Executive Summary for Helmet:

SoL is given a heads up of potential retals if farming continued on a stocked country
SoL FA recognize the country's right to retal
SoL FA is offered a DNH
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SoL ignores the heads up /
Sol farms the stocked country
Sol receives 3 legit retal for 65 hits
SoL decides to kill offending country

Now SoL is attempting to justify the attempted kill run under the bright lights of the AT community...oops ;D

This must be the same self-preservation rule your member ignored when he knowingly decided to farm a stocked country ;)

lol we all know if deerhunter was actually in a real alliance he would have been booted and farmed into oblivion by now, but he is in SoL and therefore safe ;) After all SoL leadership not only condones his behavior but encourages it :D

Meanwhile In Deerhunter Land:

The Mighty SoL is a respectable and honorable alliance and Deerhunter as their most respectable member has just spoken. How dare puny little old me challenge the mighty SoL with 3 despicable retals .... Detah to Prima / Detah to Prima... Deerhunter rallies the troops and off to battle the Mighty SoL must go to defend their honor from such an arrogant untagged country.

we need to understand Deerhunter is magical that way :D

Is SoL leadership really letting you post in this thread :o

Unfortunately although I was looking for a reasonable discussion it appears SoL has released you to post here. I should have known SoL was capable of anything in their moments of desperation :)

Scorba yes we are a happy bunch :)

I'll tell you what I am beginning to be inclined toward joining RD next reset for Tag protection so they can have their own personal land-farm. While I play a 4K acre rep farmer with full tech transferring 2k acres and a mil bushels every 50 turns or so to RD countries. I think I can set that country up in about 250 turns minus the tech which should take an extra 300-400 turns.

At least I know countries from "Netting Alliances" won't be getting the land, and I'm being land-farmed on my own terms.

So when you see an RD country sitting at 120K acres you can think back to WTF happened here. --- Maybe we can get 20-30 untagged and micro tags to do the same.

or I can quietly join some netting alliance as I originally planned to ... what do you think I should do??? Currently SOL you seem to have the knack for pushing all the right buttons.

I gave SOL the same heads up i gave other alliances, SOL made the decision to ignore it, other alliances who received the heads up made a much wiser decision :o

Had they made the same decision SOL had made then they would have been retaled in very much the same way.

Based on input so far they would have let the retals stand and left it up to their own member to learn why it may not be wise to landfarm a country with 1 bil in stock.

At this point I am beginning to think SOL does not respect/recognize or stand by their own policies. At minimum we can say they only do so when it suits their purpose?

Does Sol respect retals or not, based on what I saw in the form of direct action I am truly inclined to say no...

Funny thing is though that LCN did stop hitting on their own, probably because their members have it drilled into to them to spy the market before going on a land grab spree. basically not to grab blind, especially when the spyops on a fascist farmer pulling 20K plus bushels per turn says: -->>> 0 to < 1k bushels and cash on hand is hovering at <= $10K.

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Oh and your statement doesn't apply to the alliances i did get a hold of now does it... not my fault Trife is so darn lazy :p

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At minimum you should be honest with yourself, your member hit the wrong country and SOL as an alliance obviously completely overreacted ;)

2011-01-20 20:04:16 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 209A
2011-01-20 20:04:14 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 221A
2011-01-20 19:25:01 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 232A
2011-01-20 19:25:00 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 244A
2011-01-20 19:24:58 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 257A
2011-01-20 18:28:00 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 271A
2011-01-20 18:27:59 NM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 285A
2011-01-20 18:27:36 EM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 20892MU
2011-01-20 18:27:35 EM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 21102MU
2011-01-20 18:27:33 EM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 21316MU
2011-01-20 16:54:19 EM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 21531MU
2011-01-20 16:54:08 EM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 21748MU
2011-01-20 16:53:59 EM DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 21967MU
2011-01-20 16:52:06 PS DeerlandWillWall (#373) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 45A (45A)

I love the way SOL landgrabs though, I'm sure those hits were "the best land / jets spendt around."

--- Reading the tea leaves: probably cuz the country i retaled couldn't break the mil plus turrets, and 200K tanks I had set as def. So SOl uses one of their top 5 countries in the upper 12 mil net range to RoR. seeing the cost of having to fly 1 mil plus jets for a return of 45 acres ... he decided to land grab with nukes ;D nice
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I sold down to 30k turrets after those hits, also sold down the 1.2 mil jets I still had on hand since the same country above decided it was his duty to bomb airbases taking almost 3 mil jets in the process. At which point SOL switch to a land kill.

so I went from someone you thought was going to suicide SOL back to a juicy land-farm ... you should make up your mind. Because obviously you knew I dropped all def and offense, therefore giving you no reason to be fearing my country, yet you chose to proceed with your own plans. Besides at that point SOL had made it abundantly clear they were not going to treat the situation honorably.

