I have a wife, 3 kids under 3. My time is limited to say the least. Getting on irc to participate in war chats and wall doesn’t happen much. Spending 5 minutes here and there or an hour every couple days when the kids are in bed, sure.

I find war boring for the most part. It’s fun for 3-4 days at the start and then it’s a grind. I’d rather masturbate to the bots all day then war, especially on other people’s terms. If the Dons decide we need a war to appease the fighters in LaF or for a challenge every once in a while, sure. At least there you can take some pride in building a strong war country.

I like the change. Let’s me net without some douche hitting me at the 11th hour and ruining it and it allows netters options on when they want to war. Like Pang said, if you want to war then self organize into groups that want to do it. No harm no foul.

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Oct 26th 2019, 4:58:39

Originally posted by 87Fresh:

Ngl, this makes me want to stop playing after only 4 sets back lol. Primeval is 10000% correct in everything he said.

What exactly are you guys losing out on here? The only thing I can see is forcing netting clans to war you when they don’t want to.

If you don’t think forcing netting clans to war especially in consecutive sets forces people out you’re wrong. Spend a couple years in LaF and you’ll see it. Heavy recruitment posts were sent out for those sets. After these changes are ironed out and and an email blast goes out you’ll see numbers swell and perhaps greater retention. You won’t have people worrying about building a country for 2 months to have it taken apart one way or the other at the end of set by some dipfluff who’s only beef with you is he’s bored and just likes to mess with people.

These changes give some control back to netters and they mitigate suiciding. Both sound good to me. As Pang mentioned it’s the warring clans who’ve been more or less dictating terms for the last decade. Boohoo now that the shoe is on the other foot.

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Oct 26th 2019, 3:23:31

[quote poster=Z [Post Script]; 47925; 918258][quote poster=Savage; 47925; 918254]

Originally posted by Z [Post Script]:

Intent here makes a lot of sense! Thanks for taking the time off work to make it happen!

I do hope that we have a chance to collectively think through unintended consequences before locking down. Or remaining holes that griefers can get through.

As it is, it seems like a single suicider can ruin a top country in clan GDI simply by declaring war. Is that correct?

It also seems like a defending alliance in GDI wouldn’t be subject to missile dumps for readiness of attackers?

The way I read it is only if you’ve attacked the suiciding country at some point. [/quote]

I’m reading it as that rule only applies it attackers clan is in GDI. I’d hope it’s more of what you see though. [/quote]

Re-reading it I think you maybe right. That does seem far less effective. Basically just focuses a suicider on one country instead of multiple. I believe it also makes that country a bit more difficult to kill

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Oct 26th 2019, 2:56:08

Originally posted by Z [Post Script]:

The way I read it is only if you’ve attacked the suiciding country at some point.

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Oct 26th 2019, 0:15:55

Originally posted by tfm0m0:

If the main concern is to protect against suiciders this should be protection only against untaggeds or small (3 or less) tags. Otherwise I view this as another step to remove warring tags from the game

Don’t enter GDI as a war tag, or plan 72 hours in advance of FS.

The only spot it would make much difference is if you blindsided an alliance that was in GDI and didn’t want to war. At that point everyone could still declare but you’d have to kill the country so walling could be super fun/effective in that case.

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Oct 24th 2019, 3:12:13

Originally posted by breeze:

Originally posted by mrcuban:

Not trying to stir the pot at all here but I think context is important here, and please correct me if i am wrong...

1. IHeadbanger (#57) (Imag) does 10 landgrabs on #427. At this point I am assuming #57 thinks its a bot country and rightly does landgrabs. At this point its fair to assume #427 is a bot and fair game. It does not matter if 10 land grabs is not effective, if its a bot it only impacts #57 if its inefficient? right? Elders also grabbed this country so the bot assumption is fair.

2. At this point LS isn't sure if he is even going to play this set, but logs in and see's his country hit 10x and decides hes now interested in playing.

3. LS #427 then does 11 AB's and 1 Nuke on #57.

4. #57 then does 10 ss landgrabs and 2 CM missiles which leads us to where we are now.

What is missing here is any communication between both parties... throughout the above.

If #427 was an actual bot nobody would care that someone grabs 10x. At this point its fair to assume this is a bot or suicider, thats just the game now. #427 was grabbed by Elders, and even after this all happened SOL grabbed this country as well. (failed). This country would have been grabbed by anyone rightfully so.

