ain't against them, just want to know why they should get extra rights if they ain't going to go around birthing any babies.

If they want to marry, who cares... Let em. Why would they not be allowed to spend a fortune on a one day party and then suffer like the rest of us. Lol j/k

Long ago the US gov saw the value in families being good for America. Because of this they get tax breaks and other discounts and advantages over everyone else. That said, if gay people are allowed to marry and it is recognized by the gov then they would be getting those tax breaks ect too. That would have a impact on everyone else. Where is all that tax revenue going to be made up from? From all the other single people out there. That is an unfair impact on them.

Secondly, like it or not the USA was founded with Christian values. Yes, you can practice any religion you want, as long as it does not harm anyone else here. However, we were founded with Christian ideals and Marriage is clearly defined as a union between a man and a woman.

Lastly, it goes against God. It goes against Nature. Yes some creatures go both ways to reproduce but Humans were not made that way. Therefore it goes against nature. And it goes against God. In almost any religion God makes it clear that man shall not lie with man. I have a duty to do what i can to prevent this just as i would with preventing murder or any other of the crimes against God.

No, i am not judging you. What anyone does is between them and their Maker. However, i feel compelled to do all i can to stop them from trying to infringe on others and what is clearly a (religious at heart) union meant to be ONLY between a man and a woman.

Bring it up for a Nationwide Vote. I would bet almost anything it gets defeated 60/40 or more. America does NOT want it. To all Gay people: I respect your right to be Gay. Now stop trying to force Gay on to everyone else.

OMG LOLOLOL I think this pastor is a bit crazy:

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/...for-gays-so-they-die-out/

Tax breaks for families is stupid. They should not exist. Tax breaks do not exist to encourage people to get married. People make families without tax breaks. To say that gay people should have to carry a greater tax burden than single straight people is unfair.


I NEVER said gey people should have to carry a greater tax burden than single straight people. I am arguing they should have the SAME burden and NOT get tax BREAKS. Are you stupid Detmer?



What Christian ideals are in our government? Laws against murder, rape, theft, etc? Those are universal ideals. The fact that there is freedom of religion is a pretty clear testament against this being founded as a Christian nation. Despite what Texas would have you believe, Thomas Jefferson was not even a Christian.


Once again, are you stupid Detmer? Look at our money. In God we trust is Stamped on it. How can you seriously argue that our country has no Christian ideals? The PLEDGE of Allegiance "one nation UNDER GOD" Our Declaration of Independence talks about rights "endowed by their Creator" DUDE, Detmer, again, are you stupid? It is ALL OVER this country. America, if it did have a national religion (and i am glad it does not) it would be Christian.

And yes, the Bible is pretty clear on what a marriage is http://www.gaychristianalliance.com/.../02/biblical-marriage.jpg Only between one man and one woman except for when it isn't.



How does it go against nature? There are people that are inherently gay. Some animals are observed to undertake "gay" activities. Natural is such an arbitrary term anyways, but that is a discussion for a different day. And how does it go against God? I know you have heard that from a bunch of ignorant people for all your life, and being the ignorant person you are just accepted that as fact. When you actually look at the Bible though you see that is not really clear.


It goes against Nature because if EVERYONE was gay that would pretty much end the human race. Of course Gay people would argue artificial incim. But it would end out existence.

http://squashed.tumblr.com/...ble-condemn-homosexuality
http://squashed.tumblr.com/...ity-and-the-new-testament

(I have looked at other sources to verify this person is speaking accurately and they are)

If you notice, Jesus never even spoke about homosexuality, or anything construable as homosexuality - it clearly was not a topic of interest.



How does two people having equal rights infringe upon others? That makes no sense. These people can see each other in the hospital if one is critically ill. That is terrible. Just like you.

It does infringe on others when it makes single people have to pick up the tax burden if gay people can get married and get tax breaks. Think on this say gay people currently pay 10% of our nations taxes (example only). If they were allowed to be married and get tax breaks then they would only have to pay 7% of the nations taxes. That 3% would have to be picked up somewhere. Therefore single people would have to pay more in taxes just so gay people can get married. Therefore it does infringe on single people. You really are dumb.



It is possible we have a bigoted, ignorant nation just like you. Regardless of how you feel, gay people are not trying to make anyone else gay or force anything upon anyone else, despite how you feel.

