That's why I negated both in my equations, because they're identical in their randomness.

It would be like saying 10 block explores is better than 10 block explores because the 1st one game more land. It's random factor is a multiplier based on # of turns used on exploring. (Whether they are consecutive or not is irrelevant).

Of course it has the same x-faxtor, but the explore rate is the entire point. Especially when you are stepping down. I'm not saying it will be a big difference, but a few turns isn't out of the possibility.

And that is my entire point

You are assuming a lot with your static numbers. The gaussian curve says otherwise.

It is little things here and there you assume away. Like you count the added building costs if you batch, but not the higher expenses from added NW if you step. Or the more food required for the population. Or that you can build CSes while stepping but not that if you didn't step you would have turns for 14+ extra CSes or spy ops or attacks that add up.

Turns are the most valuable resource on a country. In my view anyways.

Where does networth affect expenses? You have to have units for networth to affect expenses. And the examples I'm giving do not include units.

Even so with units, at 1920 acres or 3840 acres how many units do you believe a player will have?

The expenses incurred from higher NW is based on every 40 mil net.

[ copied from LaF boxcar ]



Troops Upkeep: Troops * 0.12 * MilTech% * (1 + Networth/200000000) * GvtBonus * Constant
Jets Upkeep: Jets * 0.13 * MilTech% * (1 + Networth/40000000) * GvtBonus * Constant
Turrets Upkeep: Turrets * 0.17 * MilTech% * (1 + Networth/40000000) * GvtBonus * Constant
Tanks Upkeep: Tanks * 0.551 * MilTech% * (1 + Networth/40000000) * GvtBonus * Constant
Spies Upkeep: Spies * 1.001 * MilTech% * (1 + Networth/40000000) * GvtBonus * Constant

From the above formula, it can be clearly seen that every 40m NW your country has, will increase the military upkeep by 1-fold. That is, at 40m NW, your upkeep costs is double that of 0 NW with the same amount of military (theorectically speaking), and at 80m NW, triple that of 0 NW.

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That cost is no comparison to building costs of $24mil.

Food would actually be *smaller* for the non-block explorer, because their population would be *smaller*. Food consumption = (population *0.03)

And there's 0 alliances on EXPRESS so there's no extra networth expenses from that aspect of the game either.

where do you keep getting this 24mill from like it is some sort of god number?

yeah, it costs 24mill to build 1920 acres if you are on 3840 acres

but you still have to spend what, 19mill to build those 1920 buildings stepping up?

so you are saving 5 mill, maybe. with 15 turns at 500K per turn that is 7.5mill cash.

dude, it is the way you present numbers which is silly. maybe that is how you confuse yourself. or maybe im the one confused. you never use the same metric, or think comparatively, just bottom line.

STAHP!

or lets say you want to put them 15 turns to better use like building CSes, or exploring more land, or grabbing. 15 extra turns at 27 acres per turn is 405 acres im ahead of you by now. but hey, you got a few mill more cash!

turns are the most important resource. i would gladly trade 3-5mill cash in my first 350 turns for 15+ extra turns. It isnt a 24 mill cash difference like you keep spouting.

you assume away things that actually matter, no matter how insignificant you may think they are.

I assume Mr ford drives a chevy

i own 2 chevys and 2 nissans!

I'm glad you asked... I just added it to the program.

Acres: (1920) Total land: (2010) Construction cost (217800)
Turn #: 2
Acres: (2010) Total land: (2100) Construction cost (443700)
Turn #: 4
Acres: (2100) Total land: (2186) Construction cost (677700)
Turn #: 6
Acres: (2186) Total land: (2270) Construction cost (919440)
Turn #: 8
Acres: (2270) Total land: (2352) Construction cost (1168740)
Turn #: 10
Acres: (2352) Total land: (2430) Construction cost (1425420)
Turn #: 12
Acres: (2430) Total land: (2506) Construction cost (1689120)
Turn #: 14
Acres: (2506) Total land: (2582) Construction cost (1959660)
Turn #: 16
Acres: (2582) Total land: (2656) Construction cost (2237040)
Turn #: 18
Acres: (2656) Total land: (2728) Construction cost (2521080)
Turn #: 20
Acres: (2728) Total land: (2798) Construction cost (2811600)
Turn #: 22
Acres: (2798) Total land: (2866) Construction cost (3108420)
Turn #: 24
Acres: (2866) Total land: (2934) Construction cost (3411360)
Turn #: 26
Acres: (2934) Total land: (3000) Construction cost (3720420)
Turn #: 28
Acres: (3000) Total land: (3064) Construction cost (4035420)
Turn #: 30
Acres: (3064) Total land: (3128) Construction cost (4356180)
Turn #: 32
Acres: (3128) Total land: (3190) Construction cost (4682700)
Turn #: 34
Acres: (3190) Total land: (3252) Construction cost (5014800)
Turn #: 36
Acres: (3252) Total land: (3312) Construction cost (5352480)
Turn #: 38
Acres: (3312) Total land: (3372) Construction cost (5695560)
Turn #: 40
Acres: (3372) Total land: (3430) Construction cost (6044040)
Turn #: 42
Acres: (3430) Total land: (3488) Construction cost (6397740)
Turn #: 44
Acres: (3488) Total land: (3546) Construction cost (6756660)
Turn #: 46
Acres: (3546) Total land: (3602) Construction cost (7120800)
Turn #: 48
Acres: (3602) Total land: (3658) Construction cost (7489980)
Turn #: 50
Acres: (3658) Total land: (3714) Construction cost (7864200)
Turn #: 52
Acres: (3714) Total land: (3768) Construction cost (8243460)
Turn #: 54
Acres: (3768) Total land: (3822) Construction cost (8627580)
Turn #: 56
Acres: (3822) Total land: (3876) Construction cost (9016560)
Turn #: 58


