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Jul 24th 2012, 19:45:01

NASA satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt: On July 8, about 40% of the ice sheet had undergone thawing at or near the surface; 4 days later, it was 97%

http://www.nasa.gov/...tures/greenland-melt.html

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Jul 24th 2012, 19:46:03

And before you Al Gore's start going super-serial

"Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. "But if we continue to observe melting events like this in upcoming years, it will be worrisome."

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Jul 24th 2012, 19:56:02

global warming is not real, earth goes threw cycles we are just helping it along =p
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Jul 24th 2012, 19:58:50

Originally posted by Red X:
global warming is not real, earth goes threw cycles we are just helping it along =p


I wonder if anyone here actually disagrees with this?

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:45:58

meh, Global warming is real... Global cooling is also real... Facts are just what you want to see.. depending on how you feel, you'll agree with one of the two..
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Jul 25th 2012, 1:55:59

Originally posted by Red X:
global warming is not real, earth goes threw cycles we are just helping it along =p


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Jul 25th 2012, 2:25:26

but its summer and its warm.. why is it so ridiculous cold heats up under these conditions?

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Jul 25th 2012, 3:41:50

if only we could get it hot enough to like cook bacon by holding it out in sunlight that would be totally badass and to keep cool we could all like live in igloos and stuff and then like we could raise pigs in another igloo and just toss one out in the sunlight any time we got hungry but we would need like spiderman to build the igloos because it would cook us too if we were out in the sunlight just like slather some sunscreen on spiderman and then just watch him go because spiderman could like swing into the shadows and not cook unless we could figure out a way to build the igloos at night but that would be hard because we cant see at night but all of our tv shows would have to change and mtv would make one called pimp my igloo but nobody would watch it because what the fluff are you going to do to make an igloo fluffing slick because you cant repaint the motherfluffer and you cant put rims or anything on it not to mention what the hell are you going to watch the show on because you cant mount your plasma screen tv on the wall in an igloo because it is made out of snow and ice and fluff so you would have to put in an entertainment center that takes up your floor space and that would mean you would have to take out the stripper pole and that is what in laymans terms is called a deal breaker because my pimped out igloo is having a stripper pole and a hot tub and like a full bar but that means we will have to like grow the plants that they make liquor from in igloos too so the sun doesnt burn them and spiderman will be so busy building igloos that we will have like this ridonkulous crime problem and like uncle ben will be telling him son with great power comes great need to build more igloos so move your ass spidey and then uncle ben gets shot because some thug breaks into uncle ben and aunt mays igloo because he hasnt built enough for everyone yet and people are desperate and like spiderman goes on this crusade to build more igloos so that he can go back to fighting crime
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Jul 25th 2012, 4:03:13

Originally posted by Xelah:
if only we could get it hot enough to like cook bacon by holding it out in sunlight that would be totally badass and to keep cool we could all like live in igloos and stuff and then like we could raise pigs in another igloo and just toss one out in the sunlight any time we got hungry but we would need like spiderman to build the igloos because it would cook us too if we were out in the sunlight just like slather some sunscreen on spiderman and then just watch him go because spiderman could like swing into the shadows and not cook unless we could figure out a way to build the igloos at night but that would be hard because we cant see at night but all of our tv shows would have to change and mtv would make one called pimp my igloo but nobody would watch it because what the fluff are you going to do to make an igloo fluffing slick because you cant repaint the motherfluffer and you cant put rims or anything on it not to mention what the hell are you going to watch the show on because you cant mount your plasma screen tv on the wall in an igloo because it is made out of snow and ice and fluff so you would have to put in an entertainment center that takes up your floor space and that would mean you would have to take out the stripper pole and that is what in laymans terms is called a deal breaker because my pimped out igloo is having a stripper pole and a hot tub and like a full bar but that means we will have to like grow the plants that they make liquor from in igloos too so the sun doesnt burn them and spiderman will be so busy building igloos that we will have like this ridonkulous crime problem and like uncle ben will be telling him son with great power comes great need to build more igloos so move your ass spidey and then uncle ben gets shot because some thug breaks into uncle ben and aunt mays igloo because he hasnt built enough for everyone yet and people are desperate and like spiderman goes on this crusade to build more igloos so that he can go back to fighting crime


i dunno if i should say:

take it easy on the afrin

or

pimped out mobile igloos FTW
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Jul 25th 2012, 5:49:12

Maybe a polar bear farted...or maybe a couple of them did...I'm still not alarmed...

