The LaF/MD/SoL/Evo Saga - Earth Empires Forum

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 7:15:15

To end the argument of netgaining.

EVO is better at enforcing all explore strategies.

LaF has better top end talent.

Lesson?

Want to be told what to do and get a average netgaining finish? Join EVO.

Want to learn how to reach #1 on the server? Join LaF.

FACT : #1 Finishes

LaF 7
SoF 2
MD 2
Sanct 1
EVO 1

Top10 Finishes

LaF 42
EVO 30
Omega 16
Sanct 7
RD 7
MD 6
SoF 5
KSF 4
PDM 3
MONSTERS 3
LCN 3
Rival 1
SOL 1
NA 1
EEVIL 1

t50

LaF 138
EVO 148

Shall I go count t100? i got bored

t100

LaF 247
EVO 231

I got really bored at this point and don't really give a damn anymore but just want to find out.

140m +

LaF 55
EVO 74

160m +

LaF 35
EVO 39

180m +

LaF 27
EVO 23

200m +

LaF 17
EVO 14

220m +

LaF 12
EVO 8

Now i'm just posting just to make this longer

T5

LaF 25
EVO 16
Omega 7
SOF 5
MD 4
KSF 3
RD 3
Sanct 1
PDM 1

Edited By: Forgotten on Feb 28th 2012, 7:56:29
See Original Post

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locket

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:01:41

lol forgotten. Did you hand count that?

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:10:03

i was bored.

and I'm tired of the flame war.

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Xinhuan

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:13:13

Forgotten, your above statistics are meaningless without normalization and context.

For example: 2 clans that are EQUALLY good, but Clan A has twice as many members as Clan B, then Clan A would be expected to put out twice as many top10 or top 100 finishes compared to Clan B.

Another Example: 2 clans are equally good at netgaining. But Clan A has had 8 netgaining resets while Clan B only has had 4 netgaining resets. Clan A is expected to put out twice as many top 10 or top 100 finishes compared to Clan B if they are truely of equal skill.

That is, you need to normalize your statistics to something more meaningful "number of top X finishes per 10 members per netting reset".

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:14:03

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

I was bored, why don't you do it!

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Xinhuan

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:16:43

Because I'm not bored.

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:19:32

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Because I'm not bored.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

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hanlong

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Feb 28th 2012, 8:28:55

Originally posted by Forgotten:

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Because I'm not bored.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

what are you? barney stinson?

Don Hanlong
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BattleKJ

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Feb 28th 2012, 15:29:45

Originally posted by Forgotten:

Evo's top 10's etc considering we were a fair bit smaller than LaF for ages is quite nice.

hanlong

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Feb 28th 2012, 17:11:06

Originally posted by BattleKJ:

Originally posted by Forgotten:

Evo's top 10's etc considering we were a fair bit smaller than LaF for ages is quite nice.

cool

Don Hanlong
Don of La Famiglia

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:31:03

I spent more time on a spreadsheet last night.

Both LaF and EVO has been in wars for the 13 sets in EE, LaF more often than EVO.

If you count the total number of countries each side had netgaing, it would be about the same amount, and LaF has better top end finish than EVO. So the 'we are smaller' argument is false. It's true that the alliance is 'smaller'. But over the long run, the amount of countries that had a chance to netgain, is ~20 away from each other over 13 resets, and EVO is ahead.

I'm not really biased, I just want to punch in the numbers, and they tell the story that I assumed at the very top.

EVO is more consistent in having all explore finishes
LaF has more top end finishes.

Want to be average? Join EVO.
Want to be the best? Join LaF.

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Jiman

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:34:28

Didn't Laf drop members a few resets to go to beat EVO in ANW?

Jiman

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:39:12

gawd its turning into another laf vs evo chat.

SAVE US ALL!

* collapses*

Pride

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:49:31

Originally posted by Jiman:

Didn't Laf drop members a few resets to go to beat EVO in ANW?

Lmao that's what the "best" do ??

http://www.boxcarhosting.com/...application.php?clanID=MD

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:52:20

I don't partake nor care about the ANW discussion.

I'm merely talking about the quality.

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locket

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:56:20

Originally posted by Jiman:

Didn't Laf drop members a few resets to go to beat EVO in ANW?

Both sides have :P

hanlong

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:56:52

get off AT forgotten :D

Don Hanlong
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anoniem

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:58:13

all you partake in is following me around IRC and making the most useless spreadsheets known to man.

but i guess it shows you care.

why not apply to Evolution 2025.

we can teach you how to turn statistics into useful information, rather than the crap you probably wasted 2 hours on.

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anoniem

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:59:07

Originally posted by locket:

Originally posted by Jiman:

Didn't Laf drop members a few resets to go to beat EVO in ANW?

Both sides have :P

factually incorrect.

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anoniem

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:59:36

Originally posted by hanlong:

get off AT forgotten :D

how else will i recruit him, if you ban him from AT :S

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NukEvil

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Feb 28th 2012, 20:59:59

I honestly didn't want it to turn into another LaF/EVO thread, but I guess I should have seen it coming, being my argument did mention LaF and EVO a lot.

Oh well. Everybody knows, and nobody cares.

