That is bullfluff too, i am against farming, I dont say they can't do it, i say they shouldnt do it. I do consider there perspective. If anything its you who dont consider anyone elses perspective because you think it is 'unfair' when farmers get suicided on.

If you farm or your alliance farms you run the risk of being suicided, thats the risk you take, its not unfair, its not lame, its the risk you take, so dont post here that its bullfluff or pathetic.

Oh and FYI before you claim again that he doesnt farm

17:21 12/20/13 SS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Dalsland (#627) 79 A (+ 0 A)
17:20 12/20/13 PS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Dalsland (#627) 121 A (+ 0 A)
16:28 12/20/13 PS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Dalsland (#627) 123 A (+ 0 A)
16:28 12/20/13 PS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Dalsland (#627) 126 A (+ 0 A)
15:42 12/20/13 PS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Dalsland (#627) 128 A (+ 0 A)

14:58 12/16/13 SS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Revolution (#578) 71 A (+ 0 A)
14:58 12/16/13 SS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Revolution (#578) 72 A (+ 0 A)
14:58 12/16/13 SS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Revolution (#578) 105 A (+ 0 A)
14:58 12/16/13 SS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Revolution (#578) 107 A (+ 0 A)
14:58 12/16/13 SS looking forward to NZ (#282) (LaF) Revolution (#578) 178 A (+ 0 A)

and thats just two snippets of a fluff load of news. Check the whole set not the last 72 hours...

I dont consider it unfair when someone farming gets suicided by the guy they farmed. They took a risk and they paid for it. This guy hadnt touched this suicider and deserved nothing. And you know JAYR ONLY does that so supporting him is complete bullfluff btw. Support someone who actually is suiciding for a reason. Not someone who suicides for fun. People who do the second one make players leave the game.

So this is not an alliance game and alliance members can not be held responsible for there alliance mates actions?

It is an alliance game. If you want protection then join an alliance. Sof and every other clan acts that way on this server so unless you want to call yourself a hypocrite too then you can drop that.

The fact that it is an alliance game is relevant because having tag protection basically requires you to have allies who help with retals. That is why it is smarter to play in an alliance. You want tag protection? Play with friends. You want to retal on your own? Be CROATIA. You want to get killed? AB someone.

Just because I support alliance play on a server named ALLIANCE does not mean I support that the actions of one person in a 70 member clan should doom the other 69 to reprisals from those actions. It goes the same for spam tags. If I farm one guy and he goes berserk I would expect that only he would suffer the consequences. Standard procedure, even by YOU, is that if I hit you then you can retal me. If you hit someone else then you are breaking procedure. You do malicious attacks then you get killed whether you are in an alliance or not. 95% of untagged players on this server know the way things work. We dont have a bunch of random noobs wandering around playing and wondering why they get hit. The ones that do, come to AT and we tell them to join an alliance. Why? Because they cant stop people from grabbing them on their own.

I see nothing hypocritical other than anyone who supports a player's rights supporting someone like JAYR who only plays the game to suicide. That is a HUGE negative for a game and isnt allowed in other ones at all. Griefing gets bans in other games. Why do you support it here? Kind of pathetic.

If you grab me am I going to retal your alliance mate? I love how you try to point out hypocrite fluff and you are sitting in it. I very much doubt Sov or you would be fine with me retalling someone who had more land just because you represent your alliance. I guess suiciding is the only area where this argument is allowed to stand according to you.

The only reason i dont do it is because i play this game for the people, we both know that most of the people left who play only play to keep in contact with friends made over the last 15 years or so.

If i could retal another alliance member for a grab on me to maximise my land i would, but i know my alliance wont accept it so i play within the rules of that alliance, If that is hypocritical so be it, but I am smart enough to know that i wont make a difference, i still applaud people who stand up and fight on there own.

It is still however imo hypocritical for people to tell untags if they dont want to be farmed to join an alliance because it is an alliance game and then to say it is lame or pathetic when alliance mates get hit because other people farmed.

"That is a HUGE negative for a game and isnt allowed in other ones at all. Griefing gets bans in other games. Why do you support it here? Kind of pathetic."

Farming untags who are potentially new members and may leave with out looking for help is somehow good for the game bro? I dont think so.

New members are directed into primary. The game is set up to get them to the individual servers. The people playing on alliance are not new members.

And no one is going to play all explore like you want them to.

And if you claim you dont want them to then you support farming them. Want to know what will happen if everyone limited their grabs on a country to 1 per country per 72 hours? Everyone else who isnt farming would look around and say.. "that guy looks easy, Im gonna go hit him once." End result? Those 20 untagged countries get hit once by a larger group of people instead of 7-9 times by one person. Woo! What a difference that made! The only way to scare someone off is to run a country scary enough to get them to not hit you. That is something you should support based on your ideals. The only way to keep a country like that is to be very good or to be in a clan where you can learn the game and be taught how to do it. Most players in clans wouldnt even be able to manage that.

