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Hessman123

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Feb 3rd 2020, 4:02:42

1 Johnny Wafflez 53 44,733 acres $58,781,933 CG 1314
2 Dr Green Thumb 89 12,280 acres $40,773,991 DG 3320
3 I R WoG SuperFly 24 30,410 acres $37,395,995 CG 1230
4 B14ck M4mb4 23 25,846 acres $33,443,238 I 1294
5 How bout this 19 5,458 acres $28,031,919 HG 5136
6 conceal dont feel 7 24,215 acres $27,063,320 HG 1118
7 Its turtles all the way down 16 7,041 acres $26,120,588 H 3710
8 major nobody 84 21,254 acres $25,079,336 HG 1180
9 Rout 88 10,877 acres $23,902,680 TG 2198
10 Cheese makes me Fart 96 11,553 acres $23,612,707 DG 2044

Hessman123

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Feb 3rd 2020, 4:07:45

Congrats to Johnny, 44k is huge for express, nice finish

I was Dr. Green Thumb, just a skinny demo techer

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Feb 3rd 2020, 4:12:55

I really need to learn how to play commie.
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BaDonkaDonks Game profile

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Feb 3rd 2020, 4:57:19

I need to learn how to play anything but theo-techer. lol, haven't even mastered that yet. Unless you post top 12.... hmmmm

Gerdler Game profile

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Feb 3rd 2020, 6:20:51

Techer is pretty straight-forward on this server, very similar mindset as playing techer in Alliance calls for.

When you want to play farmer or casher thats when you need to start really thinking. Commie indy is consistently strong on this server, because of the short reset, and it is not all that difficult to play either, you get defence and NW as a byproduct of your income so that helps to protect against theo techer topfeeders for instance. :)

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Feb 3rd 2020, 10:08:33

BaDonkaDonks, I can't give you optimal numbers, as I don't have a lot of experience playing techer, but here is a basic overview:

As Theo, Get to about 400-500 farms, and 60-80BPT (depending on your target acreage lets say 15-25k). You want to get your farms built with about half your CS left to build, then build a chunk of CS to generate bushels. You should have a few hundred k bushels that you can sell to fuel conversion.

Convert to labs, some Indies at 100% spies, and start grabbing bots (PS is better). Only tech when you need cash, grab til about turn 900-1000. Always be selling max tech. Stock cheap bushels if you get too much cash on hand.

The less land you have the earlier you need to start your destock, start buying out your private on Sunday, keep teching turns until your expenses get out of hand (around turn 1700ish)

Lots of ways to optimise this, but that basic routine should get you t10 most resets.

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Feb 3rd 2020, 10:08:33

BaDonkaDonks, I can't give you optimal numbers, as I don't have a lot of experience playing techer, but here is a basic overview:

As Theo, Get to about 400-500 farms, and 60-80BPT (depending on your target acreage lets say 15-25k). You want to get your farms built with about half your CS left to build, then build a chunk of CS to generate bushels. You should have a few hundred k bushels that you can sell to fuel conversion.

Convert to labs, some Indies at 100% spies, and start grabbing bots (PS is better). Only tech when you need cash, grab til about turn 900-1000. Always be selling max tech. Stock cheap bushels if you get too much cash on hand.

The less land you have the earlier you need to start your destock, start buying out your private on Sunday, keep teching turns until your expenses get out of hand (around turn 1700ish)

Lots of ways to optimise this, but that basic routine should get you t10 most resets.

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Feb 3rd 2020, 23:06:21

I pretty much have that part down pat, its the end game where it falls over for me. Buying on private gets expenses way out of control. Do you consistently sell tech or just when maxed and then save sale for rest at end of set?

ssj4goku17 Game profile

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Feb 4th 2020, 4:03:23

Thanks Hess, nice net for 12k land. I was caught with hundreds of mils left and had to buy tech at end too lol

Techer is so powerful, to be able to compete with such little land. The bots buying Soo much tech helps too, especially when prices are decent. Also, since they buy frequently that helps you to keep using turns and grow. I have a screenshot of a Republic bot from set before last, 5.2 mil net, 12k land, maxed out Residential tech 180% (651k tech) and 179.7% Business (453k tech). I think bots are overbuying tech, they should probably stop around 172% or so? Also, they don't buy jets (I think this is true?) so it can be harder to sell those quickly. Indy is generally fatter to get higher nets, where techers don't need it. I get that the techer strat shouldn't require as much land as they should be using turns to tech and shouldn't need to just keep growing, but I still think bots might be overbuying tech a bit.

Don't forget also as Indy to run turns you need big sales, which can leave you vulnerable to kids that want to land-trade grab you which just hurts both parties (also, you can't sell what's out on PS).

sfbob Game profile

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Feb 4th 2020, 9:59:54

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Techer is pretty straight-forward on this server, very similar mindset as playing techer in Alliance calls for.

When you want to play farmer or casher thats when you need to start really thinking. Commie indy is consistently strong on this server, because of the short reset, and it is not all that difficult to play either, you get defence and NW as a byproduct of your income so that helps to protect against theo techer topfeeders for instance. :)


Yeah commie shoukd be an easy 30m finish just through buying enough tech, grabbing plenty and burning through your units.

Correctly taking advantage of the market gets you to 40-50M

No idea how a commie gets over 50m in express though but I might start playing again to try.

I always thought farmer was not viable in express due to the lack of turns?

Hessman123

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Feb 4th 2020, 14:41:53

Farmer is not viable in express..

