... Of an election is that I won't have to pay my mortgage anymore!

You also won't end up broke if you get sick...

I'm glad for that, I'd miss you if you couldn't afford electricity anymore.

-Fooglmog
Guy with no clue.

Requiem, you have some stock tips or something?
So how much you have riding in the markets?
You a lawyer, upper management for a fortune 500, or otherwise importantly rich?

I would stake a wager on you don't have the job security or financial independence that would warrant actually voting for Romney or possibly any republican.

You want smaller government? So does everyone that matters. You can't cut all the lifelines though and expect that to be a viable option.

Like all conservatives Reqs idea of smaller government is cutting the parts that everybody else uses and keep the part he likes.

Req, enlighten us, why are you not planning on paying your mortgage anymore?

Obama is going to take care of me archaic.

MMMM MMMM MMMMMMMMMMM

i'll be able to explore the world in a kayak and live off of left over baby seal meat.

you'll still end up broke if you get sick. the money still isn't there to pay for it.

I'm asking this not to cause a huge debate, but because I only know enough about the candidates to be dangerous (I'm Canadian) and I honestly want to know.

What was the attraction with Romney?? Given the little I heard, he would have completely effed 99% of the US population - so what didn't I hear that allowed him to capture so many votes? (Or are there just that many fat cats in the US?)

Hey dipfluff, some of us are not parasites and get our own health insurance.

Well, I would be careful taking what you heard to be representative of what would occur. Rs say Obama will be socialist. Ds will say Romney would make a fat cat oligarchy. The shades of truth in both are really miniscule compared to the realities.

Romney had a pretty solid record as Governor of a very liberal state where he routinely had to work across the aisle. Agree with his record or disagree, he understands the fundamentals of leadership and management. By contrast, Pres. Obama has shown he's a good speaker, but doesn't have the faintest of clues about working across the aisle--evidenced by demonizing his opponents as "country club Republicans" and totally blowing what would have been a huge bipartisan deal because he didn't orchestrate it. He's far from a leader and if you read Woodward's book, you see that even Nancy Pelosi put him on mute because she realized he was ineffective.

So, we end up with the status quo.

+1

that's an oxymoron. you can either pay into health insurance or benefit from it, you can't do both. you never pay in more than you get out of it, if you're unfortunate to require it. which pretty much means that somebody else is floating you, or you are floating them.

xbox ie needs some work.

Uhhh... I both pay into health insurance and benefit from it. Not sure where you got the idea that the two actions are mutually exclusive. :p

trumper, thanks - I appreciate the effort. :) Not sure it explains to me how a guy who seemed on the surface to be a complete misogynist and religious nut who was against both abortion (in all circumstances!!!) and gay marriage was nearly elected POTUS, though. Admittedly, I made no effort to look at the candidates (because I'm Canadian) and am only basing my opinion on the (no doubt slanderous) ads I couldn't avoid as I watched my favorite shows on American networks... but he just seemed SOOOOO bad, I was stunned it was a close race.

+100
it's pointless to keep struggling to stay in business, now i can shut down and enjoy early retirement with Obamabucks, Obamaphone, Obamafreehome and Obamacare, yay!

um, you either pay in more than you recieve, or you don't. you are not receiving the equivalent of what you are paying for.

Small businesses will fail now

Those stances seem quite popular with a fair amount of this country, unfortunately.

I'm against abortion. it's not what it is. it's what it could become!

I am seriously considering early retirement now. If Obama is gonna take care of everyone else, I might aswell jump on the bandwagon.

How can you be surprised? We gave a Kenyan born Muslim another 4 years!

He's also a communist and atheist!

My #1 issue in this election was/is the economy, you CANNOT spend your way out of debt!, doesn't work in private sector, won't for Government.

KoH this election wasn't about the economy, if it were no way Obama could have won.

He couldn't run on his record that's for sure.

I agree, Req, the left succeeded in keeping the economy issue as faaaaaaaaaaaaar as possible and they pulled it off, sad day for America.....

I love how democrats and their followers completely avoid the topic that the way they are keeping the economy afloat is via credit card. Our credit rating has been downgraded twice, and is likely to receive future downgrades which will result in greater difficulty to get money to sustain the unsustainable spending.

For all you Romney lovers, his healthcare plan cost me 6k in 3 years because my original health insurance wasnt up to his "standard". He also stole 1 million dollars in tax funds for a makeup wardrobe and built a flyover to the sagamore bridge through everyones back yard so he wouldnt have to sit in traffic. He's an opportunist....he has the skills, but it's highly unlikely he would use them to help anyone.