Yes I had over 4 mil jets they were there in the event your member wanted to RoR. But this only works with alliances who respect their own policies...

so come again on how I am supposed to be interpreting the above???

Trife no worries I sent it to your ICQ (Besides LCN is probably smart enough to spy the market before land-grabbing like a banshee in heat :p )

Hi Ron *waves* are you trying to put me to work
/me performs horribly as an FA and gets fired :p

lol, Patience trust me it crossed my mind a few times, when I saw the missiles, spyops, and the start of a land kill run by a handful of SOL members. hehe if ever i get the desire to up my activity level SOL will probably be on my short list. For now they get to make their own rules.

"a smokin' hole in the ground" :D <<-- I lubs that expression ;D
--- New clan SHG ;D

In simple terms I hit 27 Mil bushels... and suddenly clans in the CF stepped up their LGing .. as mentioned there was a recognition they were land hungry. ... Hits prior to this were were let go while I searched for a happy spot where I could stock semi-comfortably. During the war land-grabs were fairly reasonable so I was able to stock.

Rage land grabbed me ... I sent the very same message I gave Praetor to Silent Sentinel and Rage stopped land grabbing me. ... No reason to Retal.

This was followed by LCN ... I sent Trife a message... never got a response, but no further land grabs were performed by LCN again no reason to retal.

Next in line was SOL so i spoke with Praetor. figured the issue was resolved.

Then Sanct/Collab decided to jump in, so I spoke with AxA and got a DNH...and no further hit were made by Collab.

Then the same SOL member decided they could farm me regardless of any potential retals.

.... Had Rage/LCN/or Collab played dumb and done the same they would have been retal just as quickly ...so there was nothing truly special behind my decisions to retal SOL.

so my question now is why would SOL decide to farm a country with 1bil in stock on hand??? and why would SOl want to kill this country after it took its legit retals and sent a message they were willing to let things stand asis ???

Mortcus you must mean -10% milcost to give them an extra boost, as it stands now a Fascist Farmer barely holds it's own in Express.

Additional expense would basically sink a fascist farmer to a non-competitive status.

unless what you mean is giving a fascist 90% Military Tech out the gate with an ability to it take to the same or lower level as a Demo. In which case a Fascist Farmer would give a Theo a really good run for it's money.

hmmm wasn't expecting a DNH I was offering it as a way to keep it fair to your members and to me. As mentioned I had the ability to retal and I would have truly preferred not having to go down this route.

In so many words ... let your members know there is a potential for a retal if you treat my country like your own personal land-biatch. Then it is up to the member to take the calculated risk if they want to screw with a country sitting on 30 mil bushels then they have no one else but themselves to blame.

Granted i knew taking the retals there was a potential SOL would react the way they did, but then I took the calculated risk I was dealing with an honorable alliance. Your choice you can kill my country or let this go where it stands.

yeah I was taught to landgrab smart and the alliance basically telling me if I was going to farm an untagged then legit retals were going to be on me.

Never farmed an untagged, just had no need to and I have seen good Theo's hit well over 100 mil net without having to farm untags to make the mark. But to each their own, we sure as hell won't be stopping those who push the landgrab button on the same country 30+ times for a gain of 450 acres. It's just the way they were taught to play the game, besides it's so much easier to get a higher networth playing landfat with low def.

So I just want to get this straight you don't give a flying frack about this game and you will do whatever the frack you feel like doing because you are SOL... and you don't have to recognize legit retals unless it's from an alliance you recognize.

BTW I am the one who let SOL farm my 25K+ acre country for 72 hours with dropped def down to 253 acres on the old EC server. Specifically because a member from my alliance hit SOL hard, basically suiciding on them. So I am the last person who would have considered suiciding SOL or any other alliance on this server. But then hey you do need an excuse so why not just pull the "but you threatened to suicide us" card to justify your own position.

enjoy

Hanlong I thought it was SOL that used to look out for the little guy... meh I suppose they are big enough to be the bullies now ;)

lol NukEvil Evo isn't all that much better about farming the daylights out of one man tags or untagged countries. Question is had I retaliated Evo 3x for 65 hits after talking to your FA with full disclosure would you be killing my country???

I agree though you are right no one would care either way ;)

Which is exactly why when i select my next alliance it will be with those who do care.

Hi Trife ... yes i know it's a cool place, I am thinking about it ;)

Hi joe2 but I'm just a nub :p j/k ... hmmm but why would I join an alliance that was farming my little one man tag ??? No worries though Sanct was nice to me in the past when I was running an alliance on the old EC server, so it balances itself out.

As you proceed to kill my country for 3 legit retals on a country that hit my country 65 times consider the following:

your Foreign Affairs officer was given a heads up that I had the stock to take the retal. He even mentioned I had the right to take the retal because before mentioning I had 30 mil bushels in stock he figured it would be a stretch for a 2100 acre country sitting at 480k net to retal a 4 mil net country.

Once your FA understood the situation he said he would talk to the member