A few alliances contributed to the decision, LCN had a rogue member who helped, but lately #49 from EVO you have farmed too much. And it's just not worth it anymore.

I spend hours doing FA, getting DNH or stronger pacts to have rogue members who don't listen to leadership farm the fuvk out of our members. When I message them in game they have the biggest EGO's and attitudes I've ever come across "you guys suck, your too small to retal me so just eat a fluff!"

fluff like that I come across everyday as leader of a SMALL alliance like MGP. There is no respect left in the game and for an addicting game, that I've known for 10+ years it stinks.

It's not just EVO although you have been the biggest problem, I thought we had finally got DNH? The news says otherwise.

Anyways. I have tried really hard for change. I left the game for a good 7 years so i guess I could see the problems / poison in this game better than other who never left. My comments, and input were always positive. I can leave this game, knowing I have tried to help make the changes needed.

Now I guess what happens from now on is up to those left.

Oh, Good afternoon Good evening and Good night. I'm out.

Actually if they sent that message... there's a report message feature that you can use and i've seen peeps get deleted for saying less than eat a fluff

No abusive messages have been sent by the Evo member.

not it

http://www.eestats.com/alliance/country/1082 - so what is your member doing hitting an evo country first?

Lol we didn't hit you first. Check the tag stats. You guys put on 50 hits for our 1hit. Next.

Plenty of people have given you good advice, and you chose to ignore it. You say respect doesn't exist in the game- you're quite wrong. Respect isn't free in the game. You have to earn it, and with a history of deletions and poor retalling, you simply haven't earned any from a good bit of the community.

lol

What advice has he ignored? I haven't followed this drama 2 closely, but I've seen very decent retals being put up only to get !!@@#~@# on for their efforts.

I feel an obligation to help the little man and with Fazer stepping aside, you will now have to deal with me for FA relations.

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and pretty much always ideling in #earthempires


I will be expecting contact to be made.

Shame on you evo rehabs.

Join na

Jeremy, your online ego is either soooo big you cannot smell your own fluff, or that of your alliance, or your ego Is that big you believe it couldn't possibly smell...

Here is a classic example and its clear as day in the news for everyone too see... #221 NeoFed hits MGP country 8 TIMES and he is 10 TIMES SMALLER # 184 MGP.

By our policy and everyone elses we are fair to KILL that NeoFed country. Rather than kill, given the size difference we slam a few missiles.

Fair enough, our member had to retal somehow... And NeoFed decides to now KILL him... And Jeremy thinks all is okay...

Evidence is here

http://www.eestats.com/alliance/country/184

He made contact with multiple alliances through FA... what more can be asked of him. None of his clan mates suicided to my knowledge or it would have been on AT..

Evo, LaF, SoF whoever, you're all as bad as each other why do you bother coming to these threads to bash each other?

fazer, I say stick to your guns, and the next time someone eight taps your alliance you kill the offending country period. No FA contact, just kill it. Its what any of the larger alliances would do. Yes, you guys may be killed but I think it would send a message.

we'll play a game of good cop bad cop, i'll give you one guess who is what.

You are bullies evo, and you cry about laf doing it to you guys, hypocrites.  

doing such is like suicide, i believe his move contacting FAs is the first thing he should do, knowing also that his group is a batch of noobs.

i don't think he had contacted almost all alliances out there, but most of them put MGP on DNH. don't know what happened between them (Evo and fazer). it's really difficult nowadays to create a new alliance in the server cause you'll be disregarded by the "big balls".

There isn't much respect in this game. GL with whatever you move on to fazer. Maybe you can hang around the community like I do.

No contact was ever made to me, first of all- you say you've contacted all FA people, but the only time you've ever handled something with Neo was over AT- you have to realize that pretty much no established alliance will do FA on Alliance talk- PM, ICQ or IRC- I'm around way too much for my own good.

Also, it's pretty simple. I've tried giving you advice on this point, as I've played in smaller alliances pretty much all the time. You have to have guys who are dedicated to retal. You have only one at this point that is- and he's made 3 attacks in the last 72 hours. If you had multiple countries with 10m jets, or a couple of commie indy all-jetters, you'd be in much better position. I could hit you 8 times for 1200 acres, but if you retalled only once and took back 1500 because of the size difference, I might think again next time before I hit you, right?

