Doesn't the Tigress do all the hunting and killing anyway?

i will borrow this thread to post .... to get the bonus turn. is it ok ?

thats a ridiculous move.. LaF didnt farm him at all. Intentions are clear.. Moderators from the game shouldn't have the right to be at the source of anti-'any alliance' post.. it starts to lack of serious guys. Let's go on with our old grudges and fluff the recruitment of new players.

I just got home from a long drive and logged into a bunch of messages about this fluff.... I guess it's because I'm an admin, a former LaFfer and someone who doesn't like to see people's playing experience ruined. This really isn't an admin issue, mod issue or any of that... it's an ingame issue for the parties involved to work out.

I'm disappointed to see anyone choose to spend his or her time playing with the indention to suicide... that's not unique to spawn, as I want to see everyone play to build themselves up rather than tear others down... or at least tear others down in a more enjoyable way :p

Spawn... you seem like you have a lot of anger still over the fist stuff. I have a suggestion for you: http://www.boxcarhosting.com/...start.php?clanID=Paradigm
PDM would probably be the best fit for you at this point. You both have major longstanding issues with the same alliances and PDM would likely enjoy having another veteran leader in their ranks. Why not take this chance to put your energy towards making PDM stronger and work to build something new to bring the other fist'ers back to. There's already a great core of players/leaders in PDM, sometimes adding another seasoned vet to a mix like that can help bring an alliance to new heights.

maybe if laf wasnt farmers, they wouldnt spawn reactions like that

Pang you got this all wrong! Spawn should join LaF and then destroy then from the inside! Your influence can spread through their ranks like herpes!

seems like just another case of risk and reward on the alliance server... you hit somebody 3-4 times and hope they dont get revenge on you and your friends, when it happens you dont whine about it you move on. Its one person with one country, why all the fuss?

Because he had to create a thread to brag about how he suicided on alliance for farming him by hitting him once April 10, once April 16, twice April 17, and once April 18. And even though he had enough tanks to AB any of the countries that hit him, he instead chose a random country to suicide on.

And he's a game moderator who is trying to work himself out of a job by attempting to increase the rate at which players leave the game. When moderators suicide unprovoked on people's countries, you know they really don't like their job.

he made a funny!!! im framing this fluff

I don't think Paulie has read what his own alliance's policy towards untaggeds is.

He doesn't mod the alliance server stop crying.

Though I have to say that was the lamest suicide ever.

I'm putting this in my sig if that's ok ;)

What? I thought you felt that untaggeds should take revenge against the alliances that grab them in any way they see fit? How did we get from that to "unprovoked suicide"?

The fact that Spawn moderates on Express is about as relevant as his post count, so you can cut out the trolling.

now now pang. we've made a genuine effort to set our issues aside with LaF this set. so far as I know, apart from one guy who's right on the border of being booted because he keeps grabbing allies through refusing to check the embassy, we've had no dramas with LaF at al this set, and we'd like to keep it that way.

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Spawn grow up dude. 4 hits in like 9 days as an untagged is nowhere near farming. Retal or don't play untagged. Thats not even borderline justification for suiciding either. Should WoF have suicided PDM for the hits they did on them? Sheeesh. Stop trying to claim a moral highground. Just because clans like Evo Laf or Sof/Sol are involved in an incident does not implicitly mean that they are wrong as it seems to always be the case. Long story short. Grow up. Stop acting ignorant and join a clan with your ideals.

Oh and you are clearly terrible at this game judging by the hits you have done.

locket I'm sure I can arrange something for laf if you feel like you haven't been suicided properly!

No I am sure he has done a thorough job.

either that locket or i wasnt planning on suiciding with my GDI (gdi bonus), switching to labs, theo country to begin with

I don't consider an untagged getting hit 4 times in 72 hours to be farming. If we want to discourage farming of untaggeds & retalling their retals, then one should punish those actions. His country was not farmed, nor did LaF retal his retals, and the countries he hit did not engage in that either.

Untaggeds who suicide in "preemptive retaliation" the way Spawn did encourage alliances to use "preemptive kill runs" on untaggeds. If you suicide on an alliance in response to farming or retalling of retals, thats very different.

Spawn did not suicide as a result of the actions of LaF towards his country, he created his country with the specific intention of suiciding on LaF. That is why it is unprovoked.

I believe in untaggeds using whatever retal policy they want in response to being farmed/killed, but not for them to use preemptive retals. Suiciding in response penalizes alliances for their actions. Suiciding before they do anything wrong encourages alliances to mistreat untaggeds because there's no reason for alliances to treat them reasonably.

The key as an untagged is to act in a manor that encourages and rewards alliances for being reasonable. Spawn's actions had the opposite effect.

I finally agree with every word Detmer said.

Oh and Spawn, I notice you have 3-4 dead countries a reset ever since you and Fist quit. Including one that was an obvious intentional suicider using the xRDx tag.

I like Pang.

