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Tertius Game profile

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Sep 26th 2011, 19:10:25

Could you have someone contact me? I PM'd Trife but he hasn't read it, and since I am now dead, I didn't get any responses you may have sent in game. Thanks!

BobbyATA Game profile

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Sep 26th 2011, 19:38:47

how is their killing you not ocmpletely justified?

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Sep 26th 2011, 20:54:33

1) I retalled the guy originally within their 72 hour window, sent him a message explaining and wishing him well, and then he RoR'd twice. As he did not respond to messages and was not following his alliance's own retal policies, I needed to take what little action I could as I expected more hits when his troops got home.

2) I did not suicide on the alliance when it would have been easier than targeting the one person who deserved it.

3) I thought it was typical when a member of an alliance breaks their own rules against an untag, that the offending player is more or less "on their own" as it is not a policy the alliance upholds. Seeing as how I kept my retaliation to the offending country, I don't see why I should be killed for his poor behavior. This is something that Evo does for example: if you farm an untag, then don't complain when they AB or missile you, just grab smarter next time.

4) I made no threats and even spoke to a few of the other LCN guys who hit me. We were friendly and things were not escalating; I was obviously not a threat to LCN as a whole.


Mainly, I just wanted to know whether my assumption of 3) for LCN's policies was incorrect for future reference and as a side topic, to know whether the offending player would at least be verbally chastised for hitting an untag with 25M jets and decent stock knowing he could be retal'd and then of course the bigger issue of the RoR's which easily could have led to a grabbing spree/suicide of all of LCN (which I chose not to do). Having a poor grabber ruin the set for other members of LCN certainly seems like it could be an issue.

Typically, if an untag starts making grabs on non-attacking members and sends threatening messages in game or on irc then there can be reason for preemptive killing, but if alliances are going to have kill first policies when untags are only defending themselves from farming then why should any untag not preemptively suicide on the offending alliance? It's these types of policies that I would like to see curtailed, not because an untag necessarily has any "rights" but because untag suiciding is an issue that exists in this game, and these policies certainly aren't helping.


tl;dr summary

life goes on. If you didn't read, you probably don't care about the summary anyways.

Kyatoru Game profile

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Sep 26th 2011, 21:05:53

Join KSF and not have to worry about this kind of stuff.

+Kya

Son Goku Game profile

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Sep 26th 2011, 21:25:59

Untagged countries have no rights in an alliance server.

How it's always been.

Tertius Game profile

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Sep 26th 2011, 21:29:15

Originally posted by Tertius:
It's these types of policies that I would like to see curtailed, not because an untag necessarily has any "rights" but because untag suiciding is an issue that exists in this game, and these policies certainly aren't helping.

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Sep 26th 2011, 21:30:19

not every untagged has been killed at alliance, some of them even reached quite high nw (yea i know those were vet players and well known).
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INVINCIBLE IRONMAN Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 0:31:45

As an experienced player you know very well as untagged you have no rights.
I have no idea what went down with Evo that is your business.
That being said I am not crazy about the choices Shoagie made.

BobbyATA Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 4:18:56

Tertius I didn't really read your whole summary I get that RoR occurred but whatever the reason if an untagged launches 15+ chems against a clan, I'm figuring that clan is gonna kill the untagged. You kinda had to see that coming...

Trife Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 5:14:53

pretty sure no alliance accepts missiles as retals on a RoR. especially an alliance that has alot of missiles and is bored.

the more important question is:

why are you playing alliance server without an alliance? perhaps primary server would be a better fit for you?

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Sep 27th 2011, 5:38:28

Well, bobby, if you're not going to read my summary then why continue to respond? Of course I saw it coming, which is why I did send all of my missiles, but the point is that I didn't send it against a clan, I sent it against one player who didn't follow the retal policy set forth by his alliance.

So the issue is whether or not alliances will kill an untag to defend one member who is breaking the rules of said alliance. As stated before, I am under the impression that most alliances would say if you want to make risky grabs and farm players, then have at it, but do so at your own risk. Evo is like this: some of the players that farm make risky grabs and get a few missiles or ABs in return. They know it is a part of the game, shrug it off, make amends, and then move on with the set.