So what do you tell an untagged player? Go learn how to play and get taught how to do it in a clan. Why? Because that is the only way they will learn the game. Because that is the only way they are ever going to know how to run a country that can retal people so hard they stop hitting you (Croatia). And finally. Because they will play it for longer because they will meet people. Shocker for you but.. that is something YOU just listed. So yah we shouldnt tell people to join clans right? Totally the wrong thing to do. Just let them sit and not learn how to play the game. Not learn how this server functions. Much better.

Locket-- Scode is from New Zealand what does he really know?

I bet you he knows sheep. And he lives much closer to the Island of Scary Animals than I do. I bet you he knows the fear of an Aussie snake getting wings and flying over there better too..

I'd also argue that anyone who expects to do well as an untagged, or anyone who argues for untaggs (Scode), has a mental disorder.

gogy has done well as untagged, of course he's well known so he's not harassed that much as normal untagged.

Why hasn't Jayr been permabanned from the game yet?

You know Pang you are always whining about how some alliances behvae in this game, and yet you don't take care of the easy stuff like getting rid of Jayr.
I can guarantee that suiciding trash like him have caused more people to leave than the behavior of alliances.

Seems like there's been quite a discussion while I was sleeping.

Jayr joined LaF but was booted even before he could start cuz there were shady things going on with him. #825 or I'm assuming E2025's country, is a actually a restart of 752 who got killed after BRing me for 20k buildings about a week ago. And he is the restart of #661 who ABed candyman earlier in the reset.

So you have2 people with a grudge. I'm not complaining. You probably haven't seen anything like this from me the whole thread. But it disgusts me when ppl start thinking suiciding is justified and glorified. Grieving should never be justified no matter the reason.

Symac because Pang would rather fluff about how evil RD is and how Laf shouldnt be in the game anymore and how Sof are bad people instead of realizing how many people scum like KJ made quit the game or JayR. Griefing is hugely different than being a fluff clan like Sof and it isnt hard to define either.

Simple solution.

- You must be in an alliance in order to play past Turn 99.
- An alliance needs to have 5 members before it will be recognized by the game as an alliance for the Turn 99 Restriction.
- Any country that detags after turn 99, is not allowed to make any special attacks, including harmful ops and missiles.

Or the hard solution.

- Special attacks, harmful ops, missiles restricted to Alliance VS Alliance warfare.

LaF should have been in the war right after MD entered anyway.
Would have been perfect #'s
Cowards > LaF

I totally expected LaF to backup SoF too, especially after all the times that SoF jumped in for them.

Basically it is like supporting Fatty. :) I give you that analogy to chew on

Question for you all...do you hit the guy farming you with tons of defense? Or do you hit em where it hurts and hit the guy with little to no defense? Case closed.

Stop pretending like it is LaF's actions towards untaggeds which caused this suicide. We all know that's not the case. Many alliances farm untaggeds, but the suicide on LaF was premeditated. The suicide on LaF was for political reasons by someone has enjoyed tag protection from LaF's rivals. He created the country with the intent to suicide LaF. He didn't create the country with an open mind where suiciding Evo or MD or Omega was also a possibility. This was a pre-planned suicide for political reasons where the suicider picked a good looking country in Laf to mess up out of a personal grudge against LaF for LaF's actions towards other tags.

This is purely political, and this is someone suiciding for political reasons. So stop talking about the way untaggeds are treated. Start talking about the way LaF treats other alliances, because thats what actually caused this suicide.

Yeah, its not because they declare open season on untaggeds/small tags...thats not the reason at all, way to spin the turd a little more rockman

This is all just retarded. If you want to play untagged join the primary server.

You can't dictate which server i play on, i like this game so i play on as many servers as i can, now when a particular group of players bullies me on a server, i take action any way i see fit.

The whole tit for tat business would tend to dictate that to be fair you would at least target the people that did the farming... I think someone did the numbers about hits per country from alliance to un tagged a in the past and yes LaF did lead total hits made but was about 4th overall when it came to the average number of hits made.

The same guys that ab'd oldman also spied me... And I have not hit a single un tagged or spam tag country all set... Tbh I'm surprised I wasn't levelled also according to this mentality.

Also from what I've seen it's only been LaF countries (well those competing for the top spots anyways) that have been targeted at all this set :(

Then perhaps you should not dictate how others play the game Jayr? Perhaps you should grow up and not act like a child. I bet that is WAY past you though.

