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Makinso

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Jul 22nd 2020, 20:57:04

Originally posted by Red X:
I have been saying for a while if you make the type of attack have a DR effect the amount of population killed it would take one type longer. If you force hybrid kills and give everything a type of population kill it would force people to have different types of units and tend to balance it out. ABs should kill pop at a lesser amount then BR or GS, but if you have done 50 GS attacks and then you do a BR the BR should kill more pop then the GS.

If you only did GSes it would take longer to kill and would solve some of the to many turns in a FS situation. War leaders would have to decide if it was more important to kill in less turns or to save jets when the target is lets say a 5k break.

These could have huge impacts in war.


But will also become a organisational nightmare with the current player base.

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Jul 1st 2020, 14:49:19

Originally posted by Chevs:
Another spam tag bites the dust

I’m pretty sure 95 percent of the people who quit in the last year have been not due to suiciders or bully war tags

Does anyone believe that nonsense talking point anymore ?


I made that argument for a few years now.
Sadly, People are drawn to their own cognitive coherence of self. So aslong as we keep blabbering how we look at ourselves or others it might actually be true.

Aslong as that dun change. This game will die very soon.
And in this state meh. Might be best.

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Jun 3rd 2020, 12:18:30

Originally posted by Marshal:
and some wonder why players leave game, it's because there are retards like helltard who get kicks out of ruining others sets, owner of #484 had just returned and we convinced him to play even ~half a set had already passed and due what happened i wouldn't be surprised if he would leave again and this time for good.


People leave all the time,

Accept it.

They come back

Accept it.

This game unless heavily invested in and promoted for will keep having suicider problems that make players leave. Why? Simple because you don't have 2000 players to hide behind. Normally suiciding would divide itself among those 2000 people. Which if it costed you a set was not a big fuss. Now it's a big fuss, because the same elite netters get hit.

So unless we find atleast 1000 players. Accept that more people will leave then return to this game. And eventually you're looking at empty servers.

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Apr 12th 2020, 7:48:20

Someone please kick chevs in the fluff so his brain starts functioning again.

He's never this positive :-)

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Mar 24th 2020, 8:58:56

Originally posted by smikke:
I'm a professor at Erasmus. The university is run way worse than any institution I was at before. The bureaucracy is 10 times higher but the output of the bureaucracy is lower.



Wow......

I'm in ESSB department atm. It feels well organized on the student side that is. What department are you in? Could be a department problem then? Ofcourse I don't know what happens on an employee level but taken from a students point of view it's pretty well organized. WIthin hours we had notifications and options to continue our courses online / with assignments and self study.

As of the mentioned IC spots. It was also announced that army hospitals will be given a civilian task. We're talking quite a massive amount of beds in that case.

As for the death amounts, I just read a paper on the death counts.Trying to make sense of the death numbers:: Conclusion? Impossible at this point, variables like testing policy (Italy tests patients even after death for instance), model of spread and infection, average age, cause of death registration, etc. etc. etc. all impact the numbers to severly still.

There is no way to properly measure and compare countries based on amounts of sick people or deaths by COVID-19. I think that is the only factual point to make atm, So it's to early to tell to do well. Other then the world is stuck with this virus for a while let's just deal with it.

As for where this discussion started, the Netherlands has drafted a fluff ton of money, to support anyone getting into financial problems. That's what i was trying to say earlier. And we made that happen in a matter of hours.


To bad I can't get to campus or I would say Beer? ;)

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Mar 21st 2020, 16:05:29

Originally posted by smikke:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Originally posted by smikke:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Originally posted by smikke:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Christ you americans have a stupid system.

Goverment support for anyone negatively impacted by Corona financially here has already been organized.
It won't be full coverage but they are pumping billions into civilian financial support. it is on a need to basis. So not everyone gets compensated you need to show that you will fall under minimal standards for income or get hit financially in a really hard and proveable way (don't know the exact calculations).