Stupid people like you always fall back to this. No, i am not gay. I am not homophobic. I do not have any problem with gay people. I have had gay friends and family members. I am not bigot. I have religious, moral, and ethical VALUES that i have to stand up for. Thanks GOD there are many more Americans who feel as i do than the minority who feel as you do. We take NOTHING away from gay people. Why do they (gay people) feel the need to take away from us?
(which as it turns out, you just might be gay
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014)
"Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."

I NEVER said gey people should have to carry a greater tax burden than single straight people. I am arguing they should have the SAME burden and NOT get tax BREAKS. Are you stupid Detmer?

Once again, are you stupid Detmer? Look at our money. In God we trust is Stamped on it. How can you seriously argue that our country has no Christian ideals? The PLEDGE of Allegiance "one nation UNDER GOD" Our Declaration of Independence talks about rights "endowed by their Creator" DUDE, Detmer, again, are you stupid? It is ALL OVER this country. America, if it did have a national religion (and i am glad it does not) it would be Christian.

It goes against Nature because if EVERYONE was gay that would pretty much end the human race. Of course Gay people would argue artificial incim. But it would end out existence.

It does infringe on others when it makes single people have to pick up the tax burden if gay people can get married and get tax breaks. Think on this say gay people currently pay 10% of our nations taxes (example only). If they were allowed to be married and get tax breaks then they would only have to pay 7% of the nations taxes. That 3% would have to be picked up somewhere. Therefore single people would have to pay more in taxes just so gay people can get married. Therefore it does infringe on single people. You really are dumb.

Stupid people like you always fall back to this. No, i am not gay. I am not homophobic. I do not have any problem with gay people. I have had gay friends and family members. I am not bigot. I have religious, moral, and ethical VALUES that i have to stand up for. Thanks GOD there are many more Americans who feel as i do than the minority who feel as you do. We take NOTHING away from gay people. Why do they (gay people) feel the need to take away from us?

The church was probably founded on gays. They were the ones that decided never to marry a woman and went off to live together in the churches and monasteries. Probably so scared of their 'sinful' urges they removed themselves from normal society under the excuse of the church so that nobody confronts them about not marrying and having kids. They should have just accepted themselves for who they are instead of hiding behind the church and surrounding themselves with young boys who are too scared of the godly men to talk.

Detmer, clearly you are stupid. No, i do not hate gay people. YOU try to say i do but i do not. NO, they do not make me uneasy. I have no problem with them doing their thing as long as it does not effect me. Legalizing gay marriage WOULD effect ME. If would effect EVERY straight and gay person. It would take away form me. I know you are unable to understand that and all the other reasons i CLEARLY laid out above so i see no point in continuing to argue with someone as base as you.

It is a shame that just because a few can yell real loud that they assume they are right and everyone else must be wrong. On this issue, i stand with God. Yes, in the bible it says Man shall not lie with man. You do not get that so no point in going further. God will judge you and me. I feel confident i am right on this issue. Good luck to you.

Detmer your lies and false allegations are easy to see through and do not deserve a response. You and people like you will NEVER change my, or others, opinion on this. Our opinion will never change because it is a black and white issue for us. Either gay marriage is right or it is wrong. We (MOST people in the US) agree it is wrong. That will not change. Keep spouting your lies and assumptions if you like. You are an ass. It makes it easy for others to see that.

...like it or not the USA was founded with Christian values. Yes, you can practice any religion you want, as long as it does not harm anyone else here. However, we were founded with Christian ideals and Marriage is clearly defined as a union between a man and a woman.

Lastly, it goes against God. ... And it goes against God. In almost any religion God makes it clear that man shall not lie with man. I have a duty to do what i can to prevent this just as i would with preventing murder or any other of the crimes against God.

Bring it up for a Nationwide Vote. I would bet almost anything it gets defeated 60/40 or more. America does NOT want it. To all Gay people: I respect your right to be Gay. Now stop trying to force Gay on to everyone else.

1. The Government should not be in the marriage business. If the government wants to recognize cotracts called civil unions, so be it.

2. Marriage should be a religious only institution, that is only ceremonial, and does not cover any legal ground...(see above where civil union comes in.

3. In the state of minnesota there are 565 legal benefits that go with marriage, that same sex couples do not get. I'll share 2 examples I know of.

