Why didn't your father pull out?

You forgot the part about being HoW in NA who abandoned ship after getting spanked by SoF.

Did they teach you anything?

Not true. The entire point of the 72 hours is to push responsibility back to the original alliance during that timeframe.

Your logic insists that once that country detagged it would've been killed automatically. But until the country does harm you have no reason to kill it.

Why would this country go into vacation? If he's getting involved in the war, who cares about some LGs?

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Tried both Alliance & Tourney. Getting error codes.

It was Lady Freya back then... right?

I know that name from somewhere. Where did Freya play?

I thought I was the most liked?

what gives

Well LaF are good. But they definitely aren't decent. Their moral compass has been broken long long time

Wow....

nice

If you don't chew Big Red then fluff you

This was when they had outposts. I remember them being 400+ but not 500. Imagine how many spies and multis were in their ranks then.

Idk... back when Camelot was 200+ in the EZClan days

Blah blah blah

Thomas was so unreasonable.

Mutually reasonable? There are how many countries on this server? Why the fluff would LaF have to hit the same country within 48 hours. You guys couldn't wait? I understand you guys love land (as evidenced by the running of landfarms) but there is absolutely no reason for you to grab a country that often. Find another target. There are lots of them out there, I know you have the tools to find them.

It had nothing to do with an unreasonable policy. It had everything to do with you guys just not giving a fluff.

What's the point in bending over to the almighty LaF? Because you guys have more members?

You can pin it on me all you like. But the truth is that the policy has been in effect for over a year. You guys never had an issue with it before. Now all of a sudden it's a problem?

I highly doubt that. But it's LaF. You guys always pull shady things. RD doesn't anymore and NA is dead, so who else can we count on?

Funny how #13 provokes a war with Sanct over a retal policy that existed for over a year, and he ends top 10.

I'm sure the farm land didn't help him or anything.

We scared them into the CF. They saw our restarts and were scurred.

It's ridiculous to enforce 200% L:L on RoRs? It's essentially 2:1, which is standard, except we enforced 200% L:L in the event that the RoR was a blatant topfeed in which 2 retals would not be able to get the land back. This actually happened with ICN. They RoR'd and it would have been a topfeed, 2 retals got 100% L:L back, so they lost nothing. I didn't think the point of RoRs and Over-Retals etc. was to break even.

My bad.

It has been accepted. Hence the fact that nobody else has had an issue with it

Those policies were created because people abused the loopholes without them.

You need to be more sympathetic

I have posted all messages to h4, I have nothing to hide.

This issue is 100% related to #13 ...

Research... But remember these 2 policies

Any hit on a country that has made a retal cannot be grabbed by that same tag for 48 hours or face 200% L:L

Retal window is 48 hours. It is extended to 72 hours if more than 1 retal is authorized or more than 1 retal is necessary to meet L:L.

Yes. Because I'm not afraid to die for what we believe in. Our members stuck around because of the group we have, not because this game is all that entertaining. If we have nothing to stand for, why play?

We aren't going to be forced into playing by rules we do not agree with because a bigger tag bullied us.

There is not universal policy regarding anything.

But our policy has been longstanding. There has been no need to change it. And like I said, this is the only issue we have had with it in 2 years. Because #13 didn't like losing his land. LaF is not allowed to lose land in retals.

If you grab us, we retal according to our policy.

If we grab you, you retal according to your policy.

There were no late retals.


This is in regards to #13 who claims there was a late retal. For what it's worth, every issue was related to him and I'm sure he was a LaF leader trying to start a fight with our retal policy. As I said in another thread, nobody had an issue with this policy for 2 years. He decided he didn't like it and continues to push it.

Here is the rationale behind this so-called late retal .... Keep trying to find a reason for war LaF. I explained everything out or you.
Dec 27, 2012 7:32 PM
Copy/Paste the following if you could:

This hit was a RoR:

Dec 23/12 6:22:09 AM PS Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) Sanctuary Lives (#16) (SANcTA) 1777 A (+1009 A)

And because of that, the retal should have been at 200%. And because it would take more than 48 hours to collect 200%, the window was extended to 72 hours, as per our posted retal policy on the site.

"72 hours if 2 or more retals are authorized (and if satisfying L:L requires more than 1 retal)."

That is our exact policy.

So this hit:

Dec 25/12 4:12:46 PM PS verbal (#242) (SANcTA) Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) 2880 A (+2249 A)

Was a retal.