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Jul 25th 2012, 19:03:41

Originally posted by Red X:
global warming is not real, earth goes threw cycles we are just helping it along =p


True story......why do u think there have been multiple ice ages? Even before the existance of human beings. The earth goes through cooling and warming cycles, we may be getting warmer, but that will just kick off another ice age. We will all be praying for global warming then......

btw, before anybody even mentioned cycles, i was asking about warming and cooling cycles throughout history in the 3rd grade, AND made claims that this was part of the earths NATURAL CYCLIC CLIMATE CHANGE. Therefore I shall pull an Al Gore and say: I'm super serial! I invented this idea!

Come on, if a 3rd grader can see this, in the late 80's early 90's when the whole global warming crisis was at its peak with propoganda, why cant educated adults understand it?

The real story on "global warming"
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

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Jul 25th 2012, 21:05:56


Ok RavenBF then why cant educated adults understand that our cars, plants whateverwhatevrwhatever is affecting the enviroment in a negative way and instead of being to cheap/stupid to do somethin about it we will just call it natural cycles and then in another 100 years when its too late to fix our grand children will pay the price

Im a smoker and im not going to deny that what I inhale has a negative impact on my lungs just like the stuff my car pours out isnt going to have a good effect on the enviroment of earth

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Jul 25th 2012, 21:45:14

first of all "global warming" started BEFORE the industrial revolution.

Second of all, yes, there is an effect due to increased carbon emmissions that may cause us to go warmer for a longer period of time, but that dont mean another ice age isnt going to come......our current warming trend has spanned about 18,000 years, normal warming trends typically last 15,000 to 20,000 years with 80,000 years of freeze.......next ice age is due to hit at any time. The only thing carbon output will do is either increase the temp during the current warming trend, or delay the onset of the next cooldown. It cant prevent it though. Had u looked at the research instead of regurgitating enviromentalist propoganda to gain funding for their research, you would know this.

Earth's climate was in a cool period from A.D. 1400 to about A.D. 1860, dubbed the "Little Ice Age." This period was characterized by harsh winters, shorter growing seasons, and a drier climate. The decline in global temperatures was a modest 1/2° C, but the effects of this global cooling cycle were more pronounced in the higher latitudes. The Little Ice Age has been blamed for a host of human suffering including crop failures like the "Irish Potato Famine" and the demise of the medieval Viking colonies in Greenland.

Today we enjoy global temperatures which have warmed back to levels of the so called "Medieval Warm Period," which existed from approximately A.D. 1000 to A.D. 1350.

In the 1970s concerned environmentalists like Stephen Schneider of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado feared a return to another ice age due to manmade atmospheric pollution blocking out the sun.

Since about 1940 the global climate did in fact appear to be cooling. Then a funny thing happened-- sometime in the late 1970s temperature declines slowed to a halt and ground-based recording stations during the 1980s and 1990s began reading small but steady increases in near-surface temperatures. Fears of "global cooling" then changed suddenly to "global warming,"-- the cited cause:


manmade atmospheric pollution causing a runaway greenhouse effect.



Global warming alarmists maintain that global temperatures have increased since about A.D. 1860 to the present as the result of the so-called "Industrial Revolution,"-- caused by releases of large amounts of greenhouse gases (principally carbon dioxide) from manmade sources into the atmosphere causing a runaway "Greenhouse Effect."

Was man really responsible for pulling the Earth out of the Little Ice Age with his industrial pollution? If so, this may be one of the greatest unheralded achievements of the Industrial Age!

Unfortunately, we tend to overestimate our actual impact on the planet. In this case the magnitude of the gas emissions involved, even by the most aggressive estimates of atmospheric warming by greenhouse gases, is inadequate to account for the magnitude of temperature increases. So what causes the up and down cycles of global climate change?



Causes of Global Climate Change
Climate change is controlled primarily by cyclical eccentricities in Earth's rotation and orbit, as well as variations in the sun's energy output.

"Greenhouse gases" in Earth's atmosphere also influence Earth's temperature, but in a much smaller way. Human additions to total greenhouse gases play a still smaller role, contributing about 0.2% - 0.3% to Earth's greenhouse effect.