I know of a police officer, who if she is killed in the line of duty, her partnership is not recognized and her spouse and kids would not receive the benefit payouts that a heterosexual spouse would.

I know of a same gender couple, who worked at the Mayo Clinic, the spouse who worked at the clinic died, now usually, the pension automatically goes to her spouse, but since she didn't sign a paper that specifically stated she wanted it to go to her spouse, a brother (who is a right wing religious nut) swooped in and claimed the pension. Denying the pension to her partner of 25 yrs! If this had been a hertosexual couple, the benefit would have been automatic.

At the Mayo Clinic, same gender couples get the same benefits of hertosexual couples, however you have to pay federal and state taxes on the benefits. while heterosexual couples do not.

Need I go on.

4. I will debate anyone, who wants to use the Bible to say "Gay Marriage" isn't Christian. I will prove you wrong. Someone, dare to call me out on this:)

5. GLTBQ people deserve equal rights from the government. Enough said.


Deerhunter, my grandparents once flipped out when I dated an amazing, hot, African American Female, who was a finalist int he Miss Oklahoma pageant.
They were wrong. To them it was a black and white issue. HIstory has proven them wrong.
history will prove you wrong also:)

and trust me, they used the bible, the its not natural, what will you tell your kids about their heritage etc arguments. They were wrong.


PS, new polling data this year suggest over 50% of people support Gay marriage. The whole reason we're having this debate, is conservative saw this trend and tried to preempt it. All these state constitution laws are nothing but a preemptive FS, designed to delay the inevitable.

PS, new polling data this year suggest over 50% of people support Gay marriage. The whole reason we're having this debate, is conservative saw this trend and tried to preempt it. All these state constitution laws are nothing but a preemptive FS, designed to delay the inevitable.

What if people want to marry their animals (i.e. Dibs)?

surprised how reactionary this forum is, thought people pretty much universally believed in gay marriage on Internet forums (outside of the conservative political ones) these days.

let gay peeps get married. let them call it marriage. your church doesn't have to marry them if it's got a problem with it.

DH, there are plenty of theocracies that I'm sure would be happy to provide you with a home. Your words above contradict yourself later in the thread... you say "America, if it did have a national religion (and i am glad it does not) it would be Christian." but yet above you assert that we DO need to adhere to a Christian standard in our nation and government. YOU need to choose, are you seeking a theocracy or freedom of religion? You cannot have it both ways.



Ever hear of a concept called "The Tyranny of the Majority"? This is something our constitution was specifically written to avoid. Your suggestion is laughable.

this forum has always been reactionary because it's a diverse group of people and a good many just don't see eye to eye.

the problem isn't about the churches. the problem is about the government's involvement. it's essentially just a civil contract, but they're using tax payer dollars to, um, regulate it?

whether you agree with the tax treatment of marriages shouldn't really have anything to do with refusing gay folk equal rights

it is not equal rights. if it was equal rights then a single person would have the same rights. married people have enhanced rights and receive preferential treatment in society because they are going to make the babies.

my response makes perfect sense. you're stating that because we have the technology or an overabundance of children produced by heterosexual couples that the gays can raise children. it's not a question about their ability to raise children, it's a question of whether or not they can produce children.

i tell you that the reason that hetrosexual couples get preferential treatment is because of their ability to produce children and create a family, and you just keep going on about how the gays are being discriminated against because of their sexual preference.

well, as a single person.. i demand all the rights of married people everywhere.

equal rights, come on now..

if they were born destined to be gay, then i was born destined to be a smoker and a drug user. have we spoken about the equal rights and all that, yet?

or do you just really, really not want me smoking in the booth next to you at the restaurant? i call that unfair and discriminatory, so you have to stop wanting this?

also, i used cocaine in the last five years, so i can not donate blood. neither can the gays, i don't think. if they eventually get to, then so do i?

but you're wrong, because there is also the status that comes with being a married couple, as well as many other benefits and privileges that have nothing to do with incentivizing childbirth. i really think that's just a giant red herring you're using because you don't want gay ppl to be able to be married like straights, but once again gay people can not only adopt, but also conceive children for childbirth (gay men can use their semen toward the birth of a child, gay women can use a donor and carry a child and birth it).