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locket

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:06:38

Originally posted by CKHustler:

oh brother locket...yea he had no way of getting a gun. *rolls eyes*

Uhh number one I did not comment on how easy it was to get a gun. I simple commented that he had a knife and if he had a worse weapon it would have been worse. But I will bite on your gun defending anyways.

"Gun ownership in the People's Republic of China is heavily regulated by law. Generally, private citizens are not allowed to possess guns"

Yah.. sounds pretty easy to get a gun there right? Just go down town and an hour later you can shoot up the town right? Wait.. that is the USA.

In China on the list of school attacks I posted elsewhere 19 were initiated by knives/swords etc and 2 involves guns.

In the USA every single one but one was done by a firearm.

Alin

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:15:21

Originally posted by Helmet:

I plan to carry my gun a lot more in 2013 and fluff like this is the reason why.

You are an idiot! The way you are thinking is the real reason such events occurs...

CKHustler

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:17:19

Here you go locket, read away. Covers Europe crime and murder rates.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/...No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

You go ahead and focus on school shootings while the rest of us focus society as a whole.

Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:18:58

maybe Chinese citizens just can't afford to buy guns?

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locket

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:19:08

You go on supporting guns when people can get them so easily and shoot people as opposed to having to use a much less lethal alternative.

CKHustler

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:19:56

The evidence proves otherwise locket. Apparently you didn't read the extensive research that was done in my link. Pity.

locket

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:25:38

The evidence does not prove that but alright. You chose to ignore what I said so go blow yourself. I'm not reading a 50 page report when you simply ignore school related incidents or any number of other things. There are reports out there that support both sides of this argument so congrats on finding one to suit yours. Meanwhile I'm going to continue happily knowing that almost every person I meet today does not have a gun or easy access to one! You enjoy watching the news.

Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 15th 2012, 0:39:46

well, I'll be watching Casablanca and try to imagine what it was like during WWII, when everybody was running around shooting everybody.

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Schilling

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Dec 15th 2012, 2:03:34

Originally posted by locket:

And I'm happy knowing that if a guy does happen to have a gun, with evil intent, I have one of my own. I would not have a problem relinquishing my weapon if law enforcement had a better record of dealing with violent crime in a timely manner. The fact of the matter is, they don't. I'm not going to rely on someone who is minutes away when there is something that is going to happen in less than 3 seconds. I refuse to play the victim. I will, however, be proactive in my own defense and the defense of others. The guns aren't the problems here, as far as I'm concerned. But that's an whole different discussion.

I did hear a good suggestion about offering security jobs to retired/disabled police officers in schools. It's a good job creator, and acts as a heavy deterrent to this kind of thing in the future.

Detmer

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Dec 15th 2012, 2:09:25

Originally posted by Schilling:

Originally posted by locket:

Schools are already drastically underfunded. I am not sure how they could begin to afford such a measure. And lets say that were to happen... that kid could have still killed a lot of children. Prevention is the answer, not reaction.

Helmet

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Dec 15th 2012, 2:43:09

Originally posted by Alin:

Originally posted by Helmet:

I plan to carry my gun a lot more in 2013 and fluff like this is the reason why.

You are an idiot! The way you are thinking is the real reason such events occurs...

Wow. You really are a fluffing loser.

Alin is a cheater.

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Dec 15th 2012, 5:26:36

I would not advocate a total gun ban,

What I would advocate is a ban on semi-automatics. Or at least, requiring a SPECIALIZED Permit to get.......1 for example for hunting.

And even then, we do things to change the cartridge sizes etc...

Some of these guns don't even serve a purpose, other than to own a semi automatic.

No need to ban handguns, (legalize all drugs, that will end gang wars),
No need to ban hunting rifels.

But semi automatics?
yes.

Z is #1

Rockman

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Dec 15th 2012, 5:29:50

If we ban guns with armor piercing bullets, how am I going to kill those armored deer in the woods near my house?

locket

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Dec 15th 2012, 5:33:37

lmao Rockman. Servant I agree with you that they should definitely ban automatics.. why does anyone need a gun to kill 20 people ina short time to defend themselves? Are they going to be attacked by a hit squad? :P

Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 15th 2012, 8:44:01

they don't spend enough time on the gun range. it's mostly just so they can make a lot of noise when they're being assaulted and to kill the innocent bystanders who are watching it happen without doing anything to stop it.