Major Causes of Global Temperature Shifts
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(1) Astronomical Causes

11 year and 206 year cycles: Cycles of solar variability ( sunspot activity )

21,000 year cycle: Earth's combined tilt and elliptical orbit around the Sun ( precession of the equinoxes )

41,000 year cycle: Cycle of the +/- 1.5° wobble in Earth's orbit ( tilt )

100,000 year cycle: Variations in the shape of Earth's elliptical orbit ( cycle of eccentricity )


(2) Atmospheric Causes

Heat retention: Due to atmospheric gases, mostly gaseous water vapor (not droplets), also carbon dioxide, methane, and a few other miscellaneous gases-- the "greenhouse effect"

Solar reflectivity: Due to white clouds, volcanic dust, polar ice caps


(3) Tectonic Causes

Landmass distribution: Shifting continents (continental drift) causing changes in circulatory patterns of ocean currents. It seems that whenever there is a large land mass at one of the Earth's poles, either the north pole or south pole, there are ice ages.

Undersea ridge activity: "Sea floor spreading" (associated with continental drift) causing variations in ocean displacement.

A Matter of Opinion
Has manmade pollution in the form of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other gases caused a runaway Greenhouse Effect and Global Warming?

Before joining the mantra, consider the following:

1. The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact. The period known as the Holocene Maximum is a good example-- so-named because it was the hottest period in human history. The interesting thing is this period occurred approximately 7500 to 4000 years B.P. (before present)-- long before humans invented industrial pollution.

2. CO2 in our atmosphere has been increasing steadily for the last 18,000 years-- long before humans invented smokestacks ( Figure 1). Unless you count campfires and intestinal gas, man played no role in the pre-industrial increases.

Ice Core data from the Soviet Station Vostok in Antarctica, CO2 concentrations in earth's atmosphere move with temperature. Both temperatures and CO2 have been on the increase for 18,000 years. Interestingly, CO2 lags an average of about 800 years behind the temperature changes-- confirming that CO2 is not a primary driver of the temperature changes .

Incidentally, earth's temperature and CO2 levels today have reached levels similar to a previous interglacial cycle of 120,000 - 140,000 years ago. From beginning to end this cycle lasted about 20,000 years. This is known as the Eemian Interglacial Period and the earth returned to a full-fledged ice age immediately afterward.

3. Total human contributions to greenhouse gases account for only about 0.28% of the "greenhouse effect" . Anthropogenic (man-made) carbon dioxide (CO2) comprises about 0.117% of this total, and man-made sources of other gases ( methane, nitrous oxide (NOX), other misc. gases) contributes another 0.163% .

Approximately 99.72% of the "greenhouse effect" is due to natural causes -- mostly water vapor and traces of other gases, which we can do nothing at all about. Eliminating human activity altogether would have little impact on climate change.

4. If global warming is caused by CO2 in the atmosphere then does CO2 also cause increased sun activity too?

variations in sun activity are generally proportional to both variations in atmospheric CO2 and atmospheric temperature .

Put another way, rising Earth temperatures and increasing CO2 may be "effects" and our own sun the "cause".

The Polar Ice Cap Effect
As long as the continent of Antarctica exists at the southern pole of our planet we probably will be repeatedly pulled back into glacial ice ages. This occurs because ice caps, which cannot attain great thickness over open ocean, can and do achieve great thickness over a polar continent-- like Antarctica. Antarctica used to be located near the equator, but over geologic time has moved by continental drift to its present location at the south pole. Once established, continental polar ice caps act like huge cold sinks, taking over the climate and growing bigger during periods of reduced solar output. Part of the problem with shaking off the effects of an ice age is once ice caps are established, they cause solar radiation to be reflected back into space, which acts to perpetuate global cooling. This increases the size of ice caps which results in reflection of even more radiation, resulting in more cooling, and so on.

Continental polar ice caps seem to play a particularly important role in ice ages when the arrangement of continental land masses restrict the free global circulation of equatorial ocean currents. This is the case with the continents today, as it was during the Carboniferous Ice Age when the supercontinent Pangea stretched from pole to pole 300 million years ago.

Stopping Climate Change
Putting things in perspective, geologists tell us our present warm climate is a mere blip in the history of an otherwise cold Earth. Frigid Ice Age temperatures have been the rule, not the exception, for the last couple of million years. This kind of world is not totally inhospitable, but not a very fun place to live, unless you are a polar bear.

Some say we are "nearing the end of our minor interglacial period" , and may in fact be on the brink of another Ice Age. If this is true, the last thing we should be doing is limiting carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere, just in case they may have a positive effect in sustaining present temperatures. The smart money, however, is betting that there is some momentum left in our present warming cycle. Environmental advocates agree: resulting in a shift of tactics from the "global cooling" scare of the 1970s to the "global warming" threat of the 1980s and 1990s.