You're not going to be able to hold on to your land because there are so many larger alliances out there. However, if you build a reputation as a group who can get big retals, and you retal every country that hits you, even if it's only once for each 5 or 6 hits, you'll slowly make your way into legitimacy. Going a whole set without a deletion (as it looks like you're going to do this set) is a plus too- I'll admit that when I see you post about the new alliance you're representing, I think "FARMLAND" because I assume you'll be deleted in a week- that's the reputation you have. Erasing that reputation would help a lot.

Finally, please speak clearer. Example "Jeremy, your online ego is either soooo big you cannot smell your own fluff, or that of your alliance, or your ego Is that big you believe it couldn't possibly smell..."

I have no clue what you're trying to say.

people still use icq?

Fazer talks this crap about being farmed, but then we get situations like one of our members being double tapped by 2 MGP members, taking some retals, then getting massively RoR'd.
As some have said, you earn respect in this game, you can't just expect it.

Missiles are never valid retals. ABs ftw!

u must be a PDM member

you must be referring to this situation :

(2a)2012-05-11 00:03:25 SS Chasing Cars (#998) MGP HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT 775A (1142A)

(1a)2012-05-10 17:48:36 PS balle (#964) MGP HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT 1242A (1830A)


MGP Members grab same country 8 hrs apart, perhaps a mistake as alot of your countries are "Hohiro" blah blah, reguardless normal fa conduct would and should be 1:1 for first hit, and 2:1 for 2nd hit, Let's see what Sanct did shall we dustfp?


(5)2012-05-11 06:04:46 PS HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT Chasing Cars (#998) MGP 43A (48A)
(4)2012-05-11 06:04:43 PS HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT Chasing Cars (#998) MGP 102A (113A)
(3)2012-05-11 06:04:40 PS HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT Chasing Cars (#998) MGP 96A (124A)
(2)2012-05-11 06:03:16 PS HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT Chasing Cars (#998) MGP 141A (182A)
(1)2012-05-11 06:03:11 PS HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT Chasing Cars (#998) MGP 135A (197A)

That's right they did 5... not 2... 5 retal's on the 2nd hit.

MGP then respectfully does 1:1 on each over RoR:

(1b)2012-05-11 15:59:50 PS cheeka cheeka boom boom (#620) MGP HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT 1624A (2646A)
(2b)2012-05-11 15:58:40 PS cheeka cheeka boom boom (#620) MGP HOhiro indeed (#690) SancT 1458A (2605A)

So please, tell me who's the one massively RoR?

Thank You, Come again.

You must also be familiar with where "vacation mode" is on your preference menu at any sign of a possible tag kill.

its called land:land smartypants

L:L isnt accepted without contact and approval, so sorry to rain on your parade

Sanct's retal policy - All Landgrabs made in the last 24 days of the set will be retalled 150% L:L (before ghost acres) due to disruption of stock time and/or loss of stock. If larger stocks are lost due to a grab within this time frame, we reserve the right to increase this policy as we see fit.

Looks like Sanct let that guy off pretty easy.

Thank you, come again.

and it wasn't even that situation that i was referring to

want to go back and count those days ;)? lol

Dear small clans,

There is only one way to become an established alliance in this game. There is no short cut - you don't get a 'free' ride.

SMALL CLAN PROVEN GUIDE TO MAKING IT!

1. Have at least 10 members
2. Join an existing alliance as a division and create some good will by helping in war/netgaining
3. Move out on your own and come to the defense of aforementioned alliance and their allies.
4. Get FDPs from aforementioned alliance and their closest allies.
5. In 5 resets, you have your established small clan!

really cupcake, cause that's the only grabbing done by MGP on Sanct (other than 1 hit on 4-30)and that was preceeded by 55+ hits from Sanct on MGP.

whats a mgp

agree

crippler you guys are clearly in the wrong for your hits on sanct and sanct should have retalled you 10 times or more to get the land back they deserved for wasting so many turns having to retal you.

I am farming you because of your blatant topfeed on me after I put you on DNH months ago and you topfeed me with no provocation. after hitting everyone in your clan as much as possible i still cant get my land back and never will. If it were up to me we would have killed you after your RoR, but its not.

;p

NOTE: I have tried almost my entire earth career to revive and establish small alliances, I understand exactly what your situation is and have no sympathy for the way you handle yourself.

Quit your fluffing crying! I'm tired of hearing it.

yeah what he said

KJ can read private messages, trust him on this. LOL

I'll refer to a previous comment from another post...

