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good for him.

how much says the martin family files a civil suit on monday?

when retards collide

No justice, no peace?

\me puts on tin foil hat and braces for the race riots.

The funny thing is his wife is going to jail and he's not.

any lawyer worth his salt can raise a reasonable doubt in a long drawn out case like this

all hail the justice system!


im all for gun rights, but zimmerman is at fault for that kid being dead. murder ot not. he didnt have to follow or harass him, the 911 operator even told him to back off. now whether it was self defense after he followed this kid for a mile, who knows.

Typical fluffing americans!!!

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quite honestly ppl are getting out of control in the US, so many ppl slip through the hoops of the justice system some get screwed weather by the system or by the social order of things. What I think is probably alarming to some, but well I guess everyone takes pictures with guns nowadays, but wtf was a kid doing in a photo with a pistol, mean mugging like its the thing to do. That might be a clear indication that the kid was indeed crazy and dangerous. Maybe Zimmerman thought he was protecting the ppl in the neighborhood, living in the area he probably new something of what this kid was like and maybe wanted to confront him b4 he did something harmful to someone who is unsuspecting. Why do we have guns in the US? Because we cant carry a police officer with us everywhere we go, its much lighter to carry a gun. The problem in America is that kids are losing respect for there fellow countrymen because America is turning into a cut-throat society, many ppl who have kids, don't know the first thing about being parents, so they let their kids raise themselves and now look what happens, this poor kid who was misguided and unaccounted for by his parents, decides to do whatever he wants, which includes robbing houses and he gets killed by someone who clearly has no toleration for crime in his neighborhood. Now everyone will think this man a murderer when in fact he was actually intending to protect his fellow neighbors until the cops showed up, because ppl can still die in the time it takes for cops to get there and someone in fact did die. I was not there to see what happened, but things are always different when your the one in those shoes. The fact is that justice was served in one way or the other.

looks like the police were correct for not arresting him in the first place and the internet idiots who signed the petition should pay all the legal expenses related to the trial. though i doubt that it's a jury of your peers if it's composed of 100% women. is he going through some kinda sex change operation, or is he just a fluff?

well one side of the story from the only alive person who was there verses a prosecutor's let me tell you a story I imagined in my office and you should just believe me.... a Once upon a time there was a...

no riots yet?

i don't see any being reported. so there aren't any or the liberal media is conspiring to cover them up. i didn't see any when i went grocery shopping this morning.

I watched a good majority of this trial, neither side proved innocense or guilt..

I hate ho it has gotten turned into a race issue, black kid or white kid i think this guy would have shot whoever. 2.2 mil signatures asking for charges b brought..stupid fluffing people, obviously they didnt charge him in the beginnung for a reason..waste of tax dollars

My problem with the whole thing is when did it become OK for a town watch person to carry a weapon? I don't think that the community that was being "watched" had the authority to grant the authority to allow Zimmerman to carry concealed on the job, he was not a duly sworn law enforcement official by any stretch, so he should not have been armed in the first place.

I dont know if he had a permit to carry or not but if he did, he was well within his rights to have it

Agreed, bstrong86 if he had a permit to carry he was well within his rights. My problem with it is who authorized him the capability to use lethal force on behalf of that neighborhood that he was watching?

That usually takes at least a city charter authorizing a committee for public saftey.

i suppose you should let someone beat you to death before fighting back then, lemme know how that works out for you.

He carry a firearm for self defense and obviously he has the permit for it. He didnt use lethal force on behalf of the neighborhood, he used it as self defense which was just proven by the jury verdict.


