Kind of freaks me out, meanwhile, Grandma is getting patted down, everyone has to remove their shoes, and people are forced to toss shampoo and makeup.

This is all the while those that care are having a connitption fit over phone records. Priorities....

I am all for these tests. I'm against making the results public. Terrorists have CNN too.

Ya, making that public without already having fixed the problem is as tarded as can get.

people hate the TSA because it's security theater...

if we want a airline screening service that actually works, people would lose their fluffing minds.

why?

look at El Al, and how effective it's been in preventing terrorist plots/hijackings... the issue with it is that it's pretty much based around profiling.

so we blast the TSA because they're horrible at doing their job, but the public isn't willing to put up with the measures it'd take to have effective and efficient airline security.

I am all for the tests. And the tests show that TSA is being largely ineffiecicent with the manpower it has. TSA gets bogged down in searching "random" people that fit no model of a potential terrorists. I don't fault the screeners themselves, they are being told what to do and what they can/can't do.

Trife, on profiling. Yes, TSA needs to profile, but not based on skin color. You can profile people based on nature of ticket purchase, amount/lack of baggage, behaviour at the checkpoint, and probably several more points I don't know about. The word "profiling" has gotten a bad rap in the US press because when you say profiling poeple autmocially assume racial profiling, To its credit, TSA has implement some from of this, with the person checking boarding passes asking me random questions while he goes through my ID/boarding pass. One question, "How was the drive to the airport today?"

i blame their mooslim president.

that's the thing, people want secured flights and travel. in order to get that, as El Al shows, you'll need to profile heavily, and probably includes racial profiling.

as the TSA's performance shows, if you start limiting the tools you have at your disposal, you're neutering your effectiveness.

it (profiling) isn't a perfect answer to this situation.. however, it's the method that has proven most effective worldwide. if there was a better way to ensure safer air travel, i'm sure a bunch of people would love to hear it

everybody flies in single occupancy planes.

you said safe, not logistically possible.

i we should outlaw planes tbh

if it's that important you can just fluffing drive or take a boat, rich uncle moneybags

Why would you not profile people based on race? In this case the USA is at war with a muslim country whose people are granted 40 virgins yada yada yada for killing themselves taking out as many of us as they can.

So why would you not search them? If they have nothing to hide then it doesn't matter.

By doing so you might miss the Timothy McVeigh, Unabombers, Boston Bombers of the world just to mention a few. "Okay you are white, just go on by, no need to take a second look." That is the message that is sent.

fluff that, if it's important enough get a job and buy a horse. or walk. jesus walked. even while swimming.

I'd love to see one example of the TSA being more effective than the security prior to them being formed.

95% ineffective and yet no planes have been blown up/used as a weapon due to terrorists in recent (since 9/11?) memory. If they're failing 95% of tests doesn't that mean they'd fail 95% of real world attack attempts? So in theory, if a group tried twice they would have pulled one passed us by now. This is the issue with government think tanks making your security policy.

My above statement was the main point out of multi-page report yet to be published, but the contents have been veriied by multiple sources.



I have no idea how these "Red Teams" who carried out the tests operated, but it seems to me that the hidden expolives/weapons were hidden very well, as would be expected a real terrorist would attempt. For the most part, terroists' aren't idiots and the fact TSA failed these tests scares me a lot more than parts of the "Patriot Act" expiring.

I feel 5% safer

The only problem with profiling..is that it works

Well I'd have to say terrorists, are indeed, major idiots

hey guys, how does it feel to have Seal Team 6 use "precise fire" on your faces as you hold women and children in front of you?

Espeically the underwear bomber....HA. Can't even blow up his junk properly.

I have a rock. This rock has prevented me from being the victim of a terror attack. I'll sell it to you for $10,000.

A rock, or THE Rock?

But what would you hide under if I bought it? ;)

Its always good to broadcast stuff like this all over the media so that the bad guys know that they have a pretty good chance of getting fluff thru :P

Last month when I was returning to the US, I was "randomly" selected at the Punta Cana airport for an intensive search. They took my boarding pass and passport and then disappeared to another part of the airport.

Every item in my carry-ons was checked, including looking thru every page of my novel, patting down every inch of my body, unwrapping my souveniers. When it came to him opening my jewelry boxes, he told me I could go take a seat. I said "oh hell no, I will wait here" Hubby went to find out where they went with my passport.