Archaic is right that everyone wants to cut the pants everyone else uses and keep the part they like. This is exemplified in a 12% approval rating of congress, yet almost all incumbents won!!

Moral of the story is we're not going to get anywhere until compromise starts to happen again. Start that up regardless of what you believe, and there's a minute chance that we might get out of this mess resembling something similar to what is the USA.

Mitt Romney circa 2004
Bans guns, invents Obamacare, Pro-choice

Mitt in 2012
Joins NRA, trashes Obamacare, supports ammendment to ban abortion

Good riddance - though he had better hair.

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Obama has been president for 4 years

***sky still not falling***

huh . . . so, what exactly are you basing your fear on? The dire predictions of fox news? They're not doing real good on predictions lately, I might hold off on buying that bomb shelter if I were you guys.

You need to get conditioned to the fact that America is a diverse nation with lots of different colored people of lots of different ages. Hannity's America has not existed since 1855. If the GOP does not broaden the tent a little bit, they had better get used to losing.

Entitlement society? You mean like Mitt's daddy? Or like tax subsidies for Exxon? You've been duped, they feed you the God, guns, gays and old Glory bullfluff to get your vote, then they pump the fat into Goldman Sachs and Halliburton and Koch while laughing at all the sheep carrying tea party signs.

Chrysler repaid their loan and added thousands of jobs. I figure they all voted Obama last night.

"Romney had a pretty solid record as Governor of a very liberal state where he routinely had to work across the aisle."

Incorrect. He was unavailable, aloof, and did no such bipartisan work. Everyone hated him -- even state Republicans.

"Agree with his record or disagree, he understands the fundamentals of leadership and management."

Incorrect. All he does is tell people they’re wrong. That’s neither leadership nor management. As an example, his words show he knows absolutely nothing about the concept of buy-in.. mainly because achieving buy-in requires humility. "Buy-in" refers to people wanting to work with him.. and nobody did.

"By contrast, Pres. Obama has shown he's a good speaker, but doesn't have the faintest of clues about working across the aisle--evidenced by demonizing his opponents as "country club Republicans" and totally blowing what would have been a huge bipartisan deal because he didn't orchestrate it."

Incorrect. Republicans refuse to work. The republican definition of “bipartisan” is “doing everything Republicans want” – and obviously that’s not happening. I find it shocking that you can't get past your assumption that Democrats will do whatever you want if only you whine enough. You will never convince a majority of the country that the inaction is Democrat fault -- seriously, that's pure Faux BS.

"He's far from a leader and if you read Woodward's book, you see that even Nancy Pelosi put him on mute because she realized he was ineffective."

Incorrect. Bob Woodward has been a Republican mouthpiece ever since Watergate.


If you don't understand how the GOP strategy of the last three and a half years affected you on a national basis, no matter what the gerrymandered House district yahoo votes told you, then you will be the party of nothing more than bodies in the road. If you think the lesson is that you weren't conservative enough, you know nothing about the United States. I look forward to the inevitable endless investigations of nonsense before the push for impeachment. Because you're a Republican - and wasting time with irrelevant pandering is much easier to do than actually governing.

http://youtu.be/P36x8rTb3jI

And when you spend about 10 seconds looking at the account of the guy who posted it, what do you see? McCain 2008 campaign videos.

Shocking.

To be perfectly clear: The video is faked.

yes clearly faked....

this video has been all over the internet in the last 4 years. the link i posted isnt the original one.

anyways i was posting it because i think thats what requiem was making fun of.

Everything thats damming to the left is "fake"

Everything damming to the right is true!

The problem with Republicans is that they've simply gone insane.

They believe in these fantastical things like the Rapture, that the president is a secret Kenyan Muslim, evolution is really only just a theory and the earth could just as likely be 6,000 years old, and they make up fake problems and come up with conservative solutions to solve them.

I'm genuinely a conservative guy. I actually can't stand blowhard smug liberals, but I'm not really sure Republicans have yet realized how insane the party has become.

I'm sure there are low information voters who just want to make a living and catches glimpses of the political process who happen find the Republican message appealing. To those people, I'm sorry for calling you crazy.

But to the rest, the party is insane.

Insane is believing you can spend your way out of debt, you people just don't get it, if China decided to cut the credit line, it ALL goes to hell and NO handout program will survive, then again, what do i know right?

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China's not going to cut the credit line of their biggest customer.
Just like Japan's rise didn't mean we're all using the Yen.
Despite that bogeyman being largely a 80s/90s thing, Japan continues to buy loads of US securities because they export to the United States and need to keep their currency trading in an acceptable and stable range.

