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h2orich

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Nov 21st 2013, 13:37:51

<Market> Nov/21/2013 13:28:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000 -- SO: Yes
<Market> Nov/21/2013 13:28:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 999,000 -- SO: Yes

CX LaE

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Nov 21st 2013, 16:11:32

I've always wondered who that was.
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blid

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Nov 21st 2013, 17:18:48

Originally posted by h2orich:
<Market> Nov/21/2013 13:28:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000 -- SO: Yes
<Market> Nov/21/2013 13:28:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 999,000 -- SO: Yes
1,000,000 barrels * $40 profit for private market resale = $40m free money for your start up. Of course you need over $20m cash onhand already to buy it all by SO, but that definitely looks like cheating. The catch is that it'd be rational for EVERYONE to have SOs around $50-55 for oil barrels so it's hard to know for sure if the person who bought the barrels was cheating. The obvious solution besides looking into the account owners here is setting the oil autosale price at $60.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

CX LaE

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Nov 21st 2013, 18:01:00

I've been the beneficiary of $21 oil before. Caught 3m barrels at that price and resold over $180. Of course, that was shear chance, but this seems to happen every set. Someone is always selling super low for some reason.
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eddie_wire

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Nov 21st 2013, 21:10:32

I put a standing order on for 1000 in hope, obviously not the inteded recipient of such oil prices though as you can see from whoever got the 999,000. This does happen every set though hence i put the order in hoping id catch some.

Originally posted by blid:
Originally posted by h2orich:
<Market> Nov/21/2013 13:28:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 1,000 -- SO: Yes
<Market> Nov/21/2013 13:28:00 -- Barrels -- $21 -- 999,000 -- SO: Yes
The obvious solution besides looking into the account owners here is setting the oil autosale price at $60.


This seems like a good idea, any reason its not been implemented?

h2orich

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Nov 22nd 2013, 2:02:43

Originally posted by CX LaE:
I've been the beneficiary of $21 oil before. Caught 3m barrels at that price and resold over $180. Of course, that was shear chance, but this seems to happen every set. Someone is always selling super low for some reason.


Reason you got the oil was bad coordination between players/friends for market buyout.

st0ny

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Nov 22nd 2013, 5:37:40

i think its pretty obvious this set that there are some players doing buyouts.
Originally posted by LATC:
"Don't complain. Assess & adjust."


CX LaE

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Nov 22nd 2013, 5:58:54

h20 -- yes, you're correct.
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TDA101

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Nov 22nd 2013, 6:38:43

Maybe the market should buyout oil for less than say $50.

h2orich

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Nov 22nd 2013, 8:16:28

Originally posted by TDA101:
Maybe the market should buyout oil for less than say $50.


why not 60? a demo that buys oil at $50 and resell on his private at $60 is gonna make $10 / barrel still.

TDA101

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Nov 22nd 2013, 13:13:32

Other Goverment's don't buy oil for $60 though. They buy it at market price * 1.06 or a commie at * 1.1

That would be leave the price at 54 then.

Alin

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Nov 24th 2013, 23:39:15

20 minutes until sets ends and there is some 60k tech priced @ 9383.

I see only one reason someone will place some tech at that price...

Alin

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Nov 24th 2013, 23:43:49

24k now - freaking cheaters.

deepcode

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Nov 24th 2013, 23:50:14

lol

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:02:48

well i am done with express - i mean serious netting. However blid and a few others are free to contact me with the country numbers that are current/ past cheaters.

This server doesn't worth my effort.

st0ny

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:12:04

<Market>: Nov/24/2013 23:42:34 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 12,546 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 53,179 Business
<Market>: Nov/24/2013 23:42:59 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 28,685 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 24,494 Business
<Market>: Nov/24/2013 23:43:37 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 547 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 23,947 Business
<Market>: Nov/24/2013 23:45:14 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 118 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 23,829 Business
<Market>: Nov/24/2013 23:48:30 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 23,829 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 0 Business

total sale after deducting 6% market comm = $579,695,814.5

WOW!