It's exactly 9.016560 mil. And btw, that's much easier to achieve with a country that is using turns in increments.

still take the 15 turns over 15mill cash.

and im not sure that is correct

Im not assuming anything away. You need turns to generate money to buy those buildings. A person who batch explores will not have it all, a person who incrementally does, will.

It's a lot more than 15mil. The production from the country that's building increments is going to have far far far more cash.

1920*7260 = 13,939,200



wut? even assuming $7260 building costs it is 14mill, and you have to step that up, so it will be more like a 10K average no?

You're talking about a country with (1920 buildings and 1920 empty acres) vs a (country with fully built low 3000s.)

When you're 80% below your population, it's like getting hit with GSs multiple times. Your production during that batch explore is nerfed. Another major penalty for massive batch explores.

i need to stop reading your math. it is making me stupid.

it is going to cost more than 9mill cash to build 1920 acres incrementally

@ford: no.

im comparing 45 explore turns vs a playing using 45 turns total to build and explore. (same number of turns) so he's not going to reach it that far. That's why it's 9mil; however, even the country with smaller acres will still vastly outproduce the larger acre country.

If this is too much for you- kindly walk away. As soon as you disagree with someone you turn into angryford, going into name-calling.

not for long it wont....

and that said turn 58....

stop switching metrics dude! just stop.

you keep saying it will cost 24mill to build 3800 acres batching

how much will it cost to build stepping?

58 is the # needed to achieve the same amount of land. Obviously if i compared a country with more turns vs one with fewer turns you could not really compare the two. My whole point is that the turns spent on block explore you could do it incremental and achieve the same amount of land with fewer resources (and with significantly more production).

I just posted it. Aprx 9 mil. My original posts stated to do 2:1 build. 2 explore:1 build.

It also depends on the BPT. I have it set to 30 BPT.

it does not cost 9mill to build 1920 acres even if you are at 1920 acres building cost.

1920*7260 = 13,939,200

so even if i let you build 1920 actes at 1920 acre building costs (which you arnt) it would take 14mill cash

your calculation is wrong.

I'm going to assume you didn't get my 30 BPT.

2:1 build

so it would be 58 * 30 = 1740 buildings for 9 mil.

1740(acres)*$7260(per acre)=$12,632,400(total coat)

wrong again has nothing to do with BPT.

edit, i added labels!

Block explore : 43 turns w/ 30BPT +64 turns to fully build it. 107 total turns for 3840.

Incremental: 58 turns explore and with 49 turns to build (58+49 =107). 1920+1470 buildings. = 3390

It does have to do with BPT..

Building cost means cost per BUILDING.

If I'm building 40 Buildings per 2 explores... it will be (40*3*land + 1500) That's BPT.

dude, im saying it would cost you 12.6 million cash to build 1740 acres even if you were using the starting building price at 1920 acres the ENTIRE TIME, which you arnt.

your claim of 9mill cash is 100% incorrect. your fault has nothing to do with BPT. the number is MUCH higher than 9mill.

not quite

I could have 100000000000 acres. If I build only 2 buildings- it matters what your bpt is. The formula without a doubt is dependent on the bpt.

... that isnt what im saying dude. seriously. read.

9mill is a bogus number, even if you had cheat codes, regardless of your BPT.