It could have easily gone the other way around being a colored boy fatally stabs a white husband/son/father. But this is where it get interesting. Even though im not from the US, i am almost certain that if it were the other way around, that black boy wont even make it to the stand. He'll either be chased and fatally wounded by the cops, or confess at the precinct for murder. Would he had the same fair trial that zimmerman had ?

the jury verdict did not prove he did it in self defense at all. It proved that they failed to show beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't.

that would be the Christian thing to do. personally, I'd rather beat them to death since it would allow me to get rid of the stress of having to deal with them to begin with.

there have been recent changes to gun laws in Florida. i don't remember the scope of them though. not sure that people need a carry permit there, and there's the "Stand Your Ground" law?

what are you even TALKING about lol. neighborhood watch isnt an enforcement agency by any means, and it sure ad fluff never authorizes anyone to use deadly force, or any force at all other than maybe the castle doctrine, and that doesnt apply for following some kid through your neighborhood. a neighborhood watch is a group of neighbors that just do that, watch each others houses ann call the cops if anything funny goes down.

this zimmerman dude was just some wanna be tryhard at it, and you see how it ended.

^^^^^^^^ they never had a case, all the defense had to do was not put Zimmerman on the stand and they had it won....i mean come on, casey anthony is a free woman in florida....u really thought Zimmerman was going to jail?

Self defense in respects that his life was in danger, but after he followed the boy. The point b4 that he may have had in mind to protect the ppl. Once he confronted trayvon he realized the kid had him and pulled out his gun in self defence.

You must have been watching a different trial. The trial that I saw and read about was anything but fair for Zimmerman and his counsel.

From the prosecution withholding evidence about Treyvon to the judge trying her hardest to hand the prosecution the case, this trial was little more than a media circus, brought about by race baiters who want the citizenry divided and others who want Florida's Stand Your Ground law struck down.

There will be more trials with these agendas in mind in the near future.

First of all, Zimmerman had every legal right to get out of his car and follow/observe Trayvon Martin. The government did not prove that the confrontation started while Zimmerman was following and observing Martin. Zimmerman had stopped following Martin and was going back to his car when Martin confronted him and the government could not prove otherwise. The government could not prove one point at which Zimmerman did something that he didn't the right to do. Then Trayvon Martin punches him, gets on top of him, slams him into the ground, and gets shot for his efforts.

The government had no case. The only reason the prosecution was brought is because political hooligans demanded it. The jury returned a verdict that told them to keep their politics out of law and order.

Sounds about right, however I believe Zimmerman did the right thing, I wasn't argueing that! Im not sure if you read what TNT posted but what I said was a response to the part where he said Zimmerman didn't use lethal force on behalf of the neighborhood, but in a sense I believe that was the initial intention.

my thoughts.... It's called neighborhood WATCH for a reason... you watch and report... not watch, chase, fight, and when you are in over your head by your own doing.. shoot to kill, was certainly not in Defence like he said.

Zimmerman didn't fight, not that the government could prove. Trayvon Martin chose to turn this into a fight. Did George Zimmerman have the right to get out of his car? The answer is simply yes. Did George Zimmerman have the right to follow Trayvon Martin? Again, the simple answer is yes. The government could not prove that, at any point, George Zimmerman did something that he did not have the right to do. The only people that proved much of anything is the defense proving that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. The defense proved that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin only when Martin was on top of him, slamming him into the ground. The defense proved that the injuries Zimmerman had were consistent with injuries that could have killed him if the assault had been allowed to continue. The defense proved that Trayvon Martin used the sidewalk as a weapon against George Zimmerman.

If the Martin family sues Zimmerman for wrongful death, he needs to turn around and slap the Trayvon Martin estate with a lawsuit for attempted murder, assault and battery, and inflicting emotional distress on George Zimmerman.

Cant blame it all on the white ppl, Zimmerman is part latino!

blame it on the white people. it's obviously a Nordic conspiracy to bring slavery back into existence so they can put on their Viking helms and start pillaging again.

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That wasn't proven either.

The lack of proof of one story doesn't make the other guy's story suddenly proven true.

It doesn't matter who started the fight. What matters is the situation when the gun was fired. There was a witness to that state who said the person in darker clothes(Martin) was on top punching MMA style.

As far as I'm concerned the whole thing has been fluffed up from the start, and neither side was right. But legally there was no way to find Zimmerman guilty that wouldn't lose on an unbiased appeal given the facts as stated in the courtroom.