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Helmet

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Dec 15th 2012, 12:30:59

Originally posted by locket:

zombies

Alin is a cheater.

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Dec 15th 2012, 14:07:41

Well, using all this stunning logic, if Guns kill People, then Forks cause Obesity and Cars cause Drunk Driving. Right?

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Dec 15th 2012, 14:16:09

Read the "study", damned illiterate doctoral candidates there. They didn't even check their work, or they need to hire a better underclassman to review it first and correct all the grammatical errors. If they can't even be bothered to proof their work, how can I place any confidence in the data that they present. Did they actually acquire it themselves, or just grab it off an internet message board somewhere politically motivated to make gun ownership look bad.

Besides, the reason Americans are allowed to have firearms is to protect us from the Government when it becomes destructive of the liberty and freedom we enjoy.

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trumper

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Dec 15th 2012, 15:48:32

The worst school killing in US history was still in Bath, MI in 1927. A former school board treasurer bombed the school. You can ban guns, but you won't be able to ban evil. The best we can do is to hope to ward it off through positive interventions beforehand, in which case we will never know what we prevented or didn't prevent.

braden

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Dec 15th 2012, 22:48:10

that was a fascinating read, trumper. i didn't know that had happened. seems more like a well written short story, though, than actual events.

Crop Duster

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Dec 15th 2012, 23:27:37

The guy had to be seriously messed up.

Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 15th 2012, 23:44:55

Originally posted by Helmet:

Originally posted by locket:

zombies

face-eating zombies

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Dec 16th 2012, 0:37:01

Tha Government isn't going to come after you with a congressman, or senator, they're gonna bring the FBI/ATF/MIL.

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Dec 16th 2012, 0:48:47

Originally posted by Cerberus:

are you illiterate or something? the only study posted in this thread supports your point of view...

Originally posted by Cerberus:

This guy is destroying the U.S. Dollars position as the preferred exchange for international trade. The Chinese Ruan is going to replace it soon, then the U.S. will not have control of the IMF

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Dec 16th 2012, 0:52:48

I think if the US army wants to come after you there isn't anything you can do no matter what gun you have...

Cerberus

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Dec 16th 2012, 7:11:47

The problem here is that some of the young people in the US are disillusioned and delusional about their personal futures. Mental health is a subject that is strictly avoided because it "might offend someone" to talk about it. The damned pansy-assed liberals who go so far out of their way to protect the rights and respectability of the downtrodden lunatics have let the monkey drive for too long and now we're gonna pay for it.

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Syko_Killa

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Dec 16th 2012, 7:51:18

Originally posted by Requiem:

I think if the US army wants to come after you there isn't anything you can do no matter what gun you have...

Best thing you can do is run if the U.S. Army Infantry is coming after you! lol

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Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 16th 2012, 8:04:30

Originally posted by Syko_Killa:

Originally posted by Requiem:

I think if the US army wants to come after you there isn't anything you can do no matter what gun you have...

Best thing you can do is run if the U.S. Army Infantry is coming after you! lol

I'll give them a chance to surrender first.

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Syko_Killa

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Dec 16th 2012, 23:11:30

Originally posted by Dibs Ludicrous:

Originally posted by Syko_Killa:

Originally posted by Requiem:

I think if the US army wants to come after you there isn't anything you can do no matter what gun you have...

Best thing you can do is run if the U.S. Army Infantry is coming after you! lol

I'll give them a chance to surrender first.

lol..which army did you serve in? Cause they must be some badasses

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mrford

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Dec 17th 2012, 7:11:24

the French army

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[21:37:01] <&KILLERfluffY> when I was doing FA stuff for sof the person who gave me the longest angry rant was Mr Ford

Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 17th 2012, 7:19:49

no army. was US Air Force.