I'm not really that interest in a economic/geopolitical argument, because I am fairly certain there is going to be broad agreement.As I said I'm conservative, I prefer a unipolar world under the USA, but the Republicans really have no clue.

Yea, China is a rival, but starting a trade war over bullfluff fear tactics isn't the right way to go about it. The dems and the left actually generally have a better track record here anyways, as they are traditionally the protectionist party. The far right would sell out the USA for higher fourth quarter earnings of their SuperPAC "corporations are people too" donors, if they could.


My issue with the Republican party continues to be the willfull ignorance of their leaders, talking heads and 'soldiers' who not only believe in crazy fluff like creationism and insults minorities and women then get mad at minorities and women for rejecting their insane policies, but have gone so far as to create this bubble where Reagan's ghost is inside them all the time and it's still morning in America 1980s style.

Well fluff, I love the 80s. I was born in the 80s. But im 30. that's 30 years ago. I really don't have to say much more than the cognitive dissonance last night when the right wing pundits were so sure it would be Romney winning and or Karl Rove having a meltdown on Fox news after Ohio was called. He was still using Bush 2000 math. That's how far the party has fallen.

Are you willing to bet your life on China not cutting the line? Think about it for a couple hrs.....

That question makes no sense. I could just as easily ask you if you want to bet your life the money men behind the Republican power base won't sell your job for cheaper Chinese labour.

There's nothing for sure in life, you're projecting way too much.

Not only that, you're absolutely sure Romney is going to save you from China. I have no words.

My job wont and can't be out sourced, and this ain't about red/blue no longerr, this is about every american and non american living here,, bro!

China has 8% of the total debt. China can't cut the cord however because when their currency strengthens as it hits the market, 50 million people are instantly fired.. and will revolt the next day.

The three primary causes for the rapid expansion of the federal debt to triple between 2000 to today are well known. The first is the Bush tax cuts, the second is the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the third is due to the recession and TARP and other stimulus programs. Because the federal budget was balanced at the turn of the century, these added costs really do correspond to the size of the problem.

Right, so Obamacare is free, mkayy, good night!

Right, so tax cuts for the wealthy are free and somehow helps lower healthcare coverage costs?

the wealthy can afford to wait until it's profitable to make money. why they want to pay for your health costs anyway? will they make money from it?

Obamacare is, like Romneycare a mandate to insure the healthy along with the sick so that healthcare costs become more manageable.

Insurance, by its very idea, is to spread the risk among many people so the few who have to claim don't break the 'market' for insurance

If only sick people wanted insurance, the price would be prohibitive, and this is what you are beginning to see. Young healthy dudes in particular would rather booze up than voluntarily pay for insurance.

But when these sad fluufers get liver cancer when they are 50, guess who foots the bill. Their family, and when they finally can't pay and he goes into ER, the public pays.

There's a saying for your 'amazing' American healthcare. You guys do have universal healthcare, it's the Emergency Rooms of your hospitals where uninsured go when they are about to die.

So rather than spend a couple of hundred bucks in prevention, you spend tens of thousands treating critical patients.

Also Obamacare, and Romneycare is a massive handout to 'private' industry. It basically only requires people to buy insurance, that insurance is still provided by private companies.

THAT IS FAR from Socialism in any form. It's actually a Republican idea from the 1990s when Clinton wanted a real single payer system and the Repubs came up with their 'free market' alternative.

But I suppose 20 years time difference has turned it into socialism. And thus we return to my point from earlier.

The Republicans have lost the plot. They are insane. And reading the demography of why they lost last night and why they will continue lose elections gives me a hard-on. That hot non-white vote.

all insurance is socialism. moron.

No need to name call.

And no insurance isn't socialism, otherwise, nothing risky would ever happen.

I voted against Romney because I am a college student who is attending on a Pell grant. Had Romney got elected, he would have effed the everliving hell out of the education system, nixed Pell grants, student loans, and a whole slew of other things. Not to mention, I am living in Section 8 housing, which because of the economy and the dismal job situation in the state I live in, pays far lower than the cost of living, which means had I moved into an apartment in what this city considers "upscale" I'd need to work two jobs just to pay my rent and bills, and on top of that have money to survive on. I am working a single 10 hour a day job right now, eking my existence along at $8.25 an hour, going to college so I can have a better paying job when I graduate... and that Ivy League trust find baby wanted to fluff me out of my right to succeed because I didn't have the fortune to be born into a wealthy family? fluff HIM.

long as you want to steal money from me to pay for your bills, there is a reason to name call.

if you were stealing that amount from a bank, the police would get to shoot you for it while you were running away.

hmm.. i'm getting the urge to buy a gun.... wonder why that is?