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ebola

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Oct 17th 2014, 14:50:42

Look at that, Rage getting around the new "no erly wars pact" that they signed.

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Oct 17th 2014, 14:52:30

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BladeEWG

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Oct 17th 2014, 14:58:04

Funny nick
The only one that is posting immaturely is you
You want to bicker with us on issues outside of OMA and STONES then start your own thread and we can trash talk on it.
Otherwise to use your favorite phrase from your war chats to your members STFU
Now move along, this thread has nothing else to do with you.

Now indeed there were mistakes made all over with this but sh@t happens.
I don't blame OMA for their grabbing and then trying to outrun the retals. It's smart play and from the tags that have not retal led them all the better for them.
I worked hard to be able to bust and will continue to as I can
That's the added challenge in the game that makes it interesting
By no means take this as me singing Kumbaya with OMA we're in this for the round and it should keep both our tags amused

admiralnick

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Oct 17th 2014, 16:00:46

Well played Captain Ahab, go hunt your whale.I hope you meet the same result.

Trife

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Oct 17th 2014, 16:15:34

Originally posted by ebola:

Look at that, Rage getting around the new "no erly wars pact" that they signed.

heh

Hawkster

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Oct 17th 2014, 18:44:15

Originally posted by Over The Hill:

As an outsider looking in....I'm going to tell it like it is without putting any spin on it.

Originally posted by Over The Hill:

then less than 24 hours later you make this grab on OMA:
Oct 12/14 5:12:03 PM PS VengeanceCenturion (#70) (RAGE) Sally (#304) (OMA) 335 A (+142 A)

your country had 1962 acres and the OMA country had 3787 acres prior to the grab
That is a 193% greedy topfeed attack

The Rage retal policy may not recognize topfeeds however Death Knights, Evolution, ICN, LAF, MD,Paradigm, Omega, Pinoy just to name a few Clans all have retal policies that recognize topfeeds, have definitions of what a topfeed is and retals topfeeds accordingly. They all retal topfeeds much more severely than normal landgrabs due to the greedy nature of that type of grab.

Actually Rage put a "note" attached to their topfeed policy. Even though they don't recognize topfeeds they reserve the right to retal according to the other alliance's retal policy should Rage ever be on the receiving end of such an attack.
Sorry but you can't suck and blow on this topic.

Since you were on the giving end of these 2 greedy attacks I don't expect you to recognize a topfeed but believe me and all those clans I mentioned above.....they were.

As has already been mentioned, this was actually a failed/too late retal. But I do not understand if you were trying to provide an outsiders opinion and remain neutral, why did you bring up "Topfeed" policy that neither of the two involved clans recognize?

You put a spin on it already by that point in doing this. You even said it yourself that RAGE does not recognize topfeeds, so who cares what all clans that you listed do have this in their retal policies as none of those clans were involved.

Personally I will never understand this so called Topfeed, nor this attitude about being greedy, in a war game that the point is to win. To me anyone whinging about topfeed are the ones being greedy. The ones that are expecting to not be hit by a smaller country. If they dont like it, than do not be so big, that is all part of the risk of being in top largest land acres countries. It is fine balance trying to grow and win, without being taken advantage of that growth. To try and stop that balance by whinging about it and/or creating policies against it, kinda defeats the whole purpose and challenge of the game. Where is the skill in that?

TAN

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Oct 17th 2014, 21:05:16

If you guys want, PDM can FS OMA on behalf of STONES and FS STONES on behalf of OMA. ;)

FREEEEEDOM!!!

Furious999

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Oct 17th 2014, 21:13:13

Sounds great!

And then the Early Wars thingy is triggered and everyone else fs PDM.

And then STONES and OMA change sides - because PDM gave us a nice DNH.

And then there will be the nuclear winter.

And the ants (or is it the bees, I can never remember) take over.

Good film plot, really. Except I'm not sure where Alien and Predator fit in?

KoHeartsGPA

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Oct 17th 2014, 21:31:59

Alien and Predator are busy getting it on in Antarctica...