So the issue isn't that he was grabbed 10x, 10x on a bot whilst silly, not affecting anyone. The issue is that its 10x on an untagged country, on alliance server that was assumed a bot country and rightfully so.

What should have happened at this point before #427 AB's and nukes, is a simply chat to say hey im actually untagged... and this might have been different. Some reps could have been paid, but #427 also needs to take responsility for his position as an untagged, on alliance server.. with ZERO grabs. bots do not grab and untagges on this server usually grab other bots to say 'IM NOT A BOT'.

#427 responds with 11ab's and a nuke and then we are here...

Correct if wrong. In my opinion this is a walk away from both parties...

You are exactly correct MrCuban

Communication definitely should of happened but under these assumptions I would put the contact onus on Breeze.

I LG 10x - get 10x retal - I’d then say sorry, I thought you were a bot. We’re relatively even, let’s call it even and move on.

I know imag doesn’t care much but you’re risking taking on the burden of that offended country for your whole tag.

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Oct 22nd 2019, 17:36:37

Originally posted by WH:

This whole thread is a clusterfluff. LordSlayer go fluff yourself. fluff your raggedy ass country and go back to retirement. Imag doesn't give 2 flying farks. You're a suicider. It's alliance server shut up and grab your ankles while imag strokes that booty hole. You're not the first suicider and quite frankly you want be the first or last person to hate iMag. Get in line, sit down, and for the love of the flying spaghetti monster just shut up.

Or join imag. We like idiots.

Lol when someone 10 taps you hitting back doesn’t make you a suicider. Being labeled a suicider has a pretty negative connotation in 1a, LS doesn’t deserve that label for this.

Originally posted by breeze:

Originally posted by Chadius:

Lord Slayer and Archaic in the same post, in 2019. wtf. lol

Nice to see old people.

Requiem, why did you leave us? :(

He is teaching this old old war hound how to net

Hitting a country multiple times diminishes the returns. 10 tapping is a horrible netting strategy even if he had zero defense. 10 tapping a non bot is just idiotic and asking for a situation like this.

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Oct 21st 2019, 17:14:56

I don’t know him personally. Just grouping with the rest of the 1a untagged.

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Oct 21st 2019, 16:38:40

Yeah, hitting someone 10x and then getting a response shouldn’t be unexpected or put into the same category as let’s say #400.

That being said, there is a 95% chance 427 is going to suicide on someone anyway

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Oct 15th 2019, 16:14:23

Love the idea. Mid round no problem.

If it’s Josie,Hellrush or similar that it’s pissing off I think most of us will get over it pretty quick

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Sep 30th 2019, 18:14:59

Originally posted by Hellrush:

Next set the 10 billion food will be 20 billion. Peace not worked out. Set after 40 billion food peace not worked out. Set after 80 billion food and so on.

Be less of a plug and move on with your life?

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Sep 26th 2019, 1:15:14

Lunar cycle, giant

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Sep 24th 2019, 4:29:32

Bodily

Edited By: Savage on Sep 24th 2019, 4:32:25
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Sep 17th 2019, 4:12:21

Looks like he’s got a friend

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Sep 16th 2019, 23:24:58

Ooh a piece of candy

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Sep 16th 2019, 22:13:54

KoH probably didn’t sign his starter cap..

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Sep 16th 2019, 1:38:02

I’ll take a shot at it.

All of the mods are tyrants. Galleri is an especially evil one, the driving force behind all of the ee oppression.

I’m unsure why you all have issues with me, I play for my own benefit but still thoroughly enjoy doing things that don’t benefit me and only hurt others.

I have a pretty big point to make. I could just say what it is but no. I’ll only say your skirting the issue but Req knows what time it is.

Seems like it’s time for me to do my thing. Everything i’m about to do is allowed by the game so there couldn’t possibly be any reason to be upset with what i’m about to do...

Uh-oh, what happened?

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Sep 15th 2019, 22:23:28

Originally posted by DerrickICN:

I mean...

The ladies don't ever seem dissatisfied but I'm not sure I'd call my rod divine...

I mean it has the ability to create life so..

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Sep 14th 2019, 1:01:08

Hey Josef,

—————-> The long walk you should take
———- Short pier

You should post your country number. See how long it takes until you get killed.