Edited By: st0ny on Nov 25th 2013, 8:53:43
See Original Post
Originally posted by LATC:
"Don't complain. Assess & adjust."


blid

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:14:27

thats messed up
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cable

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:16:59

Love the market cohesion in this game

blid

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:17:50

is this something that mods can look at and see who sold it and who bought it? if they care about cheating i think they should look at this, guess ill pm martian an dsee
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:25:33

Originally posted by Alin:
well i am done with express - i mean serious netting. However blid and a few others are free to contact me with the country numbers that are current/ past cheaters.

This server doesn't worth my effort.


Lulz. Express server is still on my blacklist of servers not to play on since March of last year. The server is too fast, too hectic, population too small, and moderation too slow for there to be any serious gameplay competition.

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 0:50:54

I can bet that, if i`ll just name 5 players from express - and somehow the mods look into it and expose it, i`ll hit the mother-load.

blid

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Nov 25th 2013, 1:04:15

well h2o's country was #37, he quit netting and fought, so he would have no reason to do something like this. no reason to do this unless you're competing for the top or you're just a newb cheating to improve your newb score.
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Nov 25th 2013, 1:48:44

I'm always guilty unless proven otherwise.

thoma51987

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Nov 25th 2013, 5:22:57

wth

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 7:09:43

Well the oil cheat + the tech cheat could have always make the difference in the top. I am sure this was top 10 related and i can rule out some countries out of there, ( i know 100% they didn't do that ).

blid

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Nov 25th 2013, 12:49:24

how can you know 100%? anyway, selling that much tech for $9000+ is flagrant cheating. there's clearly no reason to ever buy $9000 tech, and you can't even claim it was a monster newb who did it on account of monster newbs don't have that kind of money to throw around. you can't even call it an accident like someone didn't notice the price because it wasn't bought all at once either, it was bought over a few purchases. so anyway what we have here is obvious cheating that's open for everyone to see, and so the question is if the mods are interested in that or not. my own theory is still that it was some dumbass who finished 25th and would have finished 30th, but i can't rule anyone out 100% except myself because how can i know anyone else for sure
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:17:37

I know my tech allies didn`t do that ( 2 of them are top ) because they didn`t had 65k left to sale at the end of the reset.

I can also rule out a lot of top 20 because they never made a 500 mil cash jump in the last 20 minutes.

I also have a hunch on who did that. But that`s latter to discuss. Anyway i am curious to find who is cheating on the market. I`ve just checked express all time records - when you have a cheater like smlandau84 ranked 1 as "top 3 finishes" you know this server is kinda "out of control".

h2orich

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:22:17

[07:31:33] <Market> Nov/24/2013 23:31:33 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 65,725 -- Asking: $100 -- Trend: UP (was $0)
[07:42:35] <Market> Nov/24/2013 23:42:34 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 12,546 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 53,179 Business
[07:43:00] <Market> Nov/24/2013 23:42:59 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 28,685 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 24,494 Business
[07:43:37] <Market> Nov/24/2013 23:43:37 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 547 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 23,947 Business
[07:48:33] <Market> Nov/24/2013 23:48:30 -- Business -- $9,383 -- 23,829 -- SO: No -- Remaining: 0 Business

Here are the logs for the buyout. Doesnt look that coordinated to me.
65k bus tech comes out at $9383.
Only 11 mins later then someone bought 12k. Why wait for the 11 mins? Not afraid of more tech coming in between during those point? Then the same person or another person bought 28k 30 seconds later. If its the same guy, why buy 30 seconds later? then another 30secs, buys 500 points. and 5 mins later, bought the reamaining? Looks like some noob selling his military on private to fund the buys.

To me looks like its 36 Hours Retal Window (#3) that has been getting that money. he has a nw drop of 116k during that point of time. 65,725 tech @ $ 9383 * 0.94(taxes)= 580m . Since $20,000 gives 1nw, $580m gives 29k nw. 65k tech = 130k nw. 116nw + 29k = 145k, pretty close. Well its just a guess.

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:24:12

Haha !!!

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:25:43

So in your opinion i did that and also advertise it first on the forum right h2o ?

