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PapaSmurf Game profile

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Sep 18th 2013, 2:23:10

predictions?

800m/325m/160m

sigma Game profile

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Sep 18th 2013, 4:09:00

965m/530m/190m

silentwolf Game profile

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Sep 18th 2013, 12:59:45

500/350/200

Twain Game profile

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Sep 18th 2013, 21:42:09

530 for t25? That's just crazy talk.

The last two sets, t10 has been 375 and 560, basically. The land changes have hurt, but they seem to have been lightened a bit with the building costs being down a bit. I think it'll be a modest gain, but not where it was a couple sets ago.

I'll go:
500/265/170

on a separate note, it's nuts to me that the wars just a few sets back were so widespread that someone got in the top 100 with a country at 39M NW.

Dragon Game profile

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Sep 18th 2013, 21:47:57

600/275/150

Donny Game profile

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Sep 19th 2013, 22:22:02

mmmmmmmmm its gonna be LOW with me not putting one in the t10!
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ZIP Game profile

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Sep 19th 2013, 23:07:18

i'm oot too, i stoped playing a couple weeks ago... hell i just noticed a string got del from my tag.
fluff your 300 Spartans fool - i have 32 of the biggest fluffed mother fluffers made of titanium !!
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Sep 19th 2013, 23:08:33

remember that lettuspray dude last set shooting his mouth... it was him or his friend i gave the tag too.
fluff your 300 Spartans fool - i have 32 of the biggest fluffed mother fluffers made of titanium !!
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smegma Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 13:38:12

Colorado is blowing it away this set. go dude.

jcatron Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 13:48:16

I think the cutoff will be like this:

http://i.qkme.me/35copb.jpg





Edited By: jcatron on Sep 20th 2013, 13:50:46
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Frodo Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 14:50:01

Is there like a rule of thumb for a relation between stock amount and NW? Like does 1billion stocked ~ 500million NW or whatever?

bstrong86 Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 15:03:40

Can calc it from what your pm is gna be
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mrford Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 16:56:04

if you have reasonable mil tech, and PM destock, its around $259-262 per NW. roughly.
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mdevol Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 17:33:13

Colo jumped too soon...
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PapaSmurf Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 20:16:45

pretty sure he jumped like that in his KSM days too. he sells stock before food drops and buys military before skyrockets.

Dragon Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 20:58:02

Originally posted by Frodo:
Is there like a rule of thumb for a relation between stock amount and NW? Like does 1billion stocked ~ 500million NW or whatever?


That depends on several things, but specifically, how many tanks can you buy at the absolute cheapest price based to the market value of your stockpile.

I use tanks because they have the highest NW/Cost ratio. Followed by Troops, jets and Turrets. However, That is also dependent on several factors.

The easiest thing to do is to assume that you are buying out your Private Market with every dollar you have.

If you divide the value of your stockpile (be it cash or bushels) by the Private Market price of tanks in any of your countries, that will tell you how many tanks you can buy at that moment with your available money.

Multiply THAT by 1.95 and that will give you your estimated finishing NW.

So to formulize it, TNW = ((Vs/Ct) * 1.95)

Where

1)Vs = Dollar value of your stockpile
2)Ct = Private Market tank cost.

That doesn't take into consideration how much food you will need to buy to continue to cash your turns until you jump so high that food + cash/turn = 0, nor does it take into consideration fluctuations in market prices or reselling profit margins.



mrford Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 21:26:18

you do understand that troops have a better NW/cost than tanks right?

troops, tanks, jets, turrets......

and if most people havnt started destocking yet, they arnt going to just be able to buy just tanks anyways.

unit NWs

troops = .5
jets = .6
turrets = .6
tanks = 2


i know you are trying to help, but dont lie to the person you are trying to help. i cant net for fluff and i know this fluff.

Edited By: mrford on Sep 20th 2013, 21:34:07
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Frodo Game profile

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Sep 20th 2013, 22:55:44

I understand the nw/unit ratios. Cause right now in my private market it is better to buy troops than tanks, troops = $246/Nw while tanks are $250.5/NW. But of course that doesnt take into consideration private market running out, public market costs, etc... I was just wondering if there was a general rule of thumb for stock to NW.

PapaSmurf Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 2:40:09

If you want to do a rough calculation it would be ~3.8m nw for every $1 billion in cash. So, lets say you have 6.6 billion bushels stocked, and you sell them at $36. That is equal to about $237b in cash. Your country would finish about $900 million + your current networth.