Over The Hill

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Oct 17th 2014, 21:34:15

Originally posted by juice:

I just want to clear a little of this up:

10/13 : 6:00 pm PS Sally (#304) (OMA) VengeanceCenturion (#70) (RAGE) 89 Acres (62 Acres)
10/12 : 9:53 pm PS Sally (#304) (OMA) VengeanceCenturion (#70) (RAGE) 102 Acres (66 Acres)
10/12 : 8:42 pm PS Sally (#304) (OMA) VengeanceCenturion (#70) (RAGE) 127 Acres (71 Acres)
10/12 : 5:12 pm PS VengeanceCenturion (#70) (RAGE) Sally (#304) (OMA) 335 Acres (142 Acres)
10/11 : 8:33 pm PS VengeanceCenturion (#70) (RAGE) factory burn (#322) (OMA) 272 Acres (92 Acres)
10/9 : 3:59 pm PS Sally (#304) (OMA) The Client Success Specialist (#175) (RAGE) 85 Acres (2 Acres)
10/9 : 1:51 pm PS factory burn (#322) () The Undertaker (#44) (RAGE) 138 Acres (31 Acres)
10/9 : 1:50 pm PS factory burn (#322) () The Undertaker (#44) (RAGE) 121 Acres (27 Acres)

Blades first attack on OMA was a retal, done within the retal window. Over the Hill, you forgot to post the hits that country did on Rage prior to it tagging up with OMA.

Blades second hit was done outside of the retal window, which i believe was probably a mistake on his part and not a purposeful LG/topfeed.

Also, I believe Rage has a 72 hour retal window, unless specified by some pact agreement. Contact our FA leader for clarification.

Things spun out of control after that.

WTF are you talking about?

Factory burn(#322) 0 while untagged double tapped Rage on Oct 9/14 at 1:50:43 pm and 1:51:27pm

BladeEWG attacked Factory burn(#322) OMA on Oct 11/14 at 8:33:07 pm

That's a full 54 hrs and 42 minutes later.

According to Rage's retal policy posted on wiki......they have a 48 hr retal window. 72 hrs if the attacking country is in DRs
Factory burn(#322) wasn't in DRs therefore BladeEWG never retalled in time and his attacks are considered landgrabs,,,,,,topfeed landgrabs at that

BUTTMAN

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Oct 17th 2014, 21:46:42

Controversy!

Furious999

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Oct 17th 2014, 22:12:54

Well I see that you are right OTH. We missed that at the time.

But it is all water under the bridge.

What worries me much more is that our Minister of War says he can only get ingame by mobile over the week end. DAMN.

Now week-ends should not be allowed on Earth. I mean, where are people's priorities?

Wild parties and willing ladies are all very well BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT KILL RUN.

(mutter, mutter, grumble, grumble)

timmie

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Oct 17th 2014, 22:51:31

No kills?

Furious999

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Oct 17th 2014, 23:06:24

Not a one.

Some war!!

But this will change, I tell you. I want blood, I want to bathe in their blood. I want to bathe in their blood for a week.

Suicidal

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Oct 18th 2014, 1:29:56

Originally posted by admiralnick:

Suicidal, shove it up your ass. I thought blade was immature, it appears you keep proving it.

It's days like this that I wish folks didn't hide behind a computer being all badassed and stuff...... He was probably bullied as a child

FailDiegoFail

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Oct 18th 2014, 3:36:04

Just for clarification a 'war' between two spam tags (oma/stones) has no relevance on the EWPP. And to check that they are spam tags read the definition of a spam tag in the pact.

Also seriously Ragers chill out. Let oma/stones have their little war and blow off some steam but when its done can we please just net for one single set >.>

robyn

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Oct 18th 2014, 3:37:25

are you sure you all dont want to come to irc and fight there too? In #earthempires. That way you all will have three avenues to go at each other on a constant basis.

how much fun would that be :P

DStone Rocks

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Oct 18th 2014, 4:09:48

Valar Morghulis.

Bonus

ebola

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Oct 18th 2014, 7:15:30

Originally posted by FailDiegoFail:

Just for clarification a 'war' between two spam tags (oma/stones) has no relevance on the EWPP. And to check that they are spam tags read the definition of a spam tag in the pact.

I checked, here's your definition:
--Any alliance without formal relations to another alliance in the game
Formal relations like the one OMA has with LCN.

--Any tag under 10 members by day 7 that has not played the previous set
OMA was clearly around last reset.