They organized it all in a 48 - 72 hours timeframe.


ahaha using the Netherlands as an example to laugh at America

here is how expats perceive the Dutch response: https://www.econjobrumors.com/...h-response-to-coronavirus


LOL,

I read it fully, but it is written colorfully. The lines people are talking about? For sex shops / coffee shops etc? Was only about coffee shops selling weed. And people buying their legal amount before closing shops down. It was never about restaurants etc. Far as I can see all gyms, restaurants etc in my area are closed.

It also fails to tell the goverment following WHO and RIVM guidelines on group immunity and how these shut downs were set to be evaluated in 3 weeks. Evaluation criteria are based on group immunity. also WHO presses the fact that full lockdowns won't give group immunity.

Yes the dutch are lightminded by nature and yes we usually tend to take light measures at first. But we know how to upgrade those quickly if need be. That same type attitude in governing and child education makes dutch people / childeren among the happiest in the world.

I understand the perception of an expat...... but it only tells half a story.


Do you actually know how to scale up to serious measures though? The Dutch are #5 in Europe in deaths and are about to pass South Korea (the first big crisis outside of China) in deaths in less than a week. It shows that either the Dutch are unable to judge the situation correctly (given that the measures were until Monday looser than in countries with fewer than 5 deaths) or then that the Dutch are making a very economic calculation about an acceptable number of deaths that other countries refuse to make.


Your numbers are off, we're number 8 - 10 switching up and down. But recent statistic measures of COVID-19 spread have shown 3 things correlate with these death numbers. Total of residents in a country but also population density and average age. Netherlands is a very population dense country. So us being high up in numbers isn't strange. Another discussed variable is ethnic background vs biology. It is hypothesized at this very moment that the southern europeans but also arabs in the netherlands (our younger people getting COVID and heavy health problems seems to be pre-dominantly of non-dutch background) carry more of the ACE2 proteïn which is one of the proteïns COVID-19 jumpstarts and spreads on.


As for knowing how to escalates measures. We are prepared, Netherlands has all protocols in place to switch scenarios in a matter of hours. Every (semi) government institution has a 3 - 4 scenario playbook ready to switch immediately. For instance the institution I work in is in scenario 2 atm. Meaning all childeren are prohibited to go on leave to their parents or leave the facility without guidance. Leaving the facility is only in a need to situation. All neccesary employees falling into the health risk category or having relatives in that category are on forced paid leave, other employees will put in more time to compensate.

Scenario 3 has been setup. We have rented half a hotel which is 100 meters away from us and fully vacant due to dutch government measures. We will quarantaine any childeren that are hit with COVID-19 there. In collaboration with hospitals and the local health department a new set of caretakers with medical protection etc. will be installed in case of quarantine.

Scenario 4 is total lockdown. Which means only a select group of volunteering employees will keep the facility running at 150% pay. These volunteers are mostly non-young parent / health risk employees. And will likely not leave the facility during lockdown AKA live here temporarily. If it''s a long lockdown it will be in 2 groups shifts of 7 days on 7 off. In the 7 days off the employees being off will live in the quarantine hotel we rented.


Working closely with police i dare to say they have the same preparation. Special teams with the army have been formed to lockdown the Netherlands completely if need be. Those measures can be in place within 1-2 hours of the command to lock the Netherlands down. Our biggest risk (small country densily popuplated) is also our protection in this case.


So yes we are prepared.


How are the numbers off? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Netherlands is 8 IN THE WORLD in total deaths. Every country ahead of the Netherlands has a population of at least 60 million (Netherlands = 17.5). In terms of deaths/population, Netherlands ranks either 3 or 4 in the WORLD. This is despite the fact that the Netherlands has a younger population (you want to talk about risk groups, the biggest factor is not race but age) than almost all Western European countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe). Dense population? The country has more deaths than South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong PUT TOGETHER. 75% of deaths in the Netherlands are ALREADY outside intensive care units (i.e. they were denied intensive care), suggesting that the country puts saving money way ahead of saving lives (https://www.nu.nl/...rland-lag-niet-op-ic.html). And what does the WHO say? It says we need more testing. What do the Dutch say? Testing is too expensive and pointless, let's just let the crisis roll in.