Edited By: PapaSmurf on Sep 21st 2013, 18:53:42. Reason: dyslexia
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Angryjesus Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 4:56:38

this set is gonna suck

Angryjesus Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 4:57:51

last set was 374/229/170/147 for top 10/25/50/100.

Top 10 and 25 could jump a bit I guess.

I'm going 400/200/170/150 though.

pele Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 5:11:30

Nbk alone should have atleast 5 who goes above 700m nw

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Sep 21st 2013, 9:38:52

421/264/179

Twain Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 18:41:14

Originally posted by PapaSmurf:
If you want to do a rough calculation it would be ~3.8m nw for every $1 billion in cash. So, lets says you have 6.6 billion bushels stocked, and you sell them at $36. That is equal to about $237b in cash. Your country would finish about $900 million + your current networth.


That's a good way of doing it with smaller countries.

When you're talking about 900M networth countries though, you're very likely going to be destocking on public a lot, and I think it's tough to say you're going to be averaging $265 per point of networth when you're destocking on public at end of set.

mrford Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 18:45:43

i destocked a 1.2bill NW country off my PM last set

granted i had 180K acres and started jumping early
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Twain Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 20:51:46

Originally posted by mrford:
i destocked a 1.2bill NW country off my PM last set

granted i had 180K acres and started jumping early


And that would be why. The 300k NBK country can probably plan on 260/NW or so. If you're sitting at less than 100k acres, it's not terribly realistic.

Bigwiggle Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 21:20:29

520/210/155
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PapaSmurf Game profile

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Sep 21st 2013, 22:12:02

and there we have the winning prediction

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Sep 24th 2013, 22:24:22

Originally posted by Twain:
Originally posted by mrford:
i destocked a 1.2bill NW country off my PM last set

granted i had 180K acres and started jumping early


And that would be why. The 300k NBK country can probably plan on 260/NW or so. If you're sitting at less than 100k acres, it's not terribly realistic.


And I just jumped way too freaking early. I suck at this.

Twain Game profile

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Sep 24th 2013, 23:02:35

I assume you're not fully spent yet, right?

Regardless, it's always a learning experience. I've learned a lot about both playing the market and how to best destock the three times I've made a push into the t10.

I decided against going for a t10 this set, but I'm sure I could've been much more successful this set than last because of lessons learned. You'll be the same way if you get another chance to netgain for a full set. Of course, if you stay with NBK, I'd be curious if that happens. Two peaceful sets in a row for NBK. I'd be a bit shocked if they go 3.

mrford Game profile

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Sep 24th 2013, 23:29:04

im aqua, and im pretty solo right now. i think a CC member snagged my tech 2 times, and it wasnt much. now, im not saying ill fly solo the rest of the set, but i suck at netting and i got a 710mill NW country solo so far with more than a week left.
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smegma Game profile

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Sep 24th 2013, 23:30:52

not spent, but man my cash button sure is broken right now, I should have waited about 2 or 3 more days.

I swapped over to NBK to kill some things. but it has been too quiet. I have thoughts about coming back to Pan, but Papa makes the coolest medals.

Sooo torn.

Twain Game profile

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Sep 25th 2013, 0:03:28

Well, NBK are a good group of guys and we're not offended that you left, but if you want to come back to PAN, we'd be happy to have you.

pele Game profile

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Sep 25th 2013, 6:21:02

I jumped to soon aswell, but i have never netted in FFA before so like Twain says there is much to learn... Next time ill do better. Im not done yet though.. Got some cash left ;)

Angryjesus Game profile

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Sep 25th 2013, 11:56:12

I might be a little low on top 10/25. I still think 50 and 100 will be pretty low though.

pele Game profile

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Sep 30th 2013, 8:54:27

Atm its 414 m is top 10

About 3 days left

Twain Game profile

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Oct 3rd 2013, 1:30:40

Actual: 551/232/147
Bigwiggle: 520/210/155

From what I can tell, he's the closest again.

PapaSmurf Game profile

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Oct 3rd 2013, 1:59:09

I assumed more people were going for top 10.

Bigwiggle Game profile

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Oct 3rd 2013, 3:07:59

Ooh yeah. Glad the t100 was a little lower so I could sneak mine in there
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Oct 3rd 2013, 11:13:36

snuck it in and never even woke her up ;)