Acres: (1920) Total land: (2010) Construction cost (217800) <--- first 30 buildings
Turn #: 2
Acres: (2010) Total land: (2100) Construction cost (443700) <---- 2nd 30 buildings (60 total)
Turn #: 4
Acres: (2100) Total land: (2186) Construction cost (677700) ect... ect... the formula is 3*land+1500 2186*3 + 1500 ( plus the two prior BPTs)
Turn #: 6
Acres: (2186) Total land: (2270) Construction cost (919440)
Turn #: 8
Acres: (2270) Total land: (2352) Construction cost (1168740)
Turn #: 10
Acres: (2352) Total land: (2430) Construction cost (1425420)
Turn #: 12
Acres: (2430) Total land: (2506) Construction cost (1689120)
Turn #: 14
Acres: (2506) Total land: (2582) Construction cost (1959660)
Turn #: 16
Acres: (2582) Total land: (2656) Construction cost (2237040)
Turn #: 18
Acres: (2656) Total land: (2728) Construction cost (2521080)
Turn #: 20
Acres: (2728) Total land: (2798) Construction cost (2811600)
Turn #: 22
Acres: (2798) Total land: (2866) Construction cost (3108420)
Turn #: 24
Acres: (2866) Total land: (2934) Construction cost (3411360)
Turn #: 26
Acres: (2934) Total land: (3000) Construction cost (3720420)
Turn #: 28
Acres: (3000) Total land: (3064) Construction cost (4035420)
Turn #: 30
Acres: (3064) Total land: (3128) Construction cost (4356180)
Turn #: 32
Acres: (3128) Total land: (3190) Construction cost (4682700)
Turn #: 34
Acres: (3190) Total land: (3252) Construction cost (5014800)
Turn #: 36
Acres: (3252) Total land: (3312) Construction cost (5352480)
Turn #: 38
Acres: (3312) Total land: (3372) Construction cost (5695560)
Turn #: 40
Acres: (3372) Total land: (3430) Construction cost (6044040)
Turn #: 42
Acres: (3430) Total land: (3488) Construction cost (6397740)
Turn #: 44
Acres: (3488) Total land: (3546) Construction cost (6756660)
Turn #: 46
Acres: (3546) Total land: (3602) Construction cost (7120800)
Turn #: 48
Acres: (3602) Total land: (3658) Construction cost (7489980)
Turn #: 50
Acres: (3658) Total land: (3714) Construction cost (7864200)
Turn #: 52
Acres: (3714) Total land: (3768) Construction cost (8243460)
Turn #: 54
Acres: (3768) Total land: (3822) Construction cost (8627580)
Turn #: 56
Acres: (3822) Total land: (3876) Construction cost (9016560)
Turn #: 58

ok, answer me this

if you has 1920 acres, and no buildings, how much would it cost to build them?

I'm showing you the math and you're telling me about a hunch.

1920*3 + 1500 = 7260 per building.

1920*7260=13,939,200

so, you are saying it costs more to build your first 1920 acres, than your 2nd? hell, you say it costs 9mill to build it right?

your math is wrong. the number is more than 14mill, probably around 19mill.

And guess what? 30*7260 = $217800 (30 buildings) as i have above.

You're not reading my posts is the problem.

Did you see my post about 2:1?

Explore, explore build 30 buildings.
explore, explore build 30 buildings.

58 times.

THat's 30 buildings * 58 = 1740 buildings.

your program is wrong. i dont know how many different ways i can tell you this.

do the simple math yourself. even if you were using 1920 acre building rates, it would cost more than 9mill to build your step buildings.

I'm comparing a block explore with 107 turns (which is 46 to explore and 61 to build it) vs 107 turns of incremental building.

The incremental wins by a landslide.

1740 ford... 1740.. 1740... lol.

I'm not comparing 3840 vs 3840...

It's 3840 block explore vs 3660 incremental (both take same amount of turns). Both fully built. But incremental wins by landslide.

im going to break this down to as simple as i can.

lets say you build your 1740 acres at $$7260 per acre

this isnt what you are doing, because obviously every time you explore, that number goes up, but for the sake of argument, lets say the cost doesnt rise

1740 acres times $7260 per acre is $12,632,400

this ignores your BTP, it ignores everything, because im allowing you to keep a low building cost. in reality, the building cost rises as you explore. so your average will be more around $10K per building. that would mean around $18mill to build them stepped.

your issue is even before you calculate BPT or ANY increase in building price.

step back from your program, and do some simple math. check your math. then find the problem in your math.

I read your posts, contrary to your beliefs. The explanation you gave is undeniable. The error must be in my program. Rechecking it.