You are a genius!!!

h2orich

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:31:19

lol. i know it wasnt you. but you're and the other theo techer is the only 2 person i checked in the t10. couldnt be bothered with the rest.. well, i said it was a guess. like i said, it was badly coordinated to mean anything actually.

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:34:52

We shall see. I am digging into this to see if i am really such a "EE detective". I have a hunch i already passed to some of my friends in express. I just hope an admin would reveal the country numbers ... just the one that sold the tech and the one that bought it ( personally i don`t need more ).

Cable

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:39:27

I'm the only other Theo techer in the top 10 and it wasn't me that did it, SO that leaves anyone who was cashing to have the kind of business tech levels to sell that much tech in one sitting.

Commies MIGHT have 180k business tech but I don't think that's a huge priorty to them compared to Strat weapons military and Indy tech.

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:41:14

h2orich

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:47:31

Well,

Thayer Academy Big Baus Award (#67)

suits the nw change better. loses 103k nw in that 10 min span. 130k nw loss from tech and gains 29k nw from money, that brings him to 101k net change.

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:48:24

:) Getafix

Cable

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Nov 25th 2013, 13:56:34

LOL wasn't GetaFix or Walls of Stalingrad because I was on the last 10 minutes watching both my allies NW closely trying to beat GetaFix but like I posted in the results page I over priced my jets and turrets over estimating players needs to market destock the last little bit. Otherwise id have been 5th.... newbish of me

Alin

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Nov 25th 2013, 14:24:48

Cable i am laughing @ Getafix youtube link - not making insinuations ... yet

Edited By: Alin on Nov 25th 2013, 14:28:00
See Original Post

Getafix

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Nov 25th 2013, 14:39:45

I think it was Red Dog, just like Elvis says

h2orich

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Nov 26th 2013, 7:51:09

Looks like CX Lae was responsile for this. I think he wanted the 30m ALL-X doable thingy.

Alin

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Nov 26th 2013, 8:02:18

That is the second time he tries to cheat me out of rank 1. First time he was successful beating my 31.5 mil Theo with a 19k land commie. I was suspicious that time too, but i said wth.

This time, he probably tried the same thing - however i am glad Viva won and not him.

Alin

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Nov 26th 2013, 8:13:11

And i told Cable and Getafix, shortly after the reset was done, that CX is doing that market fluff.
They can confirm that - if they want to.

eddie_wire

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Nov 26th 2013, 19:43:43

I can't say this surprises me at all

Vic

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Nov 26th 2013, 21:43:35

Meh ex rd? Lol.
CX played a total of 1/4 of a set in rd.

blid

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Nov 26th 2013, 21:46:52

lol
Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:
Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

crest23

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Nov 26th 2013, 22:12:27

Originally posted by Vic:
Meh ex rd? Lol.
CX played a total of 1/4 of a set in rd.


If there's anything we've learnt from Vic/Mr. Clear/whatever else alias you go by, it's not to take anything you say as intelligent, truthful, important, or worthwhile. Do not make me link the horse fluff you tried selling on the Alliance forum here. We now know not to believe anything you say.
The Nigerian Nightmare.

crest23

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Nov 26th 2013, 22:14:40

Also, as you can see, it takes a quarter of a set of playing in RD to lose your soul and be scum bag cheat.
The Nigerian Nightmare.

Alin

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Nov 26th 2013, 22:31:59

Originally posted by Vic:
Meh ex rd? Lol.
CX played a total of 1/4 of a set in rd.


stop getting whatever words i say, personal. This is just a game!

Vic

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Nov 27th 2013, 6:45:47

lol alin i didn't take it personally, i was just clarifying that cx wasn't exactly a big core of rd, nor did he complete a single set there.

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Nov 27th 2013, 18:09:40

I'd like to point out that a number of people have employed the "put tech at ridiculous prices and hope" strategy in the past, and it does, very occasionally, pay off; RED had one guy who would persistently do that, and something like 1 reset in 4 it'd pay off and he'd do really well, the rest of the time not so much...
Finally did the signature thing.