Time for my almost annual (every 2 months lol) reset alliance rankings, based on previous resets and where things appear to be.


Please note, These are just my opinion, and I am doing these independent of my role in the server, and I have a long history of posting things like this and doing the best to remain as politically apolitical, as possible and objective in my analysis.


1. LAF- Now, Before the trollfest begins Consider.

Last reset they had already beaten SOL (the #4 alliances on this list,) and were on their way to beating MD also (The #3 alliance in their list) before Evo came into the war (The #6 alliance on this list.)

When else in earth history was an alliance capable of, the following.

A. Beating the #3 and #4 alliances in a 2-1 war. And turning a war against #3,4,6 into a somewhat extended war.

B. Able to win TNW any reset it nets, while always being a top 2 in ave net...and a threat to win the triple netting crown any reset it nets.

Even in the smaller size of the game, this is unprecedented. When the game was larger this was unprecedented combination.

Yes, 2 premier leaders cheated. Yes, this legitimized opportunities to go after LAF and really juiced up the server politics for a while.

Don Goku's response as a rookie leader?

1. Immediately booted the offenders.
2. Immediately invited an investigations by neutral respected observers giving full access to the sure.
3. While under fire, to take action, waited on the results of the investigation....before deciding what further actions to take.
4. Took steps towards personal, public apologies on AT and to those involved about the cheating and its negative effects it had on the game.
5. Rather than accepting allies offers of help, took the one reset beating to atone for the actions of 2 people.

Name one other "cheating" alliance that ever took those type of immediate actions.

Name one alliance leader, in the games history, that has to endure that type of baptism by fire in a first reset. and came out This strong the following reset.
Son Goku did a hell of a job in a terrible situation, and deserves props for it even from his enemies.


#2. SOF- Helmet's back. SOF is the only alliance war alliance on par with LAF. And in a 2-1 I think SOF could take #3 and #4, except that wouldn't happen for political reasons. As long a Helmet is around SOF will be a threat to the the top alliance in the game. Sov deserves a special Shout out, he's really stepped it

#3. MD- Leads the second strongest group in the game. Great netters, great fighters. Wasn't afraid to lead, on its own by example in their crusade against the cheater expelled from LAF. They aren't afraid to lose a few wars for a purpose. Whether it was the anti ROCk wars 12 yrs ago, or the anti LAF wars of today. We'll see how it goes.

#4- SOL- SOL, could probably take MD in a 1-1 war, but netting wise and politically isn't quite as connected as MD right now.

#5. LCN- No longer #11, sorry guys. That PR stunt ended yes ago. We're #6 should be your new PR stunt:) For Top 5 rankings, except you're slightly too good. TNW 2 of the last 3 resets, and an underrated FA office, willing to chart its own course. Whatever that means and wherever that leads.

#6. Evo- What can One say? They're the best of the reset. Near 40 members, great netters, capable of an ave net title any reset, and when the bigger boys fight a TNW threat too.

#7- PDM- size gets you here. Theere are smaller alliances of higher per member quality, but no matter what anyone says.....SIZE MATTERS! Detmer is a long term proven alliance leader that has made PDM the place to be as CWG once was:)

#8. Rival- IF Rival was 35-40 members they'd be #6, if they were 50 they'd be #3. They're that good. Just not big enough. And never ever ever underestimate their leadership and veteran core.

#9 RD- Silver has them winning Ave net titles. Not everyone agree's witht heir methods, but they put up some impressive numbers.

#10 Monsters- They like to sleep. But when they wake up, they are a valuable alliance to the server. THe Mosnters prefer their apolitical stances, and do their best not to allow people to question it more than once every 5 yrs or so.

#11- TIE- TIE you'e earned it solid netting development, and a solid war win last reset
You're moving up the rankings, from where you were a few resets ago keep it up.

#12. Omega- Phenomial core, small and quiet right now with new energy could easily move up the rankings.

#13- Collaboration- Yes they're quiet, almost as if they're turning into the Monsters as quiet as they've been since ECM, solid fighters, solid netters. I had them ranked #9 till I saw their current membership numbers.

#14. NA- 20+ members, just don't know much about where they are at as an alliance, they've been quiet for a while.

