You all had your fun gang banging LaF last set cause their leaders "cheat" but cant accept that you got your ass whooped this set. Excuse after excuse is all i hear. LaF/SoF are better at actually playing the game aswell as all the shady political BS that comes along with leading an alliance. RD hit only MD its not like they FSed all of SPEM. Even before they entered the war SoF/LaF were catching up in every category and had severely hurt your countries growth. They have superiors war leaders and stategists so just accept the fact you lost in every way possible(except morally)

[You can not accuse people of cheating without admin confirmation. You must take accusations to the admins.] LaF leaders got caught cheating, got booted, and now are back just as strong as before so better start figuring out your plans for kissing their ass and getting a pact instead of whining about every possible excuse for why you lost. This games turning into such a bunch of fluffes.

Being a long time SoFer id be the first to admit that i hate RD and things they have done in the past, but as many ppl have said to improve the game we need to forgive the past so it looks like SoF has taken one of the first steps to better the game. Now whose going to hop onboard and whose going to troll AT some more cause they cant afford viagra

Thread of the year

The fact that people are still downplaying the severity of what TC and hanlong did boggles my mind.

nice Post

lol arsenal go read detmer's post apparently the evo admins did it inadvertently

I don't know what we're talking about. Can somebody link the post where somebody confessed to cheating?

Evo vs LaF...

I've never seen any of the information regarding Evo as I was away. that said however;

Credit goes to one who notices their faults (cheating) admits their faults and attempts to move past it, as opposed to those who have their faults pointed out to them, then refuse to fess up and move past.

In regards to cheating there's a lot of accusations going around 10mil troops for instance, the end all be all is however that TC/hanlong where caught and still claim they did nothing wrong... regardless of what they actually did/didn't do.

There was an apology thread for one thing.

actually detmer said nothing of the sort. you just inferred what you wanted to in order to validate your alliance's wild accusations.

An apology for inadvertently seeing information they would not have likely otherwise noticed. There was no cheating and no abuse so there is nothing to downplay.

then 5 minutes later:
SS, SG and H4 pleading ignorance and playing down the fact that your whole clan benefitted from hacking, cheating & lying.

They inadvertently saw information (that information was publicly accessible but they would not have likely noticed). There was no abuse and no cheating. They did nothing wrong other than happen notice oddities when administrating the game. If they had noticed someone cheating we would have considered ourselves fortunate they had noticed an oddity.

Lying isn't against game rules.

You have become quite the Evo apologist over there Detmer. Your advocacy of giant gang bangs seems unbecoming to someone who is I guess considered "staff" of EE.

Who's gangbanging who?

1) There are no game rules against gang bangs. That is pretty hypocritical coming from someone who plays on your "side".
2) I am setting the record straight - not apologizing for anything. As a "staff" member it is my job to respond to false accusations against the staff.
3) martian made a clear thread against accusing alliances of cheating that have not been verified by the admins.

Where's the bukake?

Funny how as a forum moderator you allowed it to go on for so long though. Evo/Sol people have been accusing various Laf players(Like myself) of being cheats for ages now. Why choose to enforce your own rules so suddenly?

I never said gangbangs are against the rules Detmer. I said it is not helpful for the community. Perhaps you would be happy when there was no more Laf. When will your hardon end? I guess your idea of punishing the ones who didn't cheat is different than mine.

Many baseball teams have won championships and had a player who was taking illegal steroids on their team. Should those players go to jail, be banned from baseball, or suspended for a year to sate this desire of yours to punish people?

I have no been a moderator for "so long". martian posted clearly regarding accusing people of cheaters yesterday. That is when moderation of that rule came into effect in my eyes.

You said it was unbecoming which is open for interpretation. I think a strong showing from the server that cheating will not be tolerated is good for the game. As has been stated many times, there is no goal to drive LaF from the game. There is no goal to weaken LaF. The goal is to give LaF the punishment it deserves. If all members or only a fraction of the members want to take their medicine then so be it.

If the upper management of the team was knowingly breaking some rules by which they have agreed to abide, then yes, the entire team should be punished on some level, whether that is a year off, or whatever. There is no positive reinforcement for being a good community member it turns out - negative reinforcement against being a bad community member is all there really is. It is not a desire for punishment, it is the reality of evoking good change.

And yet, there was a 5v1 gangbang just last set.. I guess taking a stance has to be multiple sets which if it was allowed to happen would.... SHOCKER.... drive Laf members from the game. Not even Imag would keep all it's members if it was repeatedly hit by 5 other clans. I guess we should all consult you on how long this punishment should go on.

That accusation of cheating rule existed well before Martian posted about it. I have seen it mentioned by him in the past too. Perhaps you should review those rules again, or maybe they need to be made more clear.

That's great Detmer, but it's not that simple as there is no judge, jury and executioner. There is no earthempires God.

This isn't a black and white issue about what is right and what is wrong. This is about the severity of the punishment/exaggeration of the crime in the view of many and most of the idiots on this forum are trying to make it a supporting vs not supporting cheating issue because they're ignorant.

You weren't hit by 5 clans this set. You were hit by 2 alliances with even numbers.

We wouldn't have hit you anyway, as we were going to set up a friendly war between each other, until we saw failed SoF ops on us, and preemptively hit LaF with even numbers. If we had wanted we could have wiped out half of LaF in a combined FS (evo/md/sol/pdm) and then SoF/RD wouldn't have been able to overturn that deficit.

Instead we tried to make it even (to our detriment) and somewhat fun, rather than a simple grudge war or crusade against "cheating scum".