It's just incredible that you can somehow look at the situation and think "yeah, we're doing a great job here. Look at how fluffed the US is" (despite the US having 9 times fewer deaths from the disease as a proportion of the population than the NL and despite the fact that the US has rolled out mass testing whereas the NL sits on their asses because testing is too expensive).


Here are some fun articles about the Dutch response, including telling people it will not spread if you don't have symptoms and taking the strategy the UK abandoned
https://www.irishtimes.com/...onavirus-spread-1.4199027
https://www.irishtimes.com/...munity-strategy-1.4204578

This country is literally one of the worst responders to the coronavirus epidemic in the world. This is what makes it so strange to see Dutch people going on about how OTHER countries have messed this up, but then again, this seems like typical Dutch arrogance. Honestly I am so glad my elderly parents are in a country where the attitude when they get sick is not "you're going to die anyway so we won't treat you" (see the article about 75% of patients dying outside of intensive care) and the public isn't so convinced that "oh yeah we're not Southern European it won't happen to us."

Also, in terms of measures. I work for a "semi-government" institution here and the response has been stupid and reactive - everything in the universities thread applies my university. When they finally told us to work from home, it turns out all of these committees for distance learning and coronavirus had not prepared at all so we got a week worth of spam with contradicting instructions on how we are actually meant to teach, with the final conclusion being "figure it out on your own." US universities on the other hand immediately told staff how to switch and they were able to switch immediately.




What uni? As honestly I attend to Erasmus for a second masters degree and everything is spot on and well organized. That might be more of a local uni problem then a country problem. And if you think the country you work in is so fluff :P just leave?

Makinso

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Mar 20th 2020, 13:38:13

Originally posted by Bug:
It could be possible, but how many weeks? if everyone was tested at least one person would still test positive for COVID-19 due to its resistance to going away. and if its more than 20 people, even if you are all 100% fit as with no smoking and the best health imaginable it is really unlikley that no one ended up in hospital even for a few days.

But that's just based on the probability alone..


Not per say because it's mostly kids under 18. So its possible that there are low to no symptoms.

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Mar 20th 2020, 10:40:23

Originally posted by smikke:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Originally posted by smikke:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Christ you americans have a stupid system.

Goverment support for anyone negatively impacted by Corona financially here has already been organized.
It won't be full coverage but they are pumping billions into civilian financial support. it is on a need to basis. So not everyone gets compensated you need to show that you will fall under minimal standards for income or get hit financially in a really hard and proveable way (don't know the exact calculations).

They organized it all in a 48 - 72 hours timeframe.


ahaha using the Netherlands as an example to laugh at America

here is how expats perceive the Dutch response: https://www.econjobrumors.com/...h-response-to-coronavirus


LOL,

I read it fully, but it is written colorfully. The lines people are talking about? For sex shops / coffee shops etc? Was only about coffee shops selling weed. And people buying their legal amount before closing shops down. It was never about restaurants etc. Far as I can see all gyms, restaurants etc in my area are closed.

It also fails to tell the goverment following WHO and RIVM guidelines on group immunity and how these shut downs were set to be evaluated in 3 weeks. Evaluation criteria are based on group immunity. also WHO presses the fact that full lockdowns won't give group immunity.

Yes the dutch are lightminded by nature and yes we usually tend to take light measures at first. But we know how to upgrade those quickly if need be. That same type attitude in governing and child education makes dutch people / childeren among the happiest in the world.

I understand the perception of an expat...... but it only tells half a story.