After he was done searching all my fluff, I was escorted to another station to be thoroughly checked for explosives before giving me my passport back. They left us with 5 minutes to go to our gate and board our plane.

PS ... I don't think I look like a terrorist in any way :P

i have yet to catch hpv through unprotected sex- guess that makes condoms of no use?

*sigh*...What I'm saying is that the threat level is over inflated. I'm not saying there is no threat but I am saying they are dealing with it in an inefficient, inflammatory manner with inadequate personnel in terms of actual security training, threat awareness and assessment training and general intellect overall. Although, I suppose I should appreciate the posturing on their part. Maybe that was just enough to make the terrorists think we had a watchful eye out. Now they know otherwise and so do we.

First mistake, taking braden seriously.

Second mistake, spending 10 min trying to reason with him.

schilling is a smart man, i doubt it took him ten minutes, but at all trying to reason with me is generally a waste of time ;)
and yes, i was not at all serious. budda knows me well

Well played sir!

Noted. :P

i guess when i was in monsters servant kept me in check. trife just lets me do what i want. i blame him.

The United States is not at war with any Muslim countries.

No planes were used as a weapon in the the same time period before 9/11 either. The current TSA system is idiotic and a huge waste of taxpayer money and traveler time.

Besides, there are really plenty of better targets nowadays than planes.

Even if that point was conceded, it doesn't bother you that fake weapons passed secruity so easily? We are paying BILLIONS of dollars to DHS, I at leat hope they are successful at catchig/detering/confisciating what they are tyring to do.

WERE YOU WEARING RED LEATHER PANTS?

What did the fake explosives smell like?

Well, least our government cares enough to pretend to give a damn about us being blown to bits by dah crazy mooslims.

Exactly. Not to mention the near, possibly over $1 billion we pay to private security firms and another billion or so in apparently useless technology at these airports. My guess is that the TSA will be removed piece by piece and a for-profit company will be brought in over the next few years.

Chocolate chip cookies?

is that schilling predicting a republican victory come sixteen? certainly rodham or omalley arent suggesting we (read they; im canadian) would gut tsa funding?

(and yes, i am actually asking.. a rare time i am serious..)

You mean exactly what we started with on 9/11 that was good enough for decades?

This has to be the stupidest agency ever created by the US Government. Department of Homeland Security, indeed. More like Department of Homeland Insecurity.

They will strip search a cub scout and feel up his granny, but that young Arabic looking fellow, they won't even glance his way. Do you know why?

They're scared that they might be "profiling" him.

THe DUMBEST thing that the government does is ignore reality for political correctness.

That is what is going to get people killed. Plus, you gotta remember that the TSA agent is only a minimum wage worker who is more likely to pocket an Ipod, or Ipad than he is to uncover a terrorist.

And the head Terrorist lives at the White House.

Never understood this. What's the point of TSA?
Wouldn't it just be easier for the terrorists to recruit inside the US? Considering your gun laws and so on it would be easier to get explosives too.

They used planes one time... I bet they have used cars more why are you guys not scanning/searching all cars in the US as it's more likely to be used?

pretty sure the dmv keeps records of those licensed and registered to drive, gains. my guess is any, at all, federal agency and local agencies have free access to said records.

in short: they do.

just ban islam, and third time offenders are in jail for life, like pot. it makes the most sense !!

As far as elections go, I wouldn't know. I don't get involved.

But knowing how a politician thinks I doubt they would gut TSA funding. You beef it up and use the TSA as a flow through entity to pay out on the private contracts. It gives you the best of both worlds. You calm panic stricken Americans making them feel safe(r) about air travel (and secure votes!!!) and you get to line some pockets and keep the lobby money flowing in.



Somewhat. But at this point we're following a system of putting sh*t on top of sh*t and then adding another layer of the first type of sh*t on top of the second type of sh*t for three layers of sh*t when what we should do is remove most of the first and second layers of fluff.

Previously we had a good set up of a streamlined well managed security policy. No policy is perfect but when you add more administrative and financial layers (and therefore policy) you become more of an impediment to security than an asset. It's a management issue, plain and simple. Unfortunately I don't think we've had an actual change in management in over 25 years and I doubt we'll get one any time soon.