Furious999

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Oct 18th 2014, 8:52:11

FDF, I am puzzled that you do not remember Rage itself enterring a relationship with OMA by way of a cooling off DNH. You were at the meeting.

We have relations of one kind or another with a number of alliances.

It is a weakness of the EWPP that people cannot easily know whether a tag meets the relationship test in the spam tag definition.

Riddler

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Oct 18th 2014, 10:27:59

Originally posted by ebola:

Look at that, Rage getting around the new "no erly wars pact" that they signed.

Rage has nothing to do with this... a couple of former Ragers disagreed with our posted retal policy etc...they left tag and well after 72 hours or was it 96 they decided to war on their own. Did we want them to leave? NO! Did we want them to do this? well no, but I'm not condemming them for wanting to war, everyone enjoys this game in their own way, some people just dont like to net...Therfore Rage has nothing to do with this "war"

elvesrus

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Oct 18th 2014, 10:38:27

best to just blame the individual members to avoid more clan hate

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

Furious999

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Oct 18th 2014, 11:51:37

Had Blade suicided, that is embarked upon the type of attacks described in the Extreme acts of War section of the EWPP

(--10+ harmful spyops made by at least one country against any single country within 24 hours

--5+ landgrabs by any country on a single tag within 48 hours*

--5+ landgrabs by any tag on a single country within 48 hours*

or, with one of his Rager friends,

--10+ special attacks (non-missile) made, by 2+ countries, against any country within 24 hours

--5+ missile attacks made, by 2 countries, against any country within 24 hours)

then it is my belief that Rage would have been obliged, if they did not wish to trigger the EWPP, either to take Blade's country down (as was at one time considered the only honourable course) or to make an offer to OMA in the terms specified in the Pact.

But Blade has enough discipline and regard for his former clan not to embroil them. He has said that he was waiting 72 hours in the belief that this would have released Rage from their obligations.

In the event OMA decided to take matters into our own hands.

No EaoW has taken place. There is no basis that I can see for the Pact to have any relevance.

Edited By: Furious999 on Oct 19th 2014, 11:00:03
See Original Post

admiralnick

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Oct 18th 2014, 14:10:50

Come into IRC suicidal, I'm there all the time. And anytime you want to meet up, send me a message on IRC or in forums, I'll be happy to give you my contact information.

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Oct 18th 2014, 14:22:14

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Trife

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Oct 18th 2014, 14:32:10

Originally posted by admiralnick:

Come into IRC suicidal, I'm there all the time. And anytime you want to meet up, send me a message on IRC or in forums, I'll be happy to give you my contact information.

you two internet baddies need to make this happen and video it, or you're both a bunch of pusses

admiralnick

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Oct 18th 2014, 14:46:53

Fine with me.

BUTTMAN

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Oct 18th 2014, 15:05:45

Game war = rl fights.. Awesome!!!

jjterrico

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Oct 18th 2014, 16:11:19

Lmao some people I tells ya!!

FailDiegoFail

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Oct 18th 2014, 16:59:52

oma was around for like 2 weeks last set

Suicidal

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Oct 18th 2014, 17:06:47

No fluff, Nick got me skeert...then Trife just makes me laugh

Furious999

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Oct 18th 2014, 17:37:12

First blood to OMA

Suicidal (#10)
(Tyranny)
Clan: STONES

Dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

Locke

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Oct 18th 2014, 19:32:11

bonus!

Neato

ebola

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Oct 18th 2014, 20:19:19

Originally posted by FailDiegoFail:

oma was around for like 2 weeks last set

They were around from first week or so.
2014-08-19 05:40:15 PS FUUUUUUUU (#524) OMA pumas land (#471) 268A (479A)

Furious999

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Oct 18th 2014, 21:11:13

The tag was started at the beginning of the set. We were a spam tag (in FDF's terminology) until Heinrich of Rival and I agreed a formal set long DNH on 17 September.

I guess FDF must have been too busy with other things to bother keeping Rage's registry updated. That whole set was divided, really, between those warring and those not warring. We might as well have been on different servers. :)

Edited By: Furious999 on Oct 18th 2014, 21:52:53
See Original Post

iccyh

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Oct 18th 2014, 22:36:38

ebola: STONES would be considered a spam tag by the terms of the treaty, though.