Do you actually know how to scale up to serious measures though? The Dutch are #5 in Europe in deaths and are about to pass South Korea (the first big crisis outside of China) in deaths in less than a week. It shows that either the Dutch are unable to judge the situation correctly (given that the measures were until Monday looser than in countries with fewer than 5 deaths) or then that the Dutch are making a very economic calculation about an acceptable number of deaths that other countries refuse to make.


Your numbers are off, we're number 8 - 10 switching up and down. But recent statistic measures of COVID-19 spread have shown 3 things correlate with these death numbers. Total of residents in a country but also population density and average age. Netherlands is a very population dense country. So us being high up in numbers isn't strange. Another discussed variable is ethnic background vs biology. It is hypothesized at this very moment that the southern europeans but also arabs in the netherlands (our younger people getting COVID and heavy health problems seems to be pre-dominantly of non-dutch background) carry more of the ACE2 proteïn which is one of the proteïns COVID-19 jumpstarts and spreads on.


As for knowing how to escalates measures. We are prepared, Netherlands has all protocols in place to switch scenarios in a matter of hours. Every (semi) government institution has a 3 - 4 scenario playbook ready to switch immediately. For instance the institution I work in is in scenario 2 atm. Meaning all childeren are prohibited to go on leave to their parents or leave the facility without guidance. Leaving the facility is only in a need to situation. All neccesary employees falling into the health risk category or having relatives in that category are on forced paid leave, other employees will put in more time to compensate.

Scenario 3 has been setup. We have rented half a hotel which is 100 meters away from us and fully vacant due to dutch government measures. We will quarantaine any childeren that are hit with COVID-19 there. In collaboration with hospitals and the local health department a new set of caretakers with medical protection etc. will be installed in case of quarantine.

Scenario 4 is total lockdown. Which means only a select group of volunteering employees will keep the facility running at 150% pay. These volunteers are mostly non-young parent / health risk employees. And will likely not leave the facility during lockdown AKA live here temporarily. If it''s a long lockdown it will be in 2 groups shifts of 7 days on 7 off. In the 7 days off the employees being off will live in the quarantine hotel we rented.


Working closely with police i dare to say they have the same preparation. Special teams with the army have been formed to lockdown the Netherlands completely if need be. Those measures can be in place within 1-2 hours of the command to lock the Netherlands down. Our biggest risk (small country densily popuplated) is also our protection in this case.


So yes we are prepared.

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Mar 20th 2020, 10:20:26

It's possible the virus already passed my body btw.

I work as a clinical therapist and psychologist in a closed residential care facility for child protection services.
We had a flu like outbreak a few weeks ago. Our current medical experts say it's possible that was COVID-19 passing through already. But that's hard to test now.

Makinso

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Mar 20th 2020, 10:18:29

Originally posted by Bug:
Yeah I'm from North of Melbourne, what about you?

Also wow Maki..


It was to easy to make that joke haha

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Mar 18th 2020, 14:59:25

Originally posted by smikke:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Christ you americans have a stupid system.

Goverment support for anyone negatively impacted by Corona financially here has already been organized.
It won't be full coverage but they are pumping billions into civilian financial support. it is on a need to basis. So not everyone gets compensated you need to show that you will fall under minimal standards for income or get hit financially in a really hard and proveable way (don't know the exact calculations).

They organized it all in a 48 - 72 hours timeframe.


ahaha using the Netherlands as an example to laugh at America

here is how expats perceive the Dutch response: https://www.econjobrumors.com/...h-response-to-coronavirus


LOL,

I read it fully, but it is written colorfully. The lines people are talking about? For sex shops / coffee shops etc? Was only about coffee shops selling weed. And people buying their legal amount before closing shops down. It was never about restaurants etc. Far as I can see all gyms, restaurants etc in my area are closed.

It also fails to tell the goverment following WHO and RIVM guidelines on group immunity and how these shut downs were set to be evaluated in 3 weeks. Evaluation criteria are based on group immunity. also WHO presses the fact that full lockdowns won't give group immunity.