#15. Imagnum- Honestly if they were mid 20's they'd probably be a top 10 group but their numbers are a bit smaller than the last few yrs....As tenacious a group of figthers as their are in the game.

#16. ICN- Quiet and steady, Always present, A group of vets that love playing with each other.

#17- NeoFED- was going to get a top 10 ranking, but lost 10 players. Impressive return

#18 Rage- Good group of guys, just hard to do much with 10 members

#19- MGP- just be glad I include you in the rankings, you have nowhere to go but up. As noted that in all the earth empires reset I never had to rank anyone # 19:) Which is a GOOD sign for the game.


New alliance alert...maybe The Death Knights- I don't know anything about them, but the good news is, they're guaranteed to win the new alliance of the reset award...I hope alliance leaders take the time to learn about them and see how legit this group is.

#19- RD

had to move further down the rankings so we could continue to hide that Servant is actually Mr.Crimson :)

added you already:)

TIE, Sanct, Neofed are all better netters than Monsters and would beat Monsters in war too.

my only point of contention:

TC shouldn't be referred to as a "premier leader".

TC has not had a leadership role in LaF for a long time (including last reset). He hasn't even been especially active (including last reset).

Active and playing a country yes, but by no means a premier leader.

Plus Don Goku's response as a rookie leader... personal apologies? Evo had a LaF Leader spying on our site through the database access and we never got a personal apology at any stage. Maybe he was too busy apologizing to Monsters?

dang it.. i let the cat out of the bang.. I mean Servant isn't Mr.Crimson anymore, errr never was. *wistles innocently*

BattleKJ- you are possibly right,

It was Neofed's and Sacnt's drop in membership that dropped their rankings,

IF they were at 25 members, or even 22-23 I would have ranked them higher than Monsters.

as for TIE/Monsters, well they are only 1 ranking apart so I would agree anytime 2 alliances are 1 ranking apart, it's a matter of semantics.

Damn you Silver,

Crimson is already taken,

now as a Sooner Fan,

MR Cream:) that could work!

For the record SOL was already destroyed when MD hit the 80 member Laf with 40 +members. I liked that we're #3 but MD is only satisfied with #1 :P

H4, he ran a hosting site! Used by the majority of the game!


Cueball, Brian/BB, and others, can all be considered "Premier" members of the community for their contribution to it.

And he was a member of LAF.

Premier stays:)

Agreed Pride...

Still which alliance has defeated the #4 alliance, and absorbed a FS from #3 and then still was on it way to victory?

Actually, Monsters still out nets TIE. I won't speak for the other clans, but monsters has a slight edge on us when it comes to netting. As for war, TIE has an upper hand.

Overall, I would have swapped TIE and Monsters positions, but I'm biased.

My point of contention is that he is even referred to as a LaF leader at all, cause he wasn't.

Also hosting a site and running a site are 2 different things. The site was on his server, but Pang administrated the site.

NO ARGUING!

He is a long time vet and has held many leadership positions +hosting,

He's a leader. Or was till he booted, even if not actively leading, he is a leader....



Others can feel free to comment/make their rankings,


PS, IN IRCH chat, KJ said I was pulling Goku's Wanker.....

My reply was, that if KJ had ever done anything like Goku had for the last reset, I would have pulled his wanker too.

When props are due, they should be given.

Servant: I wouldn't mind seing #1 and #2 go against each other. Then we might see a close war. However, as with #2 taking on #3 and #4, it will not happen for political reasons.

This alliance rankings is sickening.

Sickeningly unbiased? :)

SG FTW!

LaF is ranked too high.

+1 on SG.

Maybe the anti-LAF team should divert resources from their plotting and revenge departments to their IA departments.

If these statements were correct, then I'd still disagree. However, they are incorrect and as such I highly disagree.

a) Hosting and administering are not the same thing. TC was the host, which is a passive role. It basically required him to create pang a developer account on his server and that is it, ot her than making sure the server stays up and running (which he would have been doing anyways given that his primary use for the server were for other, non earth related things).

Mambo still hosts a few things for LaF, but we never see or hear from him unless we email him with an issue (meaning we only see him maybe once every 1 - 1.5 years). But according to your definition above he would have to be considered a "premier leader". As such I think you need to consider refining and restricting your definition some.

TC was also not a "long time" leader, as his total time in upper leadership was for about 12 - 18 months total, which in comparison is a very brief period.