Making these hits:

Dec 25/12 5:08:34 PM PS Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) verbal (#242) (SANcTA) 1445 A (+1027 A)
Dec 25/12 5:07:10 PM PS Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) verbal (#242) (SANcTA) 2096 A (+1337 A)

RoRs, again.

Which will be retalled at 200% of 1445+2096


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iScode ... 200% L:L because it was a RoR

We have other tags to retal as well. An there are other countries LaF can hit. Do you really need to target the same country all reset? If you can't wait 48 hours to hit a particular target, there is a problem.

It's funny that this hasn't been an issue in the 2 years it's been in existence, until LaF needed more land.

Did I lie when I called you guys cheaters? No.

By the way, I didnt threaten any coalition war, just stated we have friends that don't like them. It's a reminder, but stretch it into a threat. Make this a legit war however you must. You just needed free land to finish top 10.

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200% L:L, again. It is plainly in our retal policy. If you do not like our retal policy, the easiest way to avoid this situation is to discontinue grabbing us. You guys grabbed us like hell last set and outran us with your TTRs, then signed a pact once we were in position to retal.

Now you're playing the games again. I get you're bigger than us. But that doesn't mean we are going to back down. We do have friends in this game still. And not many tags really "like" you guys a whole lot. Many will tolerate you, but that's usually as far as it goes.

So if you want to keep playing chicken, that's totally fine by me. We have absolutely nothing to lose. It's not like we're losing an opportunity at AVG NW. But this is your official notice that we are retalling 200% L:L on that last RoR. Technically, he RoR'd the retal for the RoR, so it should be compounded at 2x 200% L:L, or 400% L:L. But I'm feeling generous today.

Yeah because I was gone how long? You didn't hear from me, but I was out of Sanct 1 reset. I just didnt want to do FA because I don't like to. I can be nice, but don't need to. Our policy is black and white. If you hit us, we retal according to our policy. If you don't like it, then just don't hit us.

Was our policy unreasonable? No. If a country in Sanct retalled LaF they couldn't be hit for 48 hours. LaF has plenty of other targets, including countries in Sanct that they could hit instead. But they decided they wanted to prove they were superior and continues to push the issue. We continues to retal accordingly rather than kill any countries or increase our 200% L:L. We didnt take the bate, so they hit us instead.

I didnt escalate anything. I told h4 we will not budge. This has been our policy for a very long time and we weren't going to just stop enforcing it because they decided we were smaller than them and couldn't enforce it against them. There was nothin to negotiate.

I will stick to what we believe in, yes. I'm not a pushover. Is that stupid? You may think so. But my guys would rather not play than cower to another alliance, let alone one that consistently cheats.

It's like RD. They get caught cheating but people forget, or don't care.

That won't change.

It's no big deal. I know of a couple who won't be playing now. And we will probably be folding.

But what are my little problems?



No. Can you explain it further? I asked him to be my valentine. Did I ask too soon?

There we go with the kills.

Hey -- can you guys please rename your "retal policy" to a "grabbing policy". Since you're telling us how we can retal, it's not a retal policy, since you aren't retalling, we are.

Thanks in advance

I see you have determined that our policy is inferior to yours.

We continued retalling 200% for every RoR, while you bated us to FS you. It didnt work so now you decide to farm us so we FS you. Sounds like you guys are desperate to get us to hit you.

I really don't care. But next time you fluffers get caught cheating (and history proves there will be another time) I will jump in on the gangbang for multiple sets. None of this 1 reset bullfluff and let you guys go back to business as usual.

Cheers to the fair fight

lolz

I threw a fluff fit? I don't care what he said

Yes and no.

You bend over, you set precedent that we will do so next time and the time after. So we establish a pattern of bending under pressure.

Besides, diplomacy is boring

Oh, so because LaF have the numbers I'm supposed to let them dictate our policy.

Sounds terrific.

Is it because you don't like the xoxoxoxoxoxo?

Why the hate?

It's Christmas time.

Yes, you play under LaF policy. So when someone hits you, you retal according to your policy. We never disputed that. We hit you, you retal according to your posted policy.

It's when you hit us and force us to accept your policy that's the issue. That is no longer a retal policy, because you aren't retalling, you are grabbing. You're trying to enforce a grabbing policy onto us and it isn't going to work.

There is no negotiation. LaF did the same thing to us last set that they did to PDM. Once we were in position to finally retal, they signed a pact. Where did that get us? They start RoR'ing every hit. Why? Because they outnumber us.