Yes the dutch are lightminded by nature and yes we usually tend to take light measures at first. But we know how to upgrade those quickly if need be. That same type attitude in governing and child education makes dutch people / childeren among the happiest in the world.

I understand the perception of an expat...... but it only tells half a story.

Makinso

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Mar 18th 2020, 13:11:44

Christ you americans have a stupid system.

Goverment support for anyone negatively impacted by Corona financially here has already been organized.
It won't be full coverage but they are pumping billions into civilian financial support. it is on a need to basis. So not everyone gets compensated you need to show that you will fall under minimal standards for income or get hit financially in a really hard and proveable way (don't know the exact calculations).

They organized it all in a 48 - 72 hours timeframe.

Makinso

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Mar 18th 2020, 13:08:27

They'll get a bug....

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Dec 20th 2019, 20:47:11

Originally posted by The Cloaked:
the restart bonus made wars lame too.

Shouldn't this help warring alliances though? Doesn't this make stonewalling significantly more powerful?


Stonewalling was already significantly powerful.
This will push all of it over the edge.

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Dec 20th 2019, 20:44:58

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
I think disabling the restart bonus completely will lead to less players on the server, which would exacerbate an already existing problem. If the goal is make restarts less powerful (obviously) then maybe tinkering with the restart forumla is the way to go.

Personally, I came back after an extended 2.5 year break a few sets ago. I was just to be for a set or two, but I'm still here for a 3rd set. Mainly because the wars that were arranged were fun, with the restart bonus meaning that after a welcome day off you could be back in the war hitting hard if you managed your country properly. Starting from scratch would dis-encourage restarts because the mentality would be "What is the fluffing point?" and not reward well built countries that died in 10 seconds during a FS. Let players keep some of what they built.

And as Sov said, this will lead to more early wars that will likely end earlier, leaving the lots of players involved in the war not interested in playing the 2nd month of the set.
Well we could spend the 2nd month suiciding netters XD

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Dec 20th 2019, 14:54:23

Originally posted by Marshal:
poor suiciders who get killed, yay for netters since war restarts will be buying more stuff.


Buying more stuff? LOL with what cash, with what money? This is the final step needed to push warring into a deadly boring activity.
The new attack formula's will force wars to be GS wars only from now on. (BRs are no long worth it due to building loss constraints and ABs are even worse). And the loss of restart bonuses will lopside wars within days as a strong FS will end a war directly. There's no way for a player to make a comeback after being chem rushed in the FS for instance. As he loses all his stock and time invested in building his or her country. You do get that nice 100 acres restart with no CS and 100 troops! Good luck getting back o hitting and making a difference in war.

Not to mention that I foresee people not restarting anymore because there's no point in restarting.


Enjoy your server netters!



Edited By: Makinso on Dec 20th 2019, 14:58:46
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Dec 17th 2019, 20:57:56

People forget how easily this fluff is solved.

Red button

BOOM

Done

all the hard life will be instantly over.

On to the better days.

- Boris Johnson
Man of Wisdom.

Makinso

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Dec 12th 2019, 9:30:31

This shows that LaF was not suicided enough hmph! ;)

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Dec 7th 2019, 0:28:09

Yeah EG shows different stats then GHQ lol. No idea why.

100M NW diference. ANW differs roughly 7M
with a 9 member advantage that's a ton more breakers on the SME side. Stones didn't even break 19M ANW @ war start.

SME made up for 30.5M ANW with the lowest ANW being 25M (mercs).
SS made up for 26.9M ANW. With Stones being the lowest with 17 members at 19.2M ANW.
That's a large difference between both groups. War was won on breaking power. Which we lacked quickly on our side.

Dont get me wrong it was fun from what I have seen / heard.