He also retired both from leadership and playing back in 2006 (6 years is a long time) and we saw him post on our boards maybe a couple times a year during the last 6 years, other than the last 2 resets of course where he came back and actively started playing/paying attention again (due to Hanlong emailing him mentioning all the crap talk Arsenal was saying about him).

In closing if TC is to be considered a "premier leader" in LaF, then that greatly undervalues/insults the contributions of of the actual long time leaders.

servant mr cream was TC bud.. pick another color ;)

top 8 = spot on
after that = many things I'd disagree with. Mine would be TIE Monsters Omega RD Collab NA iMag and the rest doesn't really matter. I think you severely overrate RD's netting "accomplishments" (they drop members, use internal landfarms and landtrade) and underestimate TIE's abilities - they fought a really impressive war against iMag last set.

nvm, didnt see Omega at 18 members. Below Collab then.

Full credit to LAF's leaders and IAs. I've been consulting with them on a regular basis in regards to LAF's membership and activity and they are right on the ball. Their efforts to rebuild LAF after last set are a shining example of how you can get results directly relative to the efforts you put in.

In regards to SoF. About 2 sets ago we would have come up 5th or 6th on your rankings.

Rival??? LULZ PLLLEEEAASSEE. Their leaders lie and get them into wars constantly while netting.
Please redo your list.

All I ask, is if you disagree, please state why.

That way we can look at fact, or at least different interpretations of facts,

Jiman, tell me what was sickening, and state where its wrong.


thanks!




H4, we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
IN my book, TC had a long and illustrious career at all levels of LAF, and was active.

Sometimes vets have more pull than active leaders....He was a leader...I'm talking about MORE than position.

LCN should be above sol

One thing I can assure you of was that TC was not active at all. Before the set in question he popped in maybe once every 2-3 months and hadn't played in quite some time :P

Servants rankings are only based on the amount of members an alliance has.

Or they are based on a combination of skill and power... yep? yah they are. I could post evidence from the number of members in each alliance but I'm sure you know your post is full of poop without that :)

yup, Evo are ranked too high.

I mean its totally not a Servant kissing ass fest? He calls Rival good? lol! Never underestimate their leaders? Its hard to overestimate them!!

SoL is ranked too high.

KJ you just sound a tad bitter

You might get your will, LAF is VERY hostile agenst SOF

06:49 06/10/12 PS Angry Bear (#36) (LaF) MyChevyDrifts (#187) (SoF) Defense Held

From working with Rival, and then joining rival briefly, They do things on purpose. They don't ruin there netting sets to war, they just wargain better the you.

Flawed

LCN should be 11th

Like Brink said.

LCN should be 11th.

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Shall I pull logs for you?

WHAT ROLLS DOWN STAIRS
ALONE OR IN PAIRS
ROLLS OVER YOUR NEIGHBORS DOG
WHAT"S GREAT FOR A SNACK
OR FITS ON YOUR BACK
IT'S LOGGS LOGGGGS LOGGGSSS
IT"S LOGGGS LOGGGSS IT"S BIG IT"S HEAVY IT"S WOOD (that's what she said)
IT"S LOGGGS LOGGGS IT"S BETTER THAN BAD IT"S GOOD!

Everyone lies in this game. Everyone has logs of the other person lying. No one is an angel so yah.

Find logs of me lying >_<

alright...


<Jiman> I don't love Justin Bieber

somebody rename Rockman to Richelieu...

I should have done this earlier, In the rankings, and I apologize to Jiman for not doing so.

Jiman also has done a lot of work in rebuilding SOL's relationships with others in the community. I know there are times where maybe he isn't able to do everything he wants to do, but one can only hope for that day, as I really feel as if he had a free hand he'd turn SOL into a much stronger political entity than it has been the last 18 months or so.

That has been a very difficult task, and his honest conversations with me, that we've had, (even when we vehemently disagree) have been a refreshing experience in regards to my interactions with SOL.

(Waits for KJ to accuse me of pulling JIman's Wanker)


PS, KJ I ranked EVO over PDM.....who has more members:)

I ranked Rival over a few alliances with more members....TIE and Monsters come to mind.

But yes numbers matter in rankings.
And So does skill.

confirmed jiman is FTW id let him run any alliance i was in any day