Laf, SoL and NA opinions on this?

would be fairly even i think

i would think you would need a ceasefire for a few days so everyone could prepare

hm that'd be interesting

I think SoL+NA would need FS and a few days prep due to breaker advantage.

sof would win by themselves tbh

I think SOL would need a few days to let their biggest breakers grow, but then it might be quite fair. I've been hoping this might happen tbh

I'd be interested as well, assuming we all take a break over the weekend... which will correspond nicely with the Boxcar server updates that will be going on this weekend :p

That would be interesting. And like they said, SoF still has plenty of breaking power due to their dominating war performance coupled with the short length of their war so far.

unless SOL and NA are mostly restarts at this point i highly doubt SoF if gonna take 100+ countries itself.

Helmet is back in SoF. They are invincible.

NA is *almost* only restarts. Exceptions being 1 country in vacation and a few rainbows (+ a few others).

SOL, not so much :) But then again, their war started earlier and they are way smaller atm.

SoF is looking for some fun, if any tag in the server is intrested please do let me know everything will be considered


fluff!

NA has 29 original countries Loafer, stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking! :P

lol detmer

Where is collab in all this?

Can't we rope in Collab and Imag too?

SOL / NA / Collab vs SOF / LAF / Imag

i think all you need to do is look at the total NW of SOL and SoF and that would pretty much dictate the outcome of the war...

SoF has more TNW than NA+SOL combined.

We's in that netgaining category for this set :P

This sounds great, but were supposed to make nice with SOL now? Aren't we mortal enemies for all time and all that? And who says LaF and SOF are buddies?

LaF bruised us up, while NA does seem to have really made a Scratch on ya.. We'd need alittle bitta time though.

so when LaF adds in their 15M TNW the SoF/LaF side would just be totally dominating in TNW:P

I think SoF/LaF would easily win if war started tomorrow just b/c SOL original countries would be killed early on and then...war over. Even if a few things were done to even things out before the war started, I think numbers are about even and SoF/LaF has higher average talent, just b/c NA is so effing dreadful at war (slash really the game in general these days), but I'd still welcome the challenge=)

I do like the sound of this war!

I like the sound of all wars!

we need 10 other clans... lone us half your members SoF :-P

/me starts frantically converting to oiler . . .

I approve of this idea!

In all reality though, right now Sof looks like an 800 lb gorilla among kindergardners, I doubt they would have a huge ammount of trouble with a sof v sol+laf+na war. Not joking one bit either.

They got FS by a sizable opponent, won, and now will still probably get TNW. Hate to say it Ivan, but I was wrong last set when I said you would not be able to hold it together. Kudos.

The old timers coming back really made a difference. You can see the difference they made as they smoked NA this set and got smoked by ICN last set.

Leave us out of this, are you TRYING to piss them off?!?!?!

;p

lets not be crazy here. LAF/NA/SOL combined would wipe the floor with SOF assuming LaF/NA/SOL could actually get along well enough to fight together.

SOF versus NA+SOL could actually be a decent war b/c of the ANW of SoF right now. Eventually, if the set/war went on forever, just b/c of the numbers advantage NA/SOL would win, but I'm not sure that would occur before end of set. A similar war occured the set that everyone went to war, one of the last sets of E2025. EVO was demolished by LaF early set(this was back when LaF was still a powerhouse and EVO got outplanned/destroyed for sure), and later in the set (after CFing LaF) found themselves fighting the much smaller numbers wise, but much larger NW wise TIE. One target a night for about 2 weeks we were able to lemming down and eventually kill and EVO eventually one that war decisively (it was part of a larger "coalition" war, but if I recall both sides mainly focused on each other)....anyways sorry for rambling, good times!

You confused two different sets Bobby.

oh really? my bad! man EVO fought alot right at the end of E2025...

I very much doubt sof will win anw unless they are cf'd right now. Evo or omega will win. Likely evo after last sets performance.

And archaic you really believe sof could beat over triple the numbers if we actually cared to fight/fight together and such...lemmings and gdi would turn the tide before very long.

what do you think SoF would be doing while sol/na regrouped? We would only grow stronger.

Im all for the idea tho, been a while since ive had a fun war.

They could hit iMag since they're probably bored?

one other pairing i was throwing around a couple of days ago was laf+na against sof or sol

wars kind of got really easily lopsided ever since the game changed from low civs/hit hitting down and high civs/hit hitting up

that used to end up in a point where most wars stabilised as the 'winner' got less and less kills each day and the 'loser' got more eventually plateauing around 5:1 in networth terms for equal sized opponents i think

obviously mil strat has an effect too since the 'winner' will be getting around 30% more civs killed per hit, which probably counterbalances the 'loser' having a higher proportion of tyrannies, which were either 0% or 10% higher civs killed back then

its definately better returns landgrabbing down than up these days, but im not entirely sure if civ's changed in the same way

what was old turn cap? 80(57)?

anyway assuming that was right

54 turns + 2x6 bonus's i think for ~197 turns in first 24 hours (15 turns stored left over)

188*2/7=56 hits
132 readiness turns tyranny - 32 missiles needed for max hits+spies assuming non 00:00 fs, hard to hit max hits+missiles need 26k acres
76 readiness turns mono - 26 missiles needed if 00:00 FS for max hits+spies, possible to get max missiles+hits ~15.2k acres
20 readiness turns demo - easy 20 missiles for max hit+missile

whearas now

120(120) and 2 6 turn logins and 6 turns from voting and 72 time turns

330 turns total
48 minimum stored turns left over, 282 turns max used

282*3/7=120

thats over double the max non missile hits in the first 24 hours
only 42 turns for missiles for a mono though, 21 missiles as opposed to 38 which closes gap but makes it easier to hit cap

i also seem to recall most unwalled casher kills being about 350 hits/kill, it only seemds to be about 250 these days for big cashers

anyway that suggest an efficient FS on a target that has to wait or does wait 24 hours to hit back should lose around 1/3 as many countries as they are attacked by

with the max being around half given some SR's CM's and the odd nuke kill

means its quite likely were going to end up seeing a lot of uneven wars after only a few days, where before it would take perhaps a week+ for wars to get uneven

or colab :)

LaF if yer really intrested in helping NA let me know, or anyone else for that matter SoF is open for ideas from anyone

enshula I've been saying that for a while now, but not as well as you. Thanks for that post!

As usual enshula lives in the world of math and not realism

i dont think killing 1/3 as many targets as you have people hitting in the first 24 hours assuming no counter fire is too unreasonable

thats only around 70% of peak effectiveness (excluding SR and missiles)

Like i said you live too much in the math world and conting on the optimal things which are never likely to happend

Your math is based on a few things

there will be enough ppl in the tag you hit with 0% sdi
there will be enough ppl in the tag you hit with 0 spies
no one in the tag you hit will come on and stonewall

Which isnt realistic

Also your math is assumed on the fact that everyone hits twice in the first 24 hours

maybe he's a haxor and his assumptions are based on his leet haxing skilzxors

erm, ps.. maybe the war can be done next reset :-D

And all of your reasoning is based on....nothing.... geez Ivan.... I guess I will still prefer to see enshula talk about math than you spew crap.

This game is sort of based on math...

but its played by people who in general arent very logical

and locket i used to think that you were a fluffy guy pretty sure ive invited you to join SOF on numerous occasions so who put somethin up your ass all of a sudden?