I won't side-track this post. We just disagreed constantly on PDM-SoF politics 2 resets ago.

Helmet, can't believe I'm saying this... I couldn't agree with you more. People are always looking for the easy blame.

PS locket, this also happened today:

http://www.cbsnews.com/...attack-leaves-23-injured/

Knives should be banned also right?

So pride you are saying that letting in former cheaters makes you a bad alliance? PDM has Pang who admitted he cheated in e2025. EE is considered a new start so let's talk about what alliances and people have done in EE.

haha fair enough. I figured as much.

Yes, Drow is referring to 133tz going rogue and getting pissed about being retalled. Last time I checked Chems != farming. Those hits were all retalled and worked out with RD. Drow may have in fact gotten that response from RD considering he has as much tact as an FA as Ivan did...

So as you said Nuk, 2 RDers hit, one was a DH and the other was an asshat but it was handled. How is this farming? I think what RD did this set is much more damning than any of this...

You know, thanks for topping this Arsenal as I didn't see Drow's and crest's comments

Drow: Show me the news, this was NEVER pointed out to tisya or myself during the time so if you noticed it you chose to keep it to yourself. I'm not pro RD, I just call a spade a spade. Your problem is you take this game so seriously and get all butt-hurt when things don't always go the way YOU think they should. Leaders like you are what have held PDM down from being a real contender. You lead with 100% emotion and 0% logic. You were part of the reason I stepped up to become a leader in PDM, to try and fix the mess that was being made.

crest23: You comment about something you do not have knowledge of. A closed mouth gathers no feet...

Giving a college education to an idiot does not make them "intelligent". I have a college education myself so I'm not biased but I have worked with plenty of college educated morons and intelligent high school grads...

Try this:
See if you find more jobs for someone with a 4 year degree and 0 experience or no degree and 4 years of experience...

god archaic I can't believe you said you like KJ. you going to admit having a crush on dagga too? as unpopular as it might make me I 100% agree with Sov and his actions.

sorry Drow going to have to disagree. I was fa at the time and Rd didn't farm us. In fact many rders backed us up when we were telling lcn we were in shape for a good finish.

Req,
You left PDM voluntarily and without incident as far as I know. Since when did you develop all this hate towards us?

1. If you believe this I feel bad for you, the patriot act is still in place which allows all kinds of things...
2. You call it health care reform I call it a tax hike and the government telling people what is best for them.
3. Projections are exactly that... There is no hard evidence that the stimulus package did anything more than continue to increase the national debt.
4. Really? ended? ask the troops that are still stationed over there if it is over...
5. I'll believe it when I see it
6. ?? I think you mean Osama... This was a plan put in place by his predecessor and Obama happily took all the credit. The real people that accomplished this are the seals involved and all the personnel that were working on this for years.
7. Pure bias in that statement. There are many competing interests in congress and the one that got in his way most often was the proud but few people who are actually trying to reign in the insane bi-partisan government spending.
8. Not to sound cynical but it seemed he waited until it was politically advantageous to announce he was for gay marriage.

Long story short, vote Gary Johnson.

It's not about not holding NA responsible. It is about the fact that NA and llarr were willing to work with you and you chose to war-dec the whole tag instead...

If you had stated EXACTLY what you wanted and he flat out said no you would have a much better case here bstrong...

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Hey guys. Thanks for the congrats but as I have said internally I did nothing special. He doesn't want credit but Big_Ben organized the whole alliance who was pretty demoralized and without a real goal for the set and put the plan in motion to pull this off. Without his organization I wouldn't even be top 100.

I know people have stated otherwise but I hope this doesn't continue any bad blood. I know people are upset about how things went but it would be nice to put the last reset behind us and move forward. I really do appreciate the sentiments of many of the LCNers on this thread who have given us congratulations.

Finally, Rockman: I'm by far not a netting expert and especially not as a techer but your strat was very easy to follow and effective. Thank you for sharing that with PDM, it was very enjoyable to play.

ouch man, that hurts...

This is probably a good time to state that I will not be an FA contact for PDM for the next set.

Thanks
(and yes I will change my sig)

Drow for real pvp, gw2>WoW.

^ see that's the problem. Anything but powershell! perl, python, ruby!

PS. The top RD country as well as other RDers had to fight through suiciders (PP) which most of the other current top 10 did not.

Sorry, have to agree with Rockman here. You don't get to go around imposing "rules" on a game and then calling others cheaters. It's like when you play first person shooters and people claim certain guns are outlawed. If the game creators put the ability into the game and have not made rules about it, it is fair game.

He who plays the best within the confines of the rules established by the game creators wins.

I give up. You claim people are polarized against hanlong and I see it as you are polarized in favor of hanlong. Agree to disagree.

Someone using access they were granted to do a bad thing != Someone using access they were NOT granted to do a bad thing.

One has cyber crime laws against it, the other does not...

good to have you back. Hope things are going well.

...

Yes

This is a stupid thread. We will never know 100% what happened with this situation and we can all draw our own conclusions. I don't think Pang needed to give the name of the account "plowie" that was used since it was not relevant in that we never thought it was plow that did it.

People are going to believe what they want to believe. Pang presented all the evidence so draw your own conclusion.

in this case... probably too many

Currently it appears only user accounts were removed/deleted. Other site content seems to be intact.

^ what archaic said.

Drow, I hope you do choose to reconsider. I have volunteered my abilities to Pang and would like to take an active role in helping to secure earth/boxcar against these types of attacks.

While this really sucks, it is fixable. Sadly, there will always be people that use nefarious means to further their goals, if there weren't I wouldn't have a job, but in my opinion the answer is to limit those means and make it more difficult for these people.

yes. Let's all wait for confirmation before this turns into a typical AT thread.

Usually I'm all about being negative but I'm with TAN on this. Most likely this is either a mistake or an application issue.

haha love it.

Congrats RIVAL. Very encouraging.

QFT

What I don't get is my post attacking TaSk was deleted but this post still stands... I'm not defending Alin a whole post of personal attacks really doesn't belong here...

well put Sov. good luck to both sides.

Thanks for this Sov. Appreciate that recognition and regardless of any of this I'm sure it will continue. Sadly, I felt we were making a good effort to improve relations with LCN prior to the FS...

I'm just guessing but I think his comment was against TaSk1. I already got a posted deleted once recently for my thoughts on TaSk so I'll just leave that alone=)

Not sure about archaic Sov but personally I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist...

task, I truly hope for the sake of the entire human race that someone has taken away your ability to reproduce. You sir are a cancer on this world...

Sorry ZEN, not my idea of fun. This was a low blow by LCN and your leadership knows that. Trying to vilify us with LCN membership and using Trife's leaving for false justification is just sad.

Enjoy beating a dead horse, I won't be fighting back...

nice points TAN. It is really sad this happened this way. Tisya and I have been completely 100% open to work with anyone that has come to us. Ask around, issues have been resolved all around with fairness in mind and we have more than once bent over backwards to ensure good relations with many alliances.

I now know why Trife quit...

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bump

I don't disagree with Ivan. Just his wording is what I took issue with.

Sam. Great post. I think you make some very interesting points that need to be considered when making changes and looking at reverting old ones.

Am I the only one that read the post at the top of this forum that stated the admins want to hear feedback on the changes and that they are no way set in stone.

Very well put

Ivan, it isn't about what they have done in game. Sure, they deserve to be killed for the quad taps, no argument there. It's you acting like the gatekeeper of EE and deciding who can and cannot play on "your" server.