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Dec 6th 2019, 22:38:44

Originally posted by Drow:
keep it up guys, this is entertaining to watch. great to see a close war being fought all the way through. currently SME has the edge though, looking at it. more kills and activity, and NW that's only marginally lower, despite the member count disadvantage.


Yeah they had a NW advantage from the start despite having a member disadvantage. Primarily has to do with Stones having am much lower ANW then all participating parties. Other then that it has been fun.

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Dec 4th 2019, 22:43:34

wth where did that thread go....

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Dec 4th 2019, 20:36:58

So where could members apply?

http://www.looneybin.completelybonkers.com?

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Dec 4th 2019, 20:32:59

Originally posted by Red X:
Originally posted by sinistril:
Why do you need lafers makinso? Gerdlers claim to which you agreed is that you can pick sols 10 best and compete. If the competition is taking the best 10 non elders in the game and fighting elders, then it's obviously going to be close


@Sin are you nervous about 5 from each tag?



/me gets popcorn.

/me thinking if this actually happens next set this should be good

/me thinking Derrick might owe me a thank you for making this damn thread

<3


That is actually pretty easy.

for both SOL and LAF counts that our membership rotates ALOT, we can like rotate 50% of our members in 1 set (this is also what keeps SOL alive and as big as we are). Meaning if you want me to give you the pound for pound challenge you're looking for I can get 6 - 8 consistent members that compare to being as long and consistently playing as the Elders/Mercs group. That means numberwise I probably can't give equality. So getting the pound for pounds from a similar tag sof/laf (whom are the only other ones really warring frequently) is the only way to give you the challenge you seem to be looking for.

LaF has the same.

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Dec 4th 2019, 19:13:27

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Disagree. The tip of the spear is no sharper or duller than before but the broad masses of minions are no more. The highlights we have today, the bots, the tools and average levels of knowledge and skill within almost all alliances are at a level far beyond what anyone ever had before. Pound for pound most alliances now are better than the alliances of yore. And this is NOT a good thing. It just means the rigors of war has forced out what was once the base of this game.

Take IX in their hayday with the best war leaders and their tools, of that day and then RANDOMLY cut away 85% of them so you have member pairity with todays SOL, then put them against each others; SOL would crush.
The reason you are putting them on a pedistal is because they had more members and its far far easier to war lead and to make war efficiently with more members. Further, maybe 1 or 2 of the warleaders really was better than they are now, regardless of membership, but that doesn't mean that the average warleader of that time is better or even achieves pairity with todays best.

What elders have is a tight group of veterans who nearly exclusively played for war in the past years and they are not really taking many new people to teach. Being great pound for pound is something only Elders work towards right now, so they are winning a competition in which they are the only participant.
If LaF, SoF and SOL putting their 10 most active and skilled members(in terms of war) in a separate tag and then warring with that tag they would all be challenging Elders.
I don't know who would win that and I suppose it would deppend on when the war happens. Either way I don't see it happening.



Tend to fully agree.
Not to mention that what qualifies as "good war leaders" is massively different. 6 - 8 years ago Good war leaders had target selection and decent game knowledge compared with knowing some war formula's. However one of THE most important skills they had to have was CONTROLLING the warroom. Getting people to listen. Warrooms could consist of 40 - 50 hitters. <--- That has much more to do with the social skills of the warchat leader as an individual.

Warleaders now are seen as great when they "finish" targets. Or pick the right ones to kill. But that criteria can't be more wrong. As the factors involved in turning such a decision in the best possible result (a kill) are partially controlable but most of it is out of the current chatleaders hand. (examples being: out of hitters, to much stock on the wallers end compared to your hitters left etc. etc. are all limitations)

Looking at warleaders of old, it was far more in their hands. Much more control. Warrooms consisting of 15 - 50 hitters. Managing those hitters was part of the succes of your warroom AKA being able to finish targets. Stuff like running into a waller was a challenge, would force people to devise a plan to finish that particual waller off. Criteria you could set for good warleaders then was stuff like: Tactics and strategy to target finishing, war room control in rushes, spy op use etc. etc. etc. Those criteria still count but are very much limited by the current amount of players. (Hence me constantly blaring that MORE players will solve most of the current problems (which are open wounds with bandages being sticked upon them).