Now, as we begin the 21st century the terminology is morphing toward"climate change," whereby no matter the direction of temperature trends-- up or down-- the headlines can universally blame humans while avoiding the necessity of switching buzz-words with the periodicity of solar cycles. Such tactics may, however, backfire as peoples' common sensibilities are at last pushed over the brink.

Global climate cycles of warming and cooling have been a natural phenomena for hundreds of thousands of years, and it is unlikely that these cycles of dramatic climate change will stop anytime soon. We currently enjoy a warm Earth. Can we count on a warm Earth forever? The answer is most likely... no.

Since the climate has always been changing and will likely continue of its own accord to change in the future, instead of crippling the U.S. economy in order to achieve small reductions in global warming effects due to manmade additions to atmospheric carbon dioxide, our resources may be better spent making preparations to adapt to global cooling and global warming, and the inevitable consequences of fluctuating ocean levels, temperatures, and precipitation that accompany climatic change.

Supporting this view is British scientist Jane Francis, who maintains:

" What we are seeing really is just another interglacial phase within our big icehouse climate." Dismissing political calls for a global effort to reverse climate change, she said, " It's really farcical because the climate has been changing constantly... What we should do is be more aware of the fact that it is changing and that we should be ready to adapt to the change."





Source: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

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Jul 25th 2012, 21:53:16


You just posted a bunch of information most of us already knows, that doesnt change the fact that human creationgs are taking a huge toll on earth and its getting worse and worse everyday and instead of people actually doing something about it they shrug it off, perhaps Mr Gore is fighting for global warming which might or might not exist but for me it doesnt really matter because him fighting that will lead to a better enviroment in other areas like clear water etc etc etc

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Jul 25th 2012, 21:57:29

i doubt you actually read it with the time it took you to respond. If you had, you would realize what an insignificant effect humans have on global climate changes. I referance this video for you Ivan which shows you not only the diffrence between an argument and a contradiction, but gives you pointers on how to construct an argument vs just contradicting. when you can provide scientific evidence that refutes mine, i would be happy to engage you in an educated debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

also i do not deny that cleaner water, air, soil, ect ect is a bad thing, but the topic of discussion was simply global warming. So limited to that scope, the arguments for cleaner water, air ect ect do not apply to this topic.

Furthermore, I do not see regulation limiting pollution like, no dumping oil in water, emmissions regulations, $200 dollar fines for throwing your trash out the window are bad things.....but again, these are topics that are not within the scope of the argument.

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Jul 25th 2012, 22:42:37


Im not a scienttist and at least last I heard there are scientists saying both that there is global warming and that there isnt which means that so far neither side has enough evidence to proove the other one completely wrong but on the other hand theres also teachers in america getting fired because they teach about evolution in school so its just as likely that either side never will be able to proove the other one wrong and worst case scenario by the time we have enough evidence it will be too late to do something about it

Thus personally, I'd rather do what I can to prevent the worst even tho it might not be global warming that screws us over it might be clean water or whatever supporting global warming wont make our world a worse place to live in

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Jul 25th 2012, 23:11:29

I agree there is no conclusive evidence on either side, however pro-global warming therorists only have a time period spanning how humans and carbon emmissions MAY have effected global climate changes. When you compare human existance on the earth, with how long the earth has existed, there simply isnt enough data to support the industrial revolution, a mere blip in earths existance, changed the climate. Also, like the research says, total human contributions to greenhouse gases account for only about 0.28% of the "greenhouse effect" . Anthropogenic (man-made) carbon dioxide (CO2) comprises about 0.117% of this total, and man-made sources of other gases ( methane, nitrous oxide (NOX), other misc. gases) contributes another 0.163%. Approximately 99.72% of the "greenhouse effect" is due to natural causes -- mostly water vapor and traces of other gases, which we can do nothing at all about.

Where the other side has data generated over the entire course of the earths existance, including increased sun activity, orbital changes, axis changes, that can all be calculated mathmatically in the future and past to determine a cyclical pattern of earths climate before man was here.
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Jul 25th 2012, 23:52:59

Rather than my usual bombardment of facts to demonstrate that climate change is real and largely induced by humans, I will instead give you this link since it is all I have time for. It explains things in a way that is completely accurate and in-context. It is not something that gets too complicated for its audience.

http://wonderwi.com/home/climate-change/

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Jul 26th 2012, 1:19:01

Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons, human and otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has increased. The RATE of growth during this period has also increased from about 0.2% per year to the present rate of about 0.4% per year,which growth rate has now been constant for the past 25 years. However, there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result.