Well, Pang's recent posts make it kind of relevant. Spawn's timing is ... unfortunate as Pang is campaigning to reduce suiciding in the alliance game.

slag is right, the fact spawn is a moderator on a different server is not relevant.

And rockman's point is absurd. LaF had the game admin playing in their tag for a long period of time, whilst they were actively running players from the alliance server through farming...

ridiculous.

Pang, I just don't get how you can stick up for the 'guys with half a foot out the door' while when they're not getting suicided on they're farming as many players as possible and 'ruining' it for those players.

Surely you can't have it both ways? Either (a) you support untagged farming (on this server, I support this, it is alliance after all) and you cop the good with the bad of the odd suicider, or (b) you change the game to discourage suiciding even more while making it harder for members of established alliances to farm untaggeds.

You just can't say 'youre ruining the game for others' to a suicider without saying it to the 10 guys who farmed him. Suiciding is a part of alliance, can't have it both ways.

I missed you hanlong, welcome back, I thought you quited :*(.



Honestly Pang, I can't see why you aren't allowed to play with Laf if you keep your administration neutral. It pains me to see you going down the Mickster path. It seems to me you want to, and if you can be neutral in your other roles, I don't see the problem. Some of your views will be laf-centric regardless of whether you are actively in laf or not. I think you got a bit of a hard time in the past because you had some difficulty seperating the perspectives. Though its unfair if you love a clan and are not allowed to play in it.

Pang hasn't played a country in LaF for the past 2 resets.

just fyi

mmm I thought my posts on this topic were pretty clear -- there are times and places when you want to have the ability to cause harm to an enemy country for things it did to you. But I don't like seeing people's hard work go to waste when they didn't even do anything to a suicider (such as with this issue) and there are other more positive ways that everyone could be spending their playing time.

Also, this isn't something new either -- I've was looking to curb suiciding well before EE even existed. Maybe everyone just forgot. :)
There's better ways that everyone can accomplish their goals compared to suiciding (at least most of the time) and that's generally what I'm looking at getting across :p

i completely support this effort

though i think it can be done with policy too as discussed in the sof thread

What? That's never been a problem I've had. It's just been folks like you who don't want to believe there is a divide to keep pushing it. You guys are like the "birthers" against Obama at this point.
Also, don't forget that I'm as much as SoL'er as I am a LaF'er. :)

If you play untagged, you expect to be farmed. This is an alliance server, there's little reason to play without an alliance, and no reason to play without an alliance and to take exception to being farmed. I've played as untagged, I've been farmed by LaF, its part of what you expect.

Ya, I gotta agree with Rockman.

And to be perfectly honest, DL, my influence on LaF likely made them hit less than if I hadn't been there.

PS. take my survey and send it to your friends ;p

And if your alliance steps the boundaries of what is acceptable, than others in the alliance may suffer the consequences. When we had a guy drop tag, and suicide on LaF---it cost all of us by paying reps to LaF. So the way I see it, if you are in an alliance---and your fellow clanmates farm, you should be prepared to make your country an unattractive candidate for retribution, or try to curb the amount of farming that takes place.

The problem will persist though as long as clans continue the retal policies that are in place.

To continue off of what Rockman said. It goes without saying to anyone that has played this game half as long as spawn that if you play "untagged" you will be farmed. If what has been said on this thread is true, I'm shocked that he was only hit 4 times in 9 days especially by LaF/Evo (no offense). Hell even in the wiki it says if you play without a tag, you will be farmed. http://wiki.earthempires.com/...hp/Choosing_a_game_server

Lets call a spade a spade here, you were playing to suicide. Going into the reset your intended target may not have been LaF but you didn't plan on netting all reset long. In fact this is the third reset in a row you have suicided, grow a pair and be honest about your actions. I also notice you lied to me about how you'd only suicide us once last reset for killing you 'unprovoked' (not that I mind, but I'd at least respect your doucheness if you were upfront about it).

As far as the moderator thing goes, IMO it is completely relevant when a moderator is acting like a *I'll save you the edit* in game.

provoking rockman is so easy!:p

don't hate! procreate!

Trollllloc!^ :P

why are people quoting my posts and then not discussing what is actually said in the post? :-/

I didn't say anything about forcing people to join an alliance or be farmed or that anyone who is suicided on is an innocent victim... curbing suiciding != stopping people from being able to suicide, it's about creating conditions that make throwing your country away to harm someone else unnecessary.

I always said that AT'ers are better than folks on CNN.com or NFL.com, but I think I may have to take that back soon if this trend continues :|

So your saying if I do not join an alliance I will be killed?

;-)

Reckless failed at trolling? :P

only if you get too big for your britches and decide to retal :p

--- ^^^ I have proof ;D

lolcopter @ locket.

rockman is a good kid.

his answer was well worded and left my speechless at his civility!:p

if i was less lazy i would add a pang quote in here.

p.s. will do survey i promise.

/me runs from survey!