Heinrich

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Oct 18th 2014, 23:17:08

Originally posted by Furious999:

I'll remind you that neither of us actually signed anything (which would be standard practice) and what we were talking about was for the remainder of last reset to just leave each other alone. I suggested we COULD and maybe should have a formal arrangement. However, we did not complete the process and sign any formal agreement to make it legitimate. You and I did not have any discussions or agree to anything for this reset. We have no pact now nor did we last reset of any sort. Do not claim that we do, that is a false statement out of your own imagination. As far as I'm concerned, Rival has never had formal relations with OMA, nor do I desire for Rival to have formal relations with OMA.

Furious999

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Oct 18th 2014, 23:49:46

Hi

I think that the DU -v- OMA war is over so if you were kind enough to put us on warDNH you can take us off.

That said, shall we agree an informal (or formal) mutual DNH for the remainder of the set?

Furious
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From: Heinrich
Sep 17, 2014
To: Furious999
I think a formal arrangement would be better.

From: Furious999
Sep 17, 2014
To: Heinrich

Good, that is agreed then. I'll tell my people.

Furious

Heinrich

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Oct 18th 2014, 23:53:46

Originally posted by Furious999:

I have a copy of it too. Do you see anything signed? I don't. I was confused when you said you'll tell your people. Tell them what? We're going to sign a pact?

robyn

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Oct 18th 2014, 23:57:30

a DNH does not constitute any type of pact Furious??? does it?
Im sorry but your a spam tag, you can drop as many names as you would like, but no one see's you as anything more than a spam tag.

You need to stick around, prove yourself and stop pissing off large alliances, unless you have the membership and support to do so.

At this point you dont, and your just kind of annoying.

Ive said far more than I should, I guess you just bring that out of me.

Furious999

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Oct 18th 2014, 23:58:53

I told them I had agreed a DNH with Rival for the rest of the set.

Furious999

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Oct 19th 2014, 0:08:07

If a clan unilaterally puts another on DNH no agreement is involved nor is any formal relationship created within the meaning of the EWPP.

If two clans agree a formal DNH then a relationship is formed, and for the purposes of the EWPP those clans cannot fulfil the
"alliance without formal relations to another alliance in the game" part of the spam tag definition.

jjterrico

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Oct 19th 2014, 2:18:49

Spam tags or not, who really cares?!?! Everyone shut up and let the two spam tags battle!!!

Good job oma on the kill, we should have had the one the night before :)

BUTTMAN

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Oct 19th 2014, 2:32:31

Originally posted by jjterrico:

Spam tags or not, who really cares?!?! Everyone shut up and let the two spam tags battle!!!

Good job oma on the kill, we should have had the one the night before :)

You are cool, man!

ebola

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Oct 19th 2014, 6:37:38

Originally posted by iccyh:

ebola: STONES would be considered a spam tag by the terms of the treaty, though.

I can't see that, could you show me how? I posted the spam tag definitions above and showed why they don't fit... (Unless my understanding that they have a pact with LCN is wrong).

iccyh

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Oct 19th 2014, 6:48:54

OMA yes, STONES no.

Furious999

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Oct 19th 2014, 8:31:10

You made a bit of a mistake going for Galifrey, jj, she has most of her land laid out to petunias with a nice little vegetable plot.

Your people made a TERRIBLE mess of it.
AND they wouldn't take their muddy boots off.

She's cross now. I don't think I'd like to be in your shoes!!

Little Joker

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Oct 19th 2014, 8:51:42

Yeah jjterrico is a friend and one very chill dude.

Furious999

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Oct 19th 2014, 9:28:39

Now, now young LJ. No fraternising with the enemy.

You can come out of the trenches and play a game of football with him on Christmas Day but otherwise - shoot the man's country, blow it up, nuke it, gas the population, send in your guerillas, poison the water supplies, create as much terror and confusion as you possibly can. And if you run out of ammo, cash or bushels then TELL THEM JOKES and we'll get them to laugh themselves to destruction. HA.

Riddler

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Oct 19th 2014, 13:18:51

Originally posted by Heinrich:

Originally posted by Furious999:

+100