http://upload.wikimedia.org/...alismisamentaldisease.jpg

Any credibility you might have had... just went out the window.

:-) i love the irony involved when noob posters talk about creditability.

So is conservatism. I can't believe you guys still believe that Republicans are actually in favor of small government. You don't hold them accountable for their actions in office. You completely ignore reality.

Even funnier, you believe that you can be a Christian, and still vote for warhawks. It's really pathetic that the pacifist movement has primarily come from left wing atheist socialists, and not Christians.

I rarely agree with you Rockman, but well said.

Rockman Conservatives != Republicans.

The current republicans are not very different then the democrats I've said that before.

I think here, rockman, we must account for relativity. I agree with you - the republican party has strayed from it's original moorings, however, the republican party is indeed, RELATIVELY speaking, in favor of less govt than the democratic party.

req is a rockstar

i am super hungover, did everyone have a nice new year's eve/new year?

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED MOVE ALONG

he didn't say they were. What I read from his post was an admonishment for the support of the republican party.

MauricXe he was comparing Conservatism to Republicans and that isn't necessarily accurate. Not all Republicans hold to conservative values.

Sure, but he didn't say that they were.

Civil rights were nice, women's suffrage was OK, slavery was bad of course, but you know what? We've progressed as a society exactly as far as we need to, so no more social changes should be necessary from this point forward. Hear that, gay people?

Conservatives today blocked the Violence Against Women Act - for the first time since 1994. Why?

Cantor doesn't think Native American women should have the right to not be sexually abused. This law would have closed a loophole -- non-Native American men who abuse Native American women on reservations formally have no court where there is jurisdiction to try them. Since abuse rates on reservations are between 3 to 18 times the national average, this is actually a significant issue.

And that's just within the last 24 hours.

Yesterday, conservatives rejected the federal aid bill for Sandy victims.

And the OP actually thinks liberalism is the mental disorder? Wrong - Conservatism is a mental disorder.

that bill for "Sandy relief" was a bunch of bs anyways..you do know what they wanted to rebuild right?

Did the Republicans or Democrats end slavery? I forget...

Sandy relief was not a "bunch of bs" - post a link that's not from fox news to explain your point.

It's been 66 days since Sandy and nothing. Katrina relief took 10 days.

The Senate already passed the bill.

who do I contact in the Chinese government to request the loan so that we can send the aid?

claiming that a political view is a mental disorder is in and of itself a mental disorder.

In any case read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. That's the world neoconservatives wish to create.

We are borrowing 4 billion dollars per day to run our country.




Martian you be quite space man!

you know if you cut your military in half you wouldn't need to worry about running deficits at all.. :P
just saying...
++controversial statement time!

Or fix the healthcare system, better quality for half the price like in other countries. Just go socialist :P

thought Obama fixed that by getting everybody who makes anything to pay for all the free loading worthless bastages that spend their entire day smoking crack and making babies... oops, think i forgot to self censor something.

Its a first step. but just socialise every facet of the healthcare system.
Cut military budget in half as martian suggests.
Increase gas tax so gas is $10/gallon.
Subsidize renewable energy by using a feedin tariff.
Use sensible trade tariffs to protect domestic industries.
Change land use policies to allow for more high density developments.
Reduce higher education tuition fees by 90% by subsidising it more.
Restore and expand the railway system.

etc etc. The solutions to your financial problems are available. Problem is, who wants the solutions?

the solution to my financial problems is to move to a country that allows me to make money without a bunch of thugs stealing from me to pay their bills.

Spaceman this is your last warning!

oh my! a 10% off sale. we love sales.

Meh, republicans/democrats, same fluff two different piles

ill give you a couple:

http://www.policymic.com/...ions-in-wasteful-spending

http://urbangrounds.com/.../sandy-relief-bill-kille/

^last one is more of an opinion based article, but if you read far enough down it gives you bullets of exactly whats in that deal...

http://radioviceonline.com/...nding-unrelated-to-storm/

so yes the bill they sent up was a bunch of BS...if your only argument is "well its called sandy relief" then gtfo

and good try to call me out on "listening to fox news" but if you'd stop watching cnn and looked around the web, you might be less of a douche in the future....

@Requiem.. common.. make my day!

As someone who has views that lean more to the left I'd just like to note that MSNBC is a more fitting reference than CNN. CNN just leans whatever way gives them more money on any given day.