If the alliance is bored and wants to kill an untag, that's one thing, but in general, the offending player has risked the entire clan's safety by poor grabbing and then the clan must waste resources to clean up his mess. Furthermore, it can open the clan up to future retaliatory suicides. It seems like a poor policy all around, but I guess if that's the way LCN wants to handle it, then that's all I was looking to know here.


I had an alliance, but I missed many weeks of turns and chose to detag; after a few more inactive days I noticed I was attacked and then retal'd accordingly. I honestly didn't think anyone would hit someone with 25M jets, 25+ missiles, and decent stock. I guess LCN wasn't really going for a netting set so it doesn't really matter too much anyways.

lenshark Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 5:48:29

nah tert, ya know what. i have a feeling an alliance *cough*laf*cough* insinuated the killing on your country.



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sigma Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 5:59:18

I think there is one alliance out there who accepts missile retals so long as its not a nuke.

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Sep 27th 2011, 12:56:38

From what I see in the news it looks like this.

Sep 21/11 11:07:38 PM PS ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) A Beautiful Evil (#636) () 2686 A (+1288 A)

Sep 24/11 12:53:54 PM PS A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 6178 A (+2937 A)

Than the RoR 2 times

Sep 24/11 1:32:01 PM PS ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) A Beautiful Evil (#636) () 5165 A (+2073 A)

Sep 24/11 1:31:28 PM SS ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) A Beautiful Evil (#636) () 3809 A (+1524 A)

If this happened where Shoguns RoR'ed 2 times, this is far from saying Shoguns was farming you.

Tertius if looks like you know how to get ahold of LCN from how you started this post however did you ever try to contact them after this (like any other clan would have done) since your arguement is since I'm an untagged player they killed me. Or did you just simply do this

Sep 25/11 12:50:12 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 46638 C/443 B
Sep 25/11 12:42:24 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1354 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:23 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1425 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:22 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1501 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:20 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1580 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:19 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1663 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:16 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1750 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:16 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1842 A
Sep 25/11 12:42:13 PM NM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 1939 A
Sep 25/11 12:37:04 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 250049 MU
Sep 25/11 12:37:02 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 252575 MU
Sep 25/11 12:37:01 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 255126 MU
Sep 25/11 12:36:56 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 257702 MU
Sep 25/11 12:36:52 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 260305 MU
Sep 25/11 12:36:50 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) Defence Held
Sep 25/11 12:36:49 PM EM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 262935 MU
Sep 25/11 12:36:35 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 47742 C/884 B
Sep 25/11 12:36:32 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) Defence Held
Sep 25/11 12:36:31 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 54875 C/920 B
Sep 25/11 12:36:30 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 63075 C/959 B
Sep 25/11 12:36:11 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 72500 C/998 B
Sep 25/11 12:36:09 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 83333 C/1040 B
Sep 25/11 12:36:07 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 95786 C/1082 B
Sep 25/11 12:36:05 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) Defence Held
Sep 25/11 12:36:02 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 110098 C/1127 B
Sep 25/11 12:35:58 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) Defence Held
Sep 25/11 12:35:55 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 126270 C/1175 B
Sep 25/11 12:35:48 PM CM A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 123855 C/1225 B
Sep 25/11 12:35:08 PM PS A Beautiful Evil (#636) () ShogunsLand (#875) (LCNostra) 6945 A (+2633 A)

Just from looking at the news, if any tagged members of any clan did this they would probably be killed by that clan regardless of which clan it was. ESPECIALLY if it is an UNTAGGED. Tertius sorry you got killed but had you at least tried to contact LCN, I maybe on yourside here. Also If you had contacted LCN, from what I here they are reasonalbe players and they may have allowed you to retal all your hits and let shogun know not to retal. MAYBE even some reps. REPS would have been a long stretch but WHO knows.