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Syko_Killa

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Dec 17th 2012, 8:03:51

lol the french army. The chairforce? Let me get you some highlighters...hahhaha j/k

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Ikkaku

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Dec 17th 2012, 16:26:06

bonus

synoder

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Dec 17th 2012, 19:35:15

Banning guns is a great idea in theory (much like socialism) but in reality it won't work. Evil people will find ways to get a gun, it's not like the millions of guns will disappear or law enforcement could keep them out of the country. The only thing banning guns would do is make things like this worse because we would be at the mercy of the police coming to help. Just look at the statistics of where all these mass killings happen. They almost always happen in places where guns are banned. The only exception since 1950 was in Arizona with the congresswoman. EVERY other public shooting where 3 people or more died was done in an area where guns were banned. That's not a coincidence folks.

BobbyATA

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Dec 17th 2012, 20:08:56

Reduction to the absurd: Bombs are banned, but people can get bombs with enough effort. Should we not ban bombs?

The event in Conn. appears to be a bit of a ragequit, although perhaps we will learn it was incredibly planned out. But assuming it was a rage killing, without immediate easy access to guns, the situation would have been much less tragic.

synoder

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Dec 17th 2012, 23:57:02

I would be very surprised if there was no planning involved and I get your point but at the same time, we don't ban bomb making materials (ie. fertilizer, explosive chemicals, etc...) because like you said, if someone wants to make a bomb, they will.

If you are right and it was a rage killing then your right, making guns harder to get immediate access to would work but from what I have read about this shooting and the previous once in recent past they are extremely organized and planned to the detail. The theater shooting this past year the guy had 7 or 8 theaters nearby and he went to the only one that banned guns.

Here's a link to the article that I was basing this on, so I am taking this reporters word that his stats are accurate.

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-mass-shootings-john-fund

EVO|Rasp

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Dec 18th 2012, 14:37:18

If guns kill people, I blame all of my spleling mistaeks on my pencil.

BigRedDog

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Dec 18th 2012, 17:23:21

Originally posted by locket:

see i would agree with that...but then whats the point of having cars that can go 200+ miles an hour?

entertainment...people (sane people) don't go buy an automatic weapon for any other use than to go shoot on a range or somewhere that they are not intending to hurt anyone...same goes for fast cars, no one needs them but they are fun...you cant blame guns or cars for idiots that end up killing other people, "tighter regulations" on guns wont do anything except for:

a)keep guns out of "sane" peoples hands for no reason
b)yet again push the issue of what rights citizens are and are not still "protected" by...who are you to tell me what kind of weapon i need to defend my life/my families life?

TheORKINMan

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Dec 18th 2012, 23:21:37

Alcohol kills way more people than semi-automatic weapons in the US and serves no essential purpose whatsoever, however I'd imagine most of the hippies that want gun bans would not advocate a return to prohibition.

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Dibs Ludicrous

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Dec 19th 2012, 9:20:33

alcohol is used to make solutions.

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Marco

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Dec 19th 2012, 9:45:03

Synoder, since you have the statistics in front of you, mind letting me know how many crazed gunman were stopped by non law enforcement with a weapon? Any weapon, baseball bats. I don't care, i just want to know of any mass shootings that were stopped.

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Dec 19th 2012, 11:00:48

http://www.farnamstreetblog.com/...-has-grown-exponentially/

Originally posted by Cerberus:

This guy is destroying the U.S. Dollars position as the preferred exchange for international trade. The Chinese Ruan is going to replace it soon, then the U.S. will not have control of the IMF

TheORKINMan

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Dec 19th 2012, 13:43:09

Originally posted by Marco:

The Bell Tower sniper was eventually hindered by return fire from civilians(as well as police). However the police of that time have said suppressive fire from civilians definitely helped end that situation.

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Supertodd

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:55:15

Originally posted by Marco:

Weird.. First time I tried to post this, as soon as I hit enter, it posted.

Anyway, Oct 1, 1997. Luke Woodham went to his school with a rifle (after stabbing his mother to death) and began shooting classmates. He killed two and wounded seven, before assistant principal Joel Myrick went to his truck, retrieved his .45 caliber pistol, and stopped and detained Woodham until police arrived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...earl_High_School_shooting

Edited By: Supertodd on Dec 19th 2012, 16:01:58
See Original Post

Xinhuan

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Dec 19th 2012, 16:59:41

Well, if the suicider didn't have easy access to guns to begin with, suppressive fire wouldn't have been needed either. It is far easier to stop someone with a knife (by using non-lethal force) than someone with a gun (by using lethal force).