Megellaan for real most of your list is more mass waste of spending:
:08:41
Its a first step. but just socialise every facet of the healthcare system. how much this going to cost. ?? does that mean we stop footing most of the bill for the rest of the worlds, or are we still paying a grand for what we claim we can send to africa for a dollar?
Cut military budget in half as martian suggests. thats 300B saved?
Increase gas tax so gas is $10/gallon.
Subsidize renewable energy by using a feedin tariff. you mean competting with $10 a gallon gas this crap still needs to be subsidized for what reason? just cause we have to prove we can still waste money?
Use sensible trade tariffs to protect domestic industries. sensible and government is rare..
Change land use policies to allow for more high density developments. I dont see the US having to much trouble building upward
Reduce higher education tuition fees by 90% by subsidising it more. Please explain how taking my money to pay the government employeees to then send my money to some college is making it cheaper for me to go to college? I would think that the more we have subsidized upper education the faster the bill has grown.
Most Universities I would say are more into the Grants then they are tuition already
Restore and expand the railway system. at the cost of how many billions? Is this a Train to Nowhere?

eh whatever :-p

i agree, op

COMBAT LIBERALISM

September 7, 1937

[L]iberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration in certain units and individuals in the Party and the revolutionary organizations.

Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.

To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.

Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.

To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.

To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.

To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along--"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.

To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.

They are all manifestations of liberalism.

Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension. It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency.

Liberalism stems from petty-bourgeois selfishness, it places personal interests first and the interests of the revolution second, and this gives rise to ideological, political and organizational liberalism.

People who are liberals look upon the principles of Marxism as abstract dogma. They approve of Marxism, but are not prepared to practice it or to practice it in full; they are not prepared to replace their liberalism by Marxism. These people have their Marxism, but they have their liberalism as well--they talk Marxism but practice liberalism; they apply Marxism to others but liberalism to themselves. They keep both kinds of goods in stock and find a use for each. This is how the minds of certain people work.

Liberalism is a manifestation of opportunism and conflicts fundamentally with Marxism. It is negative and objectively has the effect of helping the enemy; that is why the enemy welcomes its preservation in our midst. Such being its nature, there should be no place for it in the ranks of the revolution.

We must use Marxism, which is positive in spirit, to overcome liberalism, which is negative. A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any private person, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist.

All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.

On healthcare

What? You barely send anything to Africa.
Socialised healthcare is more affordable and higher quality. Look at Britain, you can cut costs in HALF. That alone would go a long way to solve the financial mess.


That's nice right


$10/gallon would force people to make different choices as to what car they buy, where they live etc. This would greatly reduce oil imports and make the user pay for the roads he uses. It's a truly brilliant thing to do, from a financial standpoint.

Feedin tariff on renenewable energy work great, Germany is already starting to lower the subsidies as renewable energy is becoming more profitable. It also didn't cost that much to begin with, about 5-10 dollars per household per month. For over 30% renewable energy in 2020. Brilliant right.


Unfortunately, but it would be good for exports.


Well, look again. US cities are incredibly spread out. There's a reason the rest of the world doesn't do this. Because higher density cities are much more affordable.


More poor kids are willing to go to university if it's more affordable. It's about having an equal oppurtinity, I'd go as far to say that it's about the American Dream. A lot of talent is wasted right now and that hurts the economy.



Cities would have to be made denser, those places need good public transit. It's a money saver that way.


Well, as I said.. there are solutions. But who wants them? Not that many people I think.

In the US, taxes are incredibly low compared to other countries, such as those in Europe, where the tax rates are far higher. You're actually paying a lot less then you would in another country.

While we're on the subject of taxes and paying for yourself, I'll point these two articles detailing the difference between red states and blue states:

http://www.slate.com/...more_from_your_taxes.html

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/...the_red_state_ripoff.html

http://www.motherjones.com/...axes-spending-charts-maps

In general, the blue states, or states that voted Democrat (and are typically liberal) are actually supporting the red states through taxes. Out of all the states that went for Romney, I believe Texas was the closest to breaking even.

With regards to energy in the US, the US is predicted to become the number one oil exporter by 2020. Gas prices in the US will still be high though, owing to China's increasing growth and demand.

http://www.forbes.com/...ergy-independent-by-2035/


Just some thoughts :)

And yet US corporate taxes are higher than they are in Canada.. kind of.

I *think* Texas actually is one of the few red states that comes out ahead.. at least it used to..

TTT

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