As for pound for poundness I full heartedly agree that Elders is likely the only one trying to compete in that area.

@Gerdler I'm willing to gather up some SOLers/LaFfers to make Elders/mercs work for their much desired title?
If ABM as our new godlike leader agrees to it SOL can help you man handle whatever griefers come your way.

Let's chat about that :)

Edited By: Makinso on Dec 4th 2019, 19:18:07
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Dec 4th 2019, 8:17:37

Where can I sign up?

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Nov 27th 2019, 14:11:39

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Restart bonus gone = kills are stronger
ABs weaker due to this change

I think one of the things qz and pang has stated that they do want is for war to be about more than kills, so this is a step in the wrong direction with what they set out to do.

I'm pretty sure this is a work in progress tho.


Made a long post making an argument on taking away from war flexibility and war goals with these formula's accidently deleted it. Pang/QZ mind if we talk this over in person whenever you have time? I stand by the fact that a lot of these issues will be fixed once we fix into a bigger playerbase.

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Nov 27th 2019, 8:27:42

Well for the small numbr wars we have I guess ABs are completely ruled out as of now. It's ridiculous that you need to match buildings. Anti suicding stuff all fine. But stuff like this takes away from war flexibility ALOT.

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Nov 26th 2019, 20:47:07

So we were analyzing the hits on #20.

Countries seem comparable in land yet only 5 - 6K acres taken in 40 hits.
How the hell does that add up. It means taking half the land by ABs would take 160 - 200 hits?

Are we / am I missing something here?

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Nov 20th 2019, 14:12:49

....

The solution is easy. Upgrade the game to get a decent player base going. It will stretch the damage on risk/reward for going low damage and being suicided on. If you get a good player group going (unlike the 150 - 250 odd some countries now) by ratio the amount of suiciders won't grow much. Especially if you get new fresh players to the game.

What you guys are consistently doing is trying to bandagefix a system that was built for a 1000+ countries. An enviroment that had a natural risk / reward concept with risks being spread due to tons of potential targets.

Right now we see 4 - 5 suiciders a seton a 250 player base. Looking back through SOL boards, saved AT posts and EG stats we had at best 5- 10 a set when we had 1000 players. (I excluded organized netting ruin wars like Imag FSing a netting a tag to make a statement or SOL FSing LaF (which was unwinnable due to the fact that SOL had sustained two wars) to make a point about grabbing SOL restarts or L:L or w/e). I counted those as wars knowing you could see those actions as suidcidal (to do damage being the goal).

Back to the point it means by quadrupling the player base the suiciders only double up at best. So the more players the less noticeable suicider damage will become.


I've said it many times and will say it again. Go talk to the utopia guys. And how they manage to keep a steady 2 - 3K players (and have been keeping that for the past 3 - 5 years). And they have a standard fluctuation of incoming and leaving players.


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Nov 5th 2019, 21:43:29

Mods please delete BigDog

I've always been supsicious of that fluff!!
DELETE ALL OF HIS NASTY MULTIES.

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Nov 4th 2019, 6:54:50

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Originally posted by Requiem:
That even is leaving out the fact that you can have 3 offensive allies but only two defensive... If their goal is to top feed.

You forgot the 50% PS bonus.
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Smart suïcider with little self respect don’t PS much

Makinso

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Oct 31st 2019, 0:09:15

Originally posted by Drow:
Savage is correct.
a suicider is someone who is intentionally going out of their way to harm a clan's game. we aren't talking small numbers of landgrabs here, we are talking the mass missile attacks, AB's, nukes, mass farming etc. the sort of thing a clan will only do to another clan during a war, when yes, the odds of them getting killed in return are fairly good. If you can't tell the difference, then there is something wrong with you.


