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Tmac:
BH has been honest with me in private messages. If you change your mind or aren't sure if you were being manipulated I can't possibly know that. I think it's best to go by what people say directly after an incident instead of months later. My post is only facts. If you think I'm lying about anything or leaving out anything please let the community know.
Right - that's why I'm telling you. I know you don't know what's going on in my mind, or are familiar with my current interpretations of conversations, which is why I wanted to share them.
My initial interpretation of the conversation was when Coalie was in my alliance on team, and I thought he was going to be with us going forward. I didn't realize at the time he was actually a Darkness guy, and I didnt know his identity.
The conversations I had with him and Gerdler (and superfly and req) at those times were when I was unsure of the histories of alliances, and didn't even really know who many people were. When Gerdler joined us in team, I didnt even know who he was.
At the time those conversations took place, I was very close with Coalie, and he had me convinced that Gerdler was attempting to manipulate me. I obviously believed that, and relayed that information to others.
It wasn't until after team ended, when I learned about who Coalie actually was, and started to understand the way the game was really played behind the scenes, that I realized my conversations with Gerdler weren't as I had once interpreted.
I realize that's convenient for that information to be shared only now, as it partially exonerates LaF, but I have mentioned this changing interpretation before, publicly (I'd have to find the thread).
This is not the first time I'm admitting that my interpretation of my conversations with Gerd had changed.
Ultimately, here is what I think is happening.
EVO is rightfully pissed their netting set has been destroyed two sets in a row.
You can blame me for the first set. I did that, and I did that on my own.
Mercs has successfully convinced you that I took those actions on behalf of LaF, and thus were able to secure your support in their war against LaF. As such, you supported them, because you believed they supported you.
This is the first instance of everything starting to fall apart. The reality is that Mercs is spinning propaganda to benefit themselves.
Once you started aiding Mercs etc, LaF, rightfully, got pissed. Many of them took it out on EVO guys on other servers.
TMac, we have discussed this. I was not a part of this, but I did have one or two resist guys who joined in on the attacks initially. They did this without my consent or knowledge. And I apologized immediately after. I understand why they did it, but I also felt it was important for Resist guys not to take part in those actions specifically because of what I had done to you all in the previous set.
I don't know if I have a strong opinion about LaF letting rivalries cross servers, but I have recently been told by Darkness that that is how things are done. So I can't really fault LaF for that.
After attacking you on other servers, FA aid still came to Mercs etc, so LaF made the decision that they needed to stop the FA from flowing.
There is no other way to deal with a proxy war then to attack the party engaging in the proxy. What would you have them do instead? Their enemy keeps getting replenished from a near unlimited source of resources.
Ultimately, had EVO not engaged in FA'ing, it is likely they would not have been attacked by LaF, as LaF didn't attack them the round before.
But they did engage in a proxy war, so I feel like the response was warranted. If PDM was FAing us, and we were using it to attack Mercs, I would expect Mercs to attack PDM as well.
I do not have the information to talk about whether or not alliances were canceled, when, and what discussions took place. But it does sound like EVO knew there wasn't a pact this round, and made decisions to FA an LaF enemy.
That's a choice that you can certainly make, but I don't know why we are surprised that their were consequences to those actions.
I want to point out one last thing. When I originally hit EVO, after hitting PDM and Omega, one of the reasons I did that was to get back at Darkness. Darkness says they will protect EVO no matter what. EVO is like their little pet that they guard.
The problem, for EVO, is that they then become party to Darkness antics. When Darkness wronged us in team, and I learned about their relationship with EVO, it made me want to hit EVO to get back at Darkness.
What I'm trying to say is that if you guys want to net, having such a close relationship with an alliance in Mercs/Darkness that antagonizes and bullies others, is a good way to get you on the bullied target lists. If I can't hurt Mercs, I'm going to hurt someone they care about. That's EVO.
You'd be more safe if you were truly neutral. But you're not. I think, ultimately, that's why you've been attacked two rounds in a row.