Edited By: Hello on Sep 27th 2011, 13:03:50
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Alana Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 13:49:13

Hello, nice post!
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Sep 27th 2011, 14:19:08

Alana should stop spamming!:P
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Trife Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 15:00:34

don't get me wrong - our guy RoRed and was owed additional hits.. you had the jets, why didn't you just retal normally?

our country didn't retal according to LCN's policies, but you kinda brought the death of your country by retalling with missiles, especially when you had the means to retal him normally.

i guarantee you girl scout cookies that Evo would've done the exact same thing given the same circumstances

if you would've come to us, deci or I would've happily granted you plenty of retals - but you kinda forced our hands when you used the launch codes :(

Trife Game profile

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Sep 27th 2011, 15:01:10

and yes alana is a dirteh spammah!

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Sep 27th 2011, 15:14:26

/me wants to know why sof gets off scot free

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Sep 27th 2011, 15:18:39

When you attack a member of an alliance, you're attacking the alliance. That is the essence of the alliance server.
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Trife Game profile

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Sep 29th 2011, 15:42:03

any reason why you didn't just retal his RoR's normally since you had the jets?

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Sep 29th 2011, 18:03:54

damn Alana!



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Tertius Game profile

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Sep 29th 2011, 18:22:01

@Trife A couple reasons actually. One issue is that after he RoR'd he bought up, and I didn't quite have enough jets to SS but could easily PS him (I had way more jets than defense), so I knew he would just continue to double tap me every time. Another reason is that I was already fat as hell. After hitting him, I had 45k acres, and as I was techer, that meant I had 15k acres of unbuilt land and a lot more non-labs. I wasn't really playing this set and didn't have enough stock to make a conversion so more hits would not have benefited me anyways. The biggest reason really is that I have been mostly inactive and can really only play on the weekend, so I figured rather than get into a land-trading war that would give me too much land (and him even more) and spending time I didn't have, I'd just do it all in one go.

I agree that very few alliances accept missiles as retals, and even then probably not how many I sent, but as an untag with no rights, I needed to send them all or lose them to disarming or being killed before my next log in. I'm not sad that you killed me; I do understand it, but it just seems contrary to the alliance policies I'm used to.


tl;dr

I could never win out trading hits as I didn't have a viable economy and would only be able to hit him once every few days, so the missiles were my best option to "teach him a lesson." Hopefully he got the message. No hard feelings, I just believe that if a player is dumb and gets himself into trouble from poor choices then he deserves what he gets.

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Sep 29th 2011, 20:03:28

Tertius, and that is the key difference from being in a tag and not being in a tag. You dont have the kind of power that a fully tagged and reconized alliance has.

You deserved to die. The fact that you were willing to fire off missiles like that at a country shows us that you even deserved to die as soon as your country was created since you represent yourself.

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Sep 29th 2011, 20:34:53

Terius, you should have expected to get killed. Playing untagged in alliance is pointless without being in a clan.
Ya, tho i walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I shall fear no retals,
Cause i have the biggest, baddest, and toughest country in the valley!

ArsenalMD Game profile

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Sep 30th 2011, 12:28:56

Is there any reason why I should read this thread?

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Sep 30th 2011, 12:34:31

Originally posted by lenshark:
nah tert, ya know what. i have a feeling an alliance *cough*laf*cough* insinuated the killing on your country.



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LaF's policy is that if you initiate contact with an untagged, you are on your own. If that untagged retals someone other than the person who attacked them, then we might kill it. But as long as an untagged retals only the people who attacked them first, we don't object to them retalling, even with missiles, special attacks, or hostile spy ops.

We may grab untaggeds more than anyone else, but we do allow them to retal, including allowing them to retal with missiles. That's more than can be said for basically every other alliance on this server.

Tertius should know that. He should know that most alliances are much meaner than LaF, and they will indeed kill him for retalling.

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Sep 30th 2011, 15:20:42

Originally posted by ArsenalMD:
Is there any reason why I should read this thread?


no. too many big words.

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Sep 30th 2011, 15:29:46

lenshark, i took a lot of acres out of LaF with my country and they not only invited me to play with them but said they wouldnt even threaten to kill me for taking a rightful retal on them.
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Sep 30th 2011, 18:38:41

@Rockman, Evo also has a similar policy. I thought it was typical for alliances to allow untags to retal as they see fit as long as it is only against the offending member. It is the better policy for ingratiating an untag against future suicide missions and protects those who did not instigate the attacks.

I also think that lens was saying something completely different then how people have responded so far, but that's up to him if he wants to clarify.