I tell them to farm me and other small countries into the ground, with no retaliation? If anything, I'm a voice for those who are repeatedly farmed and for those that cannot take up for themselves. Your mentality, locket, would be for small countries/tags to just play turns and become farmland and be happy with it...fluff you, you're just jelly bro

Yah you can keep on lying about that being why you suicide.. but no. It isnt. No one is jealous of you.

Your AB's wont achieve anything, you will continue to be farmed as you have no tag / or credible tag set up.

Rubbish what you have done, but its what the game has allowed you to do, thats a flaw in the game not the person.

If alliance was about being tagged, then there should be restrictions on the untagged countries, the fact that the alliance server lets you run untagged and cause so much damage to me means that the alliance server has a flaw.

I support trying to get people in the game, but this kind of fluff will make more people leave - not move to another server but just call time on the game.

There should be no way a little untagged country should cause so much damage to a country like this, its so easy for a country to get 100k-200k tanks and ruin your set, and the thing is it could happen to any country by random selection, in this instance its a Laf grudge, but any alliance can make a member unhappy and as a result that former member can hold a grudge, spy out your alliance and hit the largest member who is tank light.

Do people just run tank heavy from now on? Who knows, but I personally just think that untagged should not have that much power in an Alliance game.

For the record, I have never farmed untagged and pact the newly created tags to try an limit the farming on them. Thats me personally though.

Ok, since they shouldn't have that much power...how about make it where untagged can just peacefully net without being slammed 20x a day with LG's...then when they actually do something about it, everyone fluffes and whines that untaggeds are a problem. make untagged countries immune to attacks/attacking...

I think just like primary alliance should have a restriction against special attacks, preferably linked to tag warfare instead of GDI.

Untagged countries have no real reason to exist here. Just make a recruitment thread/forum for people who want to join or setup an alliance with at least 5 member on this server.

(and yes, I realize that means less bottomfeeding for the few who still does that. Bohoo so sad... NOT ;))

well what if nobody wants you to play tagged...what can you do then?

You can play on the servers where tags arent allowed and stop making an argument that even Alin could slam shut in seconds. "DONT PLAY IN TAGS ON THE ALLIANCE SERVER GUYS". fluff you aren't smart. At least troll in a semi decent way. Dagga at least puts something into his crap.

Can someone actually piss off all the alliances and not be wanted?

make the units that are involved in the special attack rest for 22 hours after the attack. or maybe limit the number of units that can be used for the special attack to 10% of what's available. they require special training to engage only the units that are the same type.

or just quit bellyaching about what can happen during any given set. ain't nothing wrong with farming or AB'ng available targets.

Me...

Share the love and hit all the clans then... Keep the playing field even at least.

i can do that...

with or without the help of Viagra? have you tried Ageless Male? supposed to work pretty good for those tired old athletes.

suck my unit.

E2025 - You miss the whole point of the server. On other servers team play gets you purple'd, yet in alliance its different if you try to solo, you have open season to ruin a solid netters set.

like I pointed out in my post I dont blame the player, I blame the game mechanics that allow that to happen on an alliance server.

I'm busy with pizza and brandy at the moment. cut it off and send it to me. I'll throw it in freezer.

I got what you said, make it impossible for people to hit untaggeds was my response...

Then you clearly didnt get my point.

and you didnt get mine...

And none of you got mine! ------> . <------

does make some kinda sense, but i think allies should be chopped if they are going to gain the benefit of not being able to hit or be hit by Alliance members.

Alliance server should not cater for untagged countries... its an alliance server.

If a tagged country cannot net in peace without significant FA/FR ground work, why should an untagged country be allowed to be unattackable. By being untagged you purposely make the decision to be a 1 man tag, your goal is not to net as an untagged. I can sympathise with tag's such as HGWT and Gambino on the farming, but again on this server if you create an alliance then you need to put in out of game effort, your alliance needs structure etc Its all part of this server.

If you want to play solo or in a small team then there are other servers to cater for your needs, I read you saying that you want to play this server, why should the whole server cater for the minority of untagged over the majority of alliances.

I believe you know the above, you probably even agree with it, but you wont admit it. This will be the last post I make to you on this as like I say, if the avenue is there for you to do what you did then thats a game fault for me, if that avenue were not there in the first place then you could'nt do what you did.

Your whole post is fluffing stupid dude, i only hit people that outright farm me for no fluffing reason. i've never just hit someone for the hell of it. i always hit tags that have a policy of openly farming other players. what gives YOU the right to farm me and then when i do something about it, cry and whine and beg for a rule change?

Switzerland plays untagged. you should write them a letter explaining why they are required to join a tag.

That's every tag on the server. No real alliance respects untaggeds. Every alliance farms untaggeds. If you want to play without an alliance, go play primary or express. Or create a one man tag on FFA.