How often have we heard of LaF being targeted and suicided and how it's not fair? There's a reason. Because when you guys are on top, you're a bunch of fluffing assholes. And when you get your asses handed to you, and get caught cheating, we're all supposed to feel sorry for you.

I'm not one of those AT guys that just forgets the scandals that happened in the past. Your entire tag has not changed. A reset or 2 goes by and you're back to the same bullfluff. We have a policy. If you don't like us, don't hit us. You really think we care if we die? You killed my EE country, my life is over.

I can be very logical, wg. When I expect LaF to accept our LONGSTANDING retal policy, that is logical. When I explain why they are being retalled the way they are, that is logical. When I send them a message telling them they're a bunch of douchebags, that's the truth. That isn't illogical. It's called honesty. And I'm not afraid to say it.

Love,

Thomas

xoxoxoxoxo

Can you throw me a rope?

From: Thomas
To: H4xOr WaNgEr
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Retalling the RoR retal
Date: Dec 20th, 13:35
Message Body:
Will you be my valentine?


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I know it's early, but I'd still like a response.

There is no negotiating. It's our retal policy. Don't like it, don't fluffing hit us. If you do, we're going to retal according to it. We aren't bending our policy for anybody, especially a bunch of cheaters.

You want to know where I work?

fluff LaF

I fail to see how I talked down to you. I simply explained it to you in a way that you would understand, since our retal policy is too complex for you to understand, or you are just plain ignorant. Or both...

From: Thomas
To: H4xOr WaNgEr
Subject: Retalling the RoR retal
Date: Dec 19th, 00:48
Message Body:
<b>Landgrab</b>

Dec 16/12 3:57:32 PM PS Milk Ocean (#298) (LaF) Imperialism (#390) (SANcTA) 1128 A (+618 A)


<b>Retal</b>

Dec 16/12 6:59:21 PM PS Imperialism (#390) (SANcTA) Milk Ocean (#298) (LaF) 1111 A (+452 A)

<b>RoR</b>

Dec 17/12 11:50:31 PM PS Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) Imperialism (#390) (SANcTA) 1419 A (+1026 A)


<b>Our Policy</b>

Landgrabbing the Retaller

Any country that has made a retal cannot be landgrabbed by that same tag for 48 hours.
Any violations of this will be considered Over-Retalling and subject to 200% L:L (maximum of 40% from Ghost Acres).

http://wiki.earthempires.com/...hp/Sanctuary_Retal_Policy


<b>Our Response</b>

Dec 18/12 10:13:02 PM PS Imperialism (#390) (SANcTA) Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) 1173 A (+382 A)

Dec 18/12 10:11:31 PM PS Imperialism (#390) (SANcTA) Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) 1171 A (+477 A)


<b>Your Response</b>

Dec 18/12 11:01:35 PM PS Xin is the real Slim Shady (#13) (LaF) Imperialism (#390) (SANcTA) 1835 A (+1436 A)


<b>Our Next Response</b>

200% L:L, again. It is plainly in our retal policy. If you do not like our retal policy, the easiest way to avoid this situation is to discontinue grabbing us. You guys grabbed us like hell last set and outran us with your TTRs, then signed a pact once we were in position to retal.

Now you're playing the games again. I get you're bigger than us. But that doesn't mean we are going to back down. We do have friends in this game still. And not many tags really "like" you guys a whole lot. Many will tolerate you, but that's usually as far as it goes.

So if you want to keep playing chicken, that's totally fine by me. We have absolutely nothing to lose. It's not like we're losing an opportunity at AVG NW. But this is your official notice that we are retalling 200% L:L on that last RoR. Technically, he RoR'd the retal for the RoR, so it should be compounded at 2x 200% L:L, or 400% L:L. But I'm feeling generous today.

Any further response by LaF will be deemed an act of aggression.

Hugs & Kisses,

Thomas

Here it is... I don't give a fluff, I have nothing to hide. LaF are a bunch of douchebags, since when was that news? Look at what they just did to prove it... they whine when they get hit by suiciders. They get caught cheating how many times... it doesn't matter... bunch of douchebags. That's the theme here, douchebags. And since I deal with douchebags at work, I figured I would talk to them in the same language.

Here is my original message:

Just like having a kid should be illegal without a permit... Think of all the kids who wouldn't be abused, teen moms, and the amount of public assistance we would save.