Greenhouse gases form about 3 % of the atmosphere by volume. They consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere. While the minor gases are more effective as "greenhouse agents" than water vapour and clouds, the latter are overwhelming the effect by their sheer volume and – in the end – are thought to be responsible for 60% of the "Greenhouse effect".
Those attributing climate change to CO2 rarely mention this important fact.

Glaciers have been receding and growing cyclically for hundreds of years. Recent glacier melting is a consequence of coming out of the very cool period of the Little Ice Age. Ice shelves have been breaking off for centuries. Scientists know of at least 33 periods of glaciers growing and then retreating. It’s normal. Besides, glacier's health is dependent as much on precipitation as on temperature.
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Jul 26th 2012, 4:07:52

Humans have caused atmospheric CO2 levels to rise at unprecedented rates.

Here is a website to help you understand the relationship between temperature and CO2:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm

While the CO2 spikes lag temperature spikes, it is because of the CO2 that temperature increased as is did - once the temperature increases a little the oceans release CO2 which in turn causes the temperature to increase more and more CO2 is released, causing the temperature to increase more. If only Milankovitch cycles were the cause of this - the current climate trends deviate from what should be happening due to natural variations.

H2O has an average residence time in the atmosphere of a little over a week. We can expel huge amounts of H2O into the atmosphere, but it can re-equilibrate itself within two weeks. That being said, we only output a small portion of the atmospheric H2O. By contrast we output a large percentage of the atmospheric CO2 which has a residence time of hundreds of years. In short, H2O being a greenhouse gas is not an important fact at all in this discussion.

The current rates of glacier retreat are not normal. You act like just because something happens on smaller scales that it makes bigger scales normal. They are not equivalent.

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Jul 26th 2012, 4:37:28

Ya using geological time scale as an measuring tool is a bit irrelevant as it vastly outpaces our meager lifetime, cooling cylces take tens of thousands of years to manifest and as you mentioned a .5-1 degree change in temperature has HUGE repercussions. It's like saying the sun will run out of hydrogen in 7 Billion years so we should start building intersolar space craft to prepare for our planets annihilation.

The fact is within a century there WILL be an average rise of 2 degrees C even if we stopped all of our emissions right now. A .5 degree drop caused massive environmental changes, can you imagine what a 2 degree increase will do? The changes currently being recorded are unprecedented and against the current climactic cycle, and will only increase if we maintain the status quo. Sure in a few thousand years there might be another ice age, however right now we're about to irreparably change the planets environment. In the long run it won't matter, as life evovles to the new status quo, but evolution take millions of years, basically meaning most complex life on this planet, at this time, will disappear.

Plus outside of global warming, human populations are doing a great job of destroying biodiversity already, making these ecosystems even more fragile to sudden climate change. It's great that you can take the long term vision, what with your ten thousand year life span, but for the rest of us mere mortals, we'll have to focus on the near future.

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Jul 26th 2012, 10:05:47

http://www.nature.com/...nt/full/nclimate1529.html

The worst case numbers run by that study has sea level rising about 14cm by the year 2300.

http://flood.firetree.net/

Going by that map, very little would be lost in that time frame.

Sure it's an issue for us, but do we really know if it's an issue for the planet in the long run?
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Jul 26th 2012, 10:33:06

TRIFE IS RIGHT! ZOMG! THE FREON IN OUR CAR IS GONE! GLOBAL WARMING!!! The only way to cool it down is when soviet drives 99mph on the interstate and we have the windows down! :P

p.s. I am delirious!


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Jul 26th 2012, 12:56:00

lies its a liberal conspiracy

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Jul 26th 2012, 14:59:29

Originally posted by elvesrus:
http://www.nature.com/...nt/full/nclimate1529.html

The worst case numbers run by that study has sea level rising about 14cm by the year 2300.

http://flood.firetree.net/

Going by that map, very little would be lost in that time frame.

Sure it's an issue for us, but do we really know if it's an issue for the planet in the long run?


2.5m if you read the graph correctly, sea level rise is also only one component of climate change. Weather patterns change and intensify, air currents flow differently.

And no, it's not an issue in the long run, if by long run you mean will it matter 1M years from now. But the effects will certainly reverberate for the next few thousand years or so and lead to massive changes in nearly all ecosystems.