So what if said clan detags a few players to mess up their enemy pre-war or pre netting competition tot get an advantage.....
Is that suiciding? Is it politics? Is it war? If you label it suiciding do you delete the whole group/clan that instigated it?
Going on a ban spree for "suiciding" can get really iffy real quick. Have to tread really carefully.


The problem with suiciding (like netting like war) is the same as it is for all problems. PLAYERS. Or better said the lack there of. It's simple if you have 2000 players you'll have 200 suicidable netters. Chances on the same people being singled out for suiciding a few sets in a row are slim. (Unless specifically targetted on 1 person. But in general history that's pretty rare).
400 players only truly gives 10 - 20 top netters which are "worth" suiciding on. Thus the same guys get fluffed on a regular basis. Countering that with bans/deletions etc doesn't make that go away. Getting more active players will not make suiciding go away. But it will divide the burden. WHich also goes to say for "victims of war" to speak in netters terms.

As for SOL doing the bushel stock raid thing to netters, we did it rival in old earth. I can't remember doing it to TIE.

Makinso

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Oct 17th 2019, 7:34:51

That's about all I read aswell XD

Makinso

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Oct 17th 2019, 7:34:35

Originally posted by Chevs:
so tl:dr from what i gather
maybe we really just need to change this into a climate change thread, i heard sui once say fluff the turtles as he drank out of a plastic straw


LOL that made me laugh in the middle of my office with some co-workers wondering wtf.

Makinso

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Oct 13th 2019, 8:11:46

Originally posted by galleri:
I quit


Finally ;-)

Makinso

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Oct 10th 2019, 10:54:40

Effective end of this set I will be retiring from SOL leadership.
It's been a pleasure!


Until a replacement is found (if found) ABM will be handling all of SOLs external communication.

With regards,
Makinso
God of nothing and beyond.

Makinso

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Oct 7th 2019, 20:55:06

Well played Sir,

Well played!

Makinso

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Oct 2nd 2019, 20:16:34

KILL EM ALL!

Makinso

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Sep 29th 2019, 21:51:04

Okay .... thats true, Boltar will do things beyond your imagination....

Makinso

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Sep 29th 2019, 18:46:54

Don't do it Req.

It's a trap, it'll haunt you forever. Traumatizing stuff they do over there!

Makinso

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Sep 29th 2019, 18:46:21

Originally posted by Symbolic:
Oh damn the slit wars, I don't wanna think back too those days.
Originally posted by Symbolic:
Oh damn the slit wars, I don't wanna think back too those days.


Lovely era.
Originally posted by Boltar:
Originally posted by Makinso:
Originally posted by Raging Budda:
I don't think this has ever happened before....or maybe once...


XD

I think SoF is actually the alliance SOL fought the most in 20 yrs of history.
IX comes in second I think


lol stewie didnt war angy!!!


Meh 3 sets of that.

Makinso

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Sep 27th 2019, 21:02:37

Originally posted by Raging Budda:
I don't think this has ever happened before....or maybe once...


XD

I think SoF is actually the alliance SOL fought the most in 20 yrs of history.
IX comes in second I think

Makinso

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Sep 20th 2019, 11:15:05

Makinso Sex God

Makinso

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Sep 20th 2019, 11:14:17

Meh it's our aliens.

Makinso

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Sep 9th 2019, 21:10:10

2

Makinso

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Aug 27th 2019, 20:17:59

Was about to ask about that leg. Took me zooming in to see iT was under your other leg lol. At first glance i thought the NSFW pic would be the two Halves of your leg LOL!!

Glad you’re okay though!

Makinso

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Aug 25th 2019, 10:29:43

Originally posted by Boltar:
Sol's site still does that. They have a way to take it off tho.


All auto uploads now but yeah we can still set update requirement

Makinso

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Aug 25th 2019, 9:59:57

Kiss me