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Sep 8th 2019, 21:28:11

Forgot to double check after waiver claim. Darius Leonard on the bench:(

Edited By: Savage on Sep 8th 2019, 21:31:17
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Sep 6th 2019, 21:31:54

I’d bet country owner got on before FA saw it. Unfortunate

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Aug 31st 2019, 13:07:32

Originally posted by Requiem:

I’m sorry you will lose all your free time and money. I’m the only honest one here.

Can confirm.

2.67yr old twins and a 13mo

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Aug 27th 2019, 18:39:48

Did you lose a leg with the gunshot?

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Aug 27th 2019, 0:09:29

*SPLAT

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Aug 19th 2019, 22:35:46

There are a limited number of acceptable scenarios for a sit down wee.

Proof
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7RCLChi5JkA

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Aug 18th 2019, 17:35:03

Snakes can help predict earthquakes.

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Aug 18th 2019, 2:25:59

Try and show someone a different point of view but idiots going to idiot.

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Aug 16th 2019, 13:15:58

Ideally go some place that will allow you to return the setup if you don’t like it. Be your own judge whether it works or not.

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Aug 16th 2019, 2:05:57

Chiefs were fun to watch last year

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Aug 14th 2019, 11:32:22

Originally posted by will send missiles:

Listen to yourselves.... You’ve convinced yourselves that I’m a suicider when I’m the furthest thing from it. I have never suicided anyone in this game and I don’t intend to. I intend to play the game...by the rules. Just trying to be friendly by saying that.... I’ll see you real soon.... ; )

Suicide
“the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally”

Your delusional.

Maybe your actions are more akin to suicide by cop then straight suicide but that’s what your doing. Sending missiles like you did is death. You knew your actions would lead to your death, that is not the farthest thing from suicide. It’s getting into semantics.

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

You are a sad puppet of your own ignorance, have fun restarting!

I kind of skimmed this earlier because the thread was long enough before I saw it but 👍👍👍

You are a sad puppet of your own ignorance.

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Aug 14th 2019, 4:15:50

You don’t want to be insulted then don’t act like an idiot.
With your actions last set and this post what did you think was going to happen?

Your ability for self-victimization is uncanny.

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Aug 12th 2019, 20:21:36

Link your account :p

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Aug 12th 2019, 14:58:18

I’m going to say ZPS was #1 based on his oil and tech market post.

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Aug 10th 2019, 22:46:30

Opiates.. I’m taking a trip to the moon before I go out

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Aug 10th 2019, 22:16:01

*gives ebert a biscuit

To be fair you were pretty clear to net most of the set

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Aug 10th 2019, 20:42:16

I could be wrong here. I think most people have accepted that for the most part gun control isn’t going to happen in the US. There are already 400 million guns in circulation, there is no way to control that.

People do seem to be looking for new assault rifle bans. Seems reasonable to me. You might be able to limit some of the damage these mentally deficient people cause.

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Aug 10th 2019, 20:28:15

One word story time

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Aug 10th 2019, 17:37:20

Oh this thread is back

Hello darkness my old friend
https://youtu.be/Bk7RVw3I8eg

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Aug 9th 2019, 21:40:41

You guys need to pull shute on this and start again. Realize these work best when you try and create a narrative. Ideally silly and funny. This is incoherent.

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Aug 9th 2019, 6:31:34

I bet Neil is a lot of fun at parties

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Aug 7th 2019, 4:14:55

Originally posted by Requiem:

https://podcasts.apple.com/...2217147a59383f50dcd393283

Looking forward to this in the morning. Sleepy time now

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Aug 6th 2019, 20:42:08

Originally posted by Stryke:

I'm still trying to figure out how Russia "interfered" in the election. They can't hack 320 million people, they can't influence the Electorate College, they can't influence the election in any way. I think it was that one campaign debate where Hillary was literally foaming at the mouth about Russia, and when the topic was border security, the derailed it to talk about how she "would be the one to push the button". When I saw that, I had chills down my spine... because it reminded me of The Dead Zone.

https://samharris.org/...asts/145-information-war/

Sam Harris podcast with Renee DiResta. Will show you how. You can judge for yourself how much or little it mattered.

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Aug 5th 2019, 23:54:49

Lol, that’s an auto include

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Aug 5th 2019, 23:47:34

I did expect something a little harder with the name hullrush, and the being a fluff and all but I was willing to roll with it.

You should do something like a pre set prediction and sing it. Do it every set and you may even make BenRaines proud

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Aug 5th 2019, 23:32:32

Lol.. I skimmed that quickly. I thought it was hellrush singing it.