I wasn't talk to you and your posts have no merit.

Seeing as locket mentioned a 5v1 it seems quite clear that my post was directed at him/laf...

>_>

FYI Helmet this is actually exactly what happened.

I don't read his posts. I've read enough in the past to know he's full of crap.

Ok well that's your prerogative, but his post does factual represent the turn of events on our side re war planning for this reset.

Ok, but I won't take your word for it. haha

I don't really care what he said. I felt like responding to detmer's post.

Arsenal, if that's true,

End it. End it now. Disband the anti-Laf coalition, and sign pacts for next reset.

/me yawns

at least when you speak to ivan you know what you're signing up for :)

Who said it was an Anti-LaF coalition? Your post is probably the most annoying one I've seen all day.

Servant everytime you post ridiculous stuff like "Anti-LaF" you further alienate me. I had alot of respect for you but you vouched for SG and that didn't workout so well for me with RD or just generally now has it.

But in the interests of peace I have infact tried to end it like 3 times, each time my hand has been slapped back.

For the record I've previously approached BOTH LaF and SoF leadership.

I won't be commenting on the contents of those conversations.

lol when was this? This set? When you guys were planning to fluff us over a few sets back?

I personally hope everyone agrees to just go their separate ways next set. This crap is tiresome. So if you actually want peace with all involved parties and you think we don't I'll harass our leaders till they do want peace(Which I think they do anyways)

I've done it before and during this reset.

Arsenal did try hard, but the deal just wasn't appealing enough to do a complete U-turn in my personal opinion.

I would ask for resignations of Arsenal, Maki, Anoniem, 3 set unbreakable pacts, and possibly SoL signing a server no war pact being SoL was so close to disbanding due to war.

Let me translate this in terms that are actually true

We fluffed ourselves seeing the other sides numbers and decided to have friendly wars between each other instead of walking up against that"

Can someone start the counter on when LAF or SOF had a notable victory without some lame move? Was it earth 2025 for SOF?

the last Time SoF had a notable victory was when SoF and SOL were the big dogs, seems now, that SoF, and LaF are more dependent on each other than when SOL and SoF were the top two.

[quote poster=Zahc; 18473; 341647]You all had your fun gang banging LaF last set cause their leaders "cheat" but cant accept that you got your ass whooped this set. Excuse after excuse is all i hear. LaF/SoF are better at actually playing the game aswell as all the shady political BS that comes along with leading an alliance. RD hit only MD its not like they FSed all of SPEM. Even before they entered the war SoF/LaF were catching up in every category and had severely hurt your countries growth. They have superiors war leaders and stategists so just accept the fact you lost in every way possible(except morally)

[You can not accuse people of cheating without admin confirmation. You must take accusations to the admins.] LaF leaders got caught cheating, got booted, and now are back just as strong as before so better start figuring out your plans for kissing their ass and getting a pact instead of whining about every possible excuse for why you lost. This games turning into such a bunch of fluffes.

Being a long time SoFer id be the first to admit that i hate RD and things they have done in the past, but as many ppl have said to improve the game we need to forgive the past so it looks like SoF has taken one of the first steps to better the game. Now whose going to hop onboard and whose going to troll AT some more cause they cant afford viagra [/quote]

That'a boy champ tell it like it is, knock some sense into these sock puppets!

You always seem to forget that 2 sets ago we were FSed by a larger PDM and won hands down.

Selective memory perhaps? Or do you not consider your ally a worthy opponent?

last warning:
dragging admin accusations into this is not going to be tolerated. Everything that happened regarding that incident was very clearly disclosed and was accidental.

Not liking a tag for whatever politics/lack of skills, leadership personalities is of course fine (ie most of this thread) so I'm not gonna close it..

Did you really just say that? You might need to look at editing your signature . . .

This game is about one thing: numbers. As long as you have numbers on your side you win. End of story. There is no stonewalling, no skill required, no nothing but numbers.

The game is lame as could be right now.

Locket, from the stance of someone completely not involved in the politics on this server, try to look at this as I explain it from a general member standpoint.

Last set was a gut reaction to people that were furious about being cheated. Whether it was dirty finishes, being spied on, whatever, people were highly upset, myself included.

This set, was about making the point regarding the cheating, and many LaF members flat out denials of the allegations, that is almost more upsetting than the cheating in the first place. This war was to be a good war, and just to make a point, not drive Laf from the server. While there are many laf'ers that post on AT that I just want to break fingers, for the most part I have no issue with them. If we were focussing on driving laf from the game, we would have all FS the first time, and made it miserable for them.

My honest opinion, lasting peace will be really hard, as long as certain laf, sof, evo, sol members get on AT, and spout so much tripe.

Just my .02

You're obviously completely ignorant about my stance, which I have posted on several occasions.

The error in your logic, Helmet, is to think that the other leaders in LaF were completely ignorant of the cheating going on. It will never be proven but to think that they weren't cognizant, at some level, of it is not logical.

If I played in an alliance and always had this great intel and such provided by another leader I would at some point begin to question the source. And the only next logical step would be to, at least consider, it to be ill gotten.

You can stand by whoever you want, you choose LaF, that is fine. But don't act like you're some great guy who doesn't support cheating. Because in all likelihood you are supporting cheating. LaF and RD have long histories of such acts. It is not wise to assume any different now.

Wasn't the owner of this game a don in LaF and your hFA a few sets ago?

Yes and he is, in my eyes, trustworthy. Now this doesn't hold true for all in said alliances.