retal policies that have top feeds in them are absolutely retarded.

Just sayin.

Hitting someone who can farm you, and expecting them not to, is retarded.

The problem is that the definition of topfeeds is different to what it used to be. Also every clan defines them differently but now basically all boil down to:

When a country landgrabs a country where the other country would have to put in effort to get the land back.

The word topfeed doesn't even make sense anymore, you can have more land and networth and it can still be a topfeed.

the simple definition is grabbing a country that wont be able to get its land back in the normally allowed retals

and i have to agree with rockman

That.

Then whats the point to grabbing someone if they are going to be able to get there land back every single time? It nulls and voids the entire point to grabbing.

actually, with ghost acres, it doesn't.
and it's not about not getting *any* land gains, but far and beyond what is "reasonable"
as with anything else, you're welcome to enforce a no-topfeed-in-our-retal-policy policy, but you'll have to back it up, and i'm guessing that won't fly with 90% of the currently established alliances.

you grab people in tags that cant break you at all and/or tags that are unable to enforce their policies against yours

being intentionally landthin and topfeeding people in major alliances is not skillful and deserves to have a counter

Paradigm's definition of a "topfeed" is the best one.

Or you could grab them and use their policy as a part of your game. There is no one else to grab, so we need to start grabbing each other.

I agree with your original post koon, but I usually get people mad at me when I do that.

Yes, but our server frowns upon grabbing someone who has agreed to let you grab them.

It is only permissible to grab another country if you wish to harm their country, not if you wish to exchange land with them and mutually benefit. Why is it, that on an alliance server, we have outlawed working cooperatively for the benefit of everyone involved?

I'd say because it makes it look like we are giving up on the competitive aspect of the game.

as h4x said, once competition is removed, all we're doing is playing single play calculator

So what if I take 2500 acres in 1 turn its my country no!

It would be pretty cool, if for a reset, all civilian kills were removed. I think there would be some pretty fierce and interesting land/ab-wars. (we'd need to regain 40 civs with 0 civs just to prevent silly things for cashers etc.)

Seriously, I think this would benefit the alliance game. There is no "gain" from warring now except to prove that you can kill someone. I.e. you can gain meta-points, diplomatic power, status, etc. But you don't gain anything in-game most of the time (your enemy must be so much weaker it's not an interesting conflict anyway), instead you will usually get horrendous in-game score if you war. Why is it so? Shouldn't the game reward aggressive alliance attacks as well or even better than bottom feeding?

So I propose removing the following for one reset and see what happens:
- Civ deaths
- Nukes
- Ability to drop land

Let the land grabbing commence ;)

Not everyone is equally skilled at exploring, and thats about as simple as it gets. But somehow, some people do better than others.

So if we did land-trading, which is far more complex than exploring, why are people naive enough to think that land-trading will get rid of competition?

Are people scared that they will have to learn a new play style, and may not be as skilled at this play style as they are with the current play style forced upon us by the politics of this server?

There is no competitive aspect to alliance any more.

Buy playing a country that land grabs for land, sure you run the risk of getting retalled, so you make your grabs count to make sure you always come out on top. If you play a country that explores, you run a greater risk of getting grabbed, so just get some Defense and stop being a care bear.

The real definition of topfeed is to start a war. I'll topfeed you and if you rant in AT I'm gonna FS you.

maybe bad players should stop being cry babies. I think that would solve the problem.

Yet you're crying about top feeding. Speaking of bad players what is your excuse for having less land than all-x players?

Wharfed --

Talk to me in private if there is an issue. I'm not going to handle intra clan issues on AT.

this is true; if you need to topfeed, it means - by definition - that you're "not as good" as whomever you're topfeeding :))

I miss Land:Land retals

I agree top feeding is retarded, should be land land for the person hit only, you can't defend it sucks for you

Who made this thread?

Also, you are aware that the game gives the advantage to the attacker right? Jets cheaper than turrets, more offensive allies than defensive, PS bonus...

Let's each make a 2nd country next set, in established tags, not allied to our real country in any way (pang or any other mod/admin could be in on this). Your goal is to go the entire reset without me successfully grabbing you. Can you do it or are you bad?

I top fed RD once, they killed me. No the 3k+ acres were not worth it. =)

mehthe prob is qz under some of the topfeed definitions out there.

A good grab against a fat country that is low NW is considered a topfeed and retalled by some land thin retaller, bad for game, no competition.

Or in laf's case, retalled by a big fat large country that gets rubbish returns so they "claim" it is a "topfeed" and proceed to maul you. They should instead just be honest and maul you straight up for LG'ing them ;-)

just do it how IMP does it "we dont reconize the word topfeed....its tabooo....." so if i got a 3mil nw on 6k acers and u got a 2.5 mil nw on 15k acers and i hit u u make out on L:L its a stupid policy.....topfeed should be hittin ne counmtry 150% more then ur nw not land......thats a friggin topfeed.....and u guys wonder why allance server is going down hill.....ive been playing since 1999 topfeed crap is bull plain n simple

:D

coming from the guy that encouraged rage to fs because you couldnt retal me.

That'd be a better policy if you didn't have 10k acre 12 mil networth countries hitting 15k acre 9 mil networth all-explore countries on that server. When going all-explore means that you outgrow everyone else, that means the server has already gone much farther downhill than alliance.

lol i am lost here.. complaining about getting hit back?