Commie Indy or Techer if you want a chance to win :)

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Feb 4th 2020, 20:31:56

lol@hessman
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Feb 4th 2020, 22:57:12

Originally posted by BaDonkaDonks:
I pretty much have that part down pat, its the end game where it falls over for me. Buying on private gets expenses way out of control. Do you consistently sell tech or just when maxed and then save sale for rest at end of set?


Yes sell tech all reset, but only buy enough military to stay 'safe'. If you have spare cash then buy bushels and store on market until end of set, then sell them ready to jump.

After you do it a few times you get a feel for timing.

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Feb 5th 2020, 0:00:38

Originally posted by BaDonkaDonks:
I need to learn how to play anything but theo-techer. lol, haven't even mastered that yet. Unless you post top 12.... hmmmm


I don't understand why theo-techer is popular. I would think for theo you would want to focus on anything [i]other than[/i] tech.

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Feb 5th 2020, 0:02:28

Originally posted by UgolinoII:
and start grabbing bots (PS is better).


How do you know which countries are bots? Is that really a real thing?

Hessman123

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Feb 5th 2020, 1:23:49

Originally posted by Marshal:
lol@hessman


? what

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Feb 5th 2020, 4:50:12

[quote poster=trevjo; 48482; 931302]
Originally posted by BaDonkaDonks:
I need to learn how to play anything but theo-techer. lol, haven't even mastered that yet. Unless you post top 12.... hmmmm


I don't understand why theo-techer is popular. I would think for theo you would want to focus on anything [i]other than[/i] tech. [/quote]


How so? And what is your recommendation?

Gerdler Game profile

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Feb 5th 2020, 5:07:21

Originally posted by trevjo:
Originally posted by BaDonkaDonks:
I need to learn how to play anything but theo-techer. lol, haven't even mastered that yet. Unless you post top 12.... hmmmm


I don't understand why theo-techer is popular. I would think for theo you would want to focus on anything other than tech.

You are not teching for your benefit, you are teching to sell the tech to those cashers farmers and indies who would benefit from the tech.

Theo techer has pretty much always been viable in a few servers, at a time. Now for instance its viable in express, tournament, team and sometimes in alliance.

Hessman123

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Feb 5th 2020, 5:29:41

It's especially nice in express because you can also resell military from your PM

I still prefer demo though when playing techer.. as you can resell mil and tech with no commissions

sfbob Game profile

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Feb 5th 2020, 10:16:06

Originally posted by trevjo:
Originally posted by UgolinoII:
and start grabbing bots (PS is better).


How do you know which countries are bots? Is that really a real thing?


Bots are the countries with weird names - for examples check the top players > prev reset, all those countries in yellow were bots. Bots can be grabbed without fear of retal.

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Feb 5th 2020, 13:37:52

Marshal Game profile

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Feb 5th 2020, 21:20:49

Originally posted by trevjo:

How do you know which countries are bots? Is that really a real thing?


2 or more words as countryname and each starting with capped letter (like Captain Yellowbeard) and a lot defs and no attacks and besides indies spyop shows that no jets.
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sfbob Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 0:19:00

Originally posted by Marshal:
Originally posted by trevjo:

How do you know which countries are bots? Is that really a real thing?


2 or more words as countryname and each starting with capped letter (like Captain Yellowbeard) and a lot defs and no attacks and besides indies spyop shows that no jets.


There are one word bot country names too

trevjo Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 0:38:28

Interesting. Yeah here is a 1 word name bot, based on the yellow status in the prev reset top players:
https://www.earthempires.com/express/531/ranks/61
And here are some that have jets (though it doesn't look like most have 0):
https://www.earthempires.com/express/531/ranks/72
https://www.earthempires.com/express/531/ranks/32
https://www.earthempires.com/express/531/ranks/63
https://www.earthempires.com/express/531/ranks/47
Names are definitely weird lol

Also it's funny clicking the "I'm not a robot captcha" after typing up a post about bots lol

ssj4goku17 Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 1:55:58

For one, bots don't attack, so check news; if they've attacked then they're not a bot.

Bots also target 65 BPT fairly early, so generally 240 Construction Sites (except for I and H governments). They may be a little under the number of CS if they've been landgrabbed recently.

They use turns frequently, so assess the Turns Played on the spy op and see if it's near turns given in set at that point.

Weird Names, yea, but people can have them too so only use it as a clue (but some names you'll begin to recognize, like Blackbeard).

Generally built up defense and low to no jets.

Generally large amounts of tech (to the point of excessive).

sfbob Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 21:11:37

There should be something that explains bots to new players but no, for some reason it's yet another aspect of this game that is kept secret and people won't find out about it until they ask on the forums.

Gerdler Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 21:15:38

its not really a secret. the information is on the forums posted at least a few hundred times. You want a wiki that explains every aspect of the game in excruciating detail?

I suggest you make one.

Marshal Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 21:23:55

well we have wiki it's just not functioning properly.
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Feb 6th 2020, 21:32:48

Then we don't have it.
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Feb 6th 2020, 21:33:11

Can we have personal assigned bot land farms? I am not a fan of sharing the same whore bot that has been nailed 20 times by 5 different male players

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Feb 6th 2020, 21:34:31

La puta de SuperFly (#69)
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Feb 6th 2020, 21:56:50

lol

sfbob Game profile

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Feb 6th 2020, 23:07:33

Originally posted by Gerdler:
its not really a secret. the information is on the forums posted at least a few hundred times. You want a wiki that explains every aspect of the game in excruciating detail?

I suggest you make one.


Bots aren't a detail but a major aspect of the game, as important as turns, units or government type so why isn't it mentioned on the server details page? The amount of times this gets asked clearly it's not obvious to new players.

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Feb 8th 2020, 0:08:44

lol KoH