Oakland california had protests, they broke windows and started fires, destroyed police cars. This is now a civil rights movement for the black community. This was never about murder, it is about getting automatic special consideration and treatment in all circumstances.

I also considered this myself, its always about race in this country.

do you have sex with everybody that asks, or are you a discriminating sexist? was always about race period.

I see a couple of myths from Zimmerman defenders repeated all over the place.

1.) Zimmerman did not have "every right" to follow Martin because he followed him across private property.

2.) Zimmerman clearly lied about the extent of the fight. His injuries were pathetically minor. There's zero chance repeated concrete strikes would cause only a 2 cm and 0.5 cm cut. There was also no DNA on the concrete at all. Moreover there's no chance Martin landed over a dozen bare-knuckle blows as there would be more damage to his knuckles and Zimmerman's head.

3.) A medical doctor never diagnosed Zimmerman with a broken nose. He declined to go to the hospital that night and when he saw his physician he simply told them he had a broken nose. When that doctor gave him a referral to a specialist he declined.

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martin wasn't on trial, and his actions were secondary to zimmermans being at fault (outside of jackson and sharp, who rallied behind this cause? their constituency? why am i not surprised?)

under a court of law, with a fair trial and jury, yes, some very well might argue it does prove this.

(um, re-reading.. i very likely am incorrect- so, grain of salt, heh)

1. That would depend upon what the property owners of those specific properties had said previously and was Zimmerman on the private property or following on public property?

2. If someone is trying to slam you into the sidewalk, aren't you going to resist? He might not have been injured severely, because he successfully resisted being slammed. It was also indicated that at some point the two maneuvered off of the sidewalk in their fight. At any rate, continued hits to the head most certainly can kill you. That's not the question though, you can reasonably fear for your life without actually being injured at all.

3. He didn't go to a doctor, so he isn't telling the truth. Okay then.

The bottom line is there is no evidence whatsoever that supports concrete strikes and over a dozen bare knuckle blows. When you combine this with Zimmerman's 100% proven lies such as that he knew nothing about Stand Your Ground before the fight, and he and his wife conspiring to deceive the court about his assets it paints a story of a dude making fluff up to stay out of jail.

Think about all the protests and petitions organized against gz before his actual arrest. Every african american organization in the country crying foul. Usuing the memory of an up and coming common thug as an example of the american non black community violating their constitutional rights at every turn. Using TMartins name and the repeal of the black voter fluff in the south, even slavery in the same breath. TMartins death was a door opener for dividing racial rhetoric from black churches, organizations and movements like the naacp, nation of islam, black panthers. Not once do they honor tm, they use his circumstance to push a political position.

anyone notice that most black community leaders are all preachers?

The bottom line is that: 1, there was evidence of Zimmerman's head being struck on concrete. Not hard, but evidence of strikes on concrete if Zimmerman had been resisting (which one would honestly expect of someone being attacked). 2, these injuries indicate an attack that could very well be lethal if it continued. And 3, it was up to the prosecutor to prove otherwise and they completely failed.

A couple of testosterone laden assholes got in a fight in the street in Sanford FL and one of them got killed. This is national news?

Who cares? I mean really why would I bother to follow this crap or worse yet WATCH a trial on tv?

Angel1: no there isn't on #1. Why was there NO Zimmerman DNA on the concrete? Why did the medical examiner say the head injuries were inconsistent with concrete strikes? You can admit he embelished the fight and still believe it was self-defense you know.

The states medical examiner is a total fluffin moron. He was changing his mind on his findings alot. He had no credibility. It looks as if they found a puppet to paint a picture based on the states crystal ball story of what they think happened that night.

A guy dies another justified killing him. So fluffing what. Black, white, brown, pink, purple who gives a fluff.

if it was one of those purple bastards id say string the grapeback up.

healthcare is expensive. why go to a doctor if it'll heal by itself? I'm afraid to walk because i think the doctors will start charging simply because they looked at me.

oh, and put Martin on trial. he wasn't an adult and his parents are accountable and responsible for his actions.

He was afraid he was going to die and was losing consciousness 5 minutes before he declined to go to the hospital according to him lol