I am a troll. Everything I say must be assumed to be said solely to provoke an exaggerated reaction to the current topic. I fully intend to bring absolutely no substance to any discussion, ongoing or otherwise. Conversing with me is pointless.

locket

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Feb 28th 2012, 21:39:04

Originally posted by anoniem:

Originally posted by locket:

Originally posted by Jiman:

Didn't Laf drop members a few resets to go to beat EVO in ANW?

Both sides have :P

factually incorrect.

lol alright Sky Deletez, keep deluding yourself.

I would rather this thread wasnt a laf vs evo one also nuk :P Same argument 3-4 sets in a row now.

Forgotten

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Feb 28th 2012, 23:04:46

Originally posted by hanlong:

get off AT forgotten :D

BUT WHAT WILL I DO WHEN I CAN'T SLEEP

Originally posted by anoniem:

joining a PUBLIC ee channel is following you? You aren't that important, plus I was following PG.

I have people in LaF that does all the 'useful' things. I just do random things.

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anoniem

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Feb 28th 2012, 23:45:23

locket, again, proving why he's a fluffing ape with an internet connection.

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anoniem

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Feb 28th 2012, 23:46:25

locket, again, proving why he's a fluffing ape with an internet connection.
+2

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hanlong

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Feb 29th 2012, 0:51:41

Originally posted by hanlong:

Originally posted by BattleKJ:

Originally posted by Forgotten:

Evo's top 10's etc considering we were a fair bit smaller than LaF for ages is quite nice.

cool

blahblahblah

Don Hanlong
Don of La Famiglia

locket

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Feb 29th 2012, 0:52:40

Originally posted by anoniem:

locket, again, proving why he's a fluffing ape with an internet connection.
+2

Man if only apes were the only company online. People like you being off of it would make it much more pleasant :) Thanks for double posting about me though. Is that stalking? Seems you guys love to throw that crap around a lot. GJ being a hFR though!

anoniem

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Feb 29th 2012, 0:52:52

ah dinnae ken

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locket

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Feb 29th 2012, 0:54:45

Originally posted by anoniem:

ah dinnae ken

Must have alerts or be watching for me! OMGZ

hanlong

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Feb 29th 2012, 1:19:57

Originally posted by hanlong:

Originally posted by BattleKJ:

Originally posted by Forgotten:

Evo's top 10's etc considering we were a fair bit smaller than LaF for ages is quite nice.

cool

blahblahblah

cool story bros

Don Hanlong
Don of La Famiglia

bertz

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Feb 29th 2012, 3:51:15

What's wrong with Evo/LaF thread? We love to hate each other.

anoniem

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Feb 29th 2012, 9:38:03

Originally posted by locket:

Originally posted by anoniem:

ah dinnae ken

Must have alerts or be watching for me! OMGZ

actually i was replying to hanlong's blahblahblah.

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Atryn

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Feb 29th 2012, 17:30:08

Forgotten: Here is another challenge (not trying to make more work, actually interested)...

How many of those t10 or t5 finishes for LaF were done by new members who joined LaF after EE started up and who had never had a t10 or t5 finish before?

The reason I'm asking, is because at the end you assert that LaF can teach new players (or players who tag over) how to be #1. I want to know if that has actually happened, or is it the same (awesome, btw) LaF players always getting those finishes while new LaF members just fill out the tag and get more "average" NW finishes?

That would measure "teaching" done by LaF, which could then be compared to "teaching" done by EVO.

Chewi

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Feb 29th 2012, 18:44:11

Forgotten got taught to finish top 10!

LaFinglolrik

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Feb 29th 2012, 18:53:40

yeah im taught to 2 top 10s

locket

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Feb 29th 2012, 19:18:01

I got a top ten Atryn. I had never even been close before joining Laf. Forgotten himself is another one of those.

Forgotten

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Feb 29th 2012, 21:18:42

I have never finished above 40m in E2025, i played since the tag system started.

i was in a mini netgain tag that, well, just had to do retals all day and night.

I joined LaF in EE, first netting set, I finished 11th, in set #2. I got a t10 a couple sets later.

There have been recruits that are totally new to this game, and have successfully LEARNED to get to 160m finish themselves within the first 3 sets. I'm sure they are on their way to t10 finishes in time.

Also, SPAM.

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Trife

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Feb 29th 2012, 21:22:05

It's common knowledge that Forgotten can't netgain his way out of a wet paper bag

Forgotten

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Feb 29th 2012, 23:11:23

Yah Trife, that was when YOU TAUGHT ME HOW TO NET.

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hanlong

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Mar 1st 2012, 1:07:54

*puts forgotten back into his wet paper bag*

and atyrn, you are free to join LaF and see for yourself if you want to learn how to place t10 =)

Don Hanlong
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bertz

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Mar 1st 2012, 3:34:59

Join Evo and have a spoon fed strat!
The best idiot-guide to top100 country for EE.

NukEvil

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Mar 1st 2012, 13:36:20

I joined EVO and placed top10 like 2 weeks later.

Then, 5 weeks later, the reset ended and I barely placed top100.

locket

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Mar 1st 2012, 20:27:50

At least you had bragging rights for a little bit! ;)

anoniem

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Mar 1st 2012, 22:24:20

lol, i remember that feeling back when i started playing this game.
being a commie indy for the first week or so felt amazing, and then u'd get farmed by the big TTRs as they started to outgrow/produce u!

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