" Hey Jeremy, thanks for your post. That may just be the status of this server / game. And if that is the case, then so be it. I guess the decision that YOU have to make, and every other alliance in this game who wants to farm us is whats really important? You can make the decision now to farm us, and you have a short term gain ( you get acres from us, and maybe finish 5 places higher then otherwise). But what are you really doing? You see for some of us, playing in a smaller alliance is the only way we choose to play. It literally is a case of, if we can't play in a smaller alliance ( which the game allows people to do... create a clan.. ) then we will just choose NOT to play the game at all.

Is that our decision? I guess, if you want to be anal about it. But really the decision was forced apon us. Noone wants to be farmed all set long, achieving a 4m nw finish, instead of a 20m nw finish if left. But i guess as you say, we'll too bad.

But what i really want to ask you the question is, can you not look past the short term gain, and realise perhaps your actions will cause a long term negative impact on the game you so love.

I love this game, However the constant farming will not drive me to another alliance. It will simply make the decision to quit alot easier. As addicting as this game might somewhat be, the time spent on R/L stuff would far outway the benefits wife / kids /work with the extra time. But i choose, to put hours into this game each week, building up a small alliance, to be farmed the fluff out is not a long term interest worth pursuing.

So please, by all means keep your BIG ONLINE EGO in this game. Keep farming the fluff out of the smaller tags, and then say 'well thats just part of the game, join a larger alliance'. Regardless of whether you would ever admin it ( see ego comment ) Only a small portion of the smaller tags will join larger ones. Most will leave. Then the now smaller established tags and netting tags that can't war will get the focus cause you still need that land so RAGE, NA, OMEGA, NEO and MONSTERS become targets. And shortly after they have the same idea. And so a portion of them join the larger tags, and a large portion who have played for many years in the same tag just leave. And the alliance list gets smaller, the player list gets so small, and maybe then, you might actually see past your ego and realise... fluff WE SHOULD OF DONE SOMETHING.

And sure you can troll this comment off to infinity. Do it, and you'd never allow yourself to go fluff i was wrong for farming those new players a new ass hole. But i'll check in, and giving you a right royal virtual fluffing 'I TOLD YOU SO'... "

I certainly appreciate all the alliances messaging me offering a safe haven for MGP to grow. However its just not the way i want to play. I have never had a personal problem with anyone, never acted negatively to anyone, suicided and neither has any of my members. I guess if we cannot play as a small alliance in the game, then we just don't..

lol maybe in FFA

no fool, L:L isnt accepted at all in FFA :P

Fazer,

I tried to work with you,
I tried to tell you it wasn't going to happen,

and I offered multiple ways to try to make it work.
Fact of the matter is you didn't want to listen.

Now there's only 2 other people in the game I can't work with. Out of the 14 yrs I've been around.

You make 3,
at least the other 2 know their role's and limitations and accept em.

"Paradigm accepts any 1 attack for any 1 attack that shows up in the news and reserves the right to retal under the same principle. If a Paradigm country grab you, you can retal with an equal number of attacks of your choosing such as but not limited to ABs, Cruise missiles, etc as long as the number of hits match up. This can also be applied in conjunction with the escalating hit policy."

What I don't see is where Jeremy was ever rude to you in this whole thread that you decided to say he had a big online ego....
All I have seen in the past is this from you:
first round ... massive deletions
second round of complaints... blame evo under the muppets name
and here we are again....blaming evo once again under your new clan name.
Like Jeremy and other said, including me... lots of people, including some moderators gave you advice on what to do.

I certainly appreciate all the alliances messaging me offering a safe haven for MGP to grow. However its just not the way i want to play. I have never had a personal problem with anyone, never acted negatively to anyone, suicided and neither has any of my members. I guess if we cannot play as a small alliance in the game, then we just don't..


Fazer, when you choose to lead an alliance,
its not about you!

You make the choices that are best for the alliance you lead, that's a position of service. Which is why you won't be able to build a small alliance, you just want a place where you aren't accountable for your actions, where its your rules, the way you want to play.

That's not going to happen anywhere, and starting an alliance for that, well,
this is the end result.

im in irc now if you want to chat servant.

Servant when have i EVER made this about me personally. When i have requested to speak with FA on AT or through PM it is always about the good of ALL of our members, or hits on our members.

This has never been about ME, If i choose to no longer play the game then that is MY decision. But every other post, or request has been at our alliance best interests.

And servant, i have been NOTHING but grateful for your extension of support towards myself and the MGP crew in the past. Do not take it personally if it didn't work out. I mentioned to you that I personally would prefer to war instead of Net, but no hard feelings. I noted to you my intentions before making any decisions and last i noted we had no beef. But obviously this is NOT the case, and i would of prefered you to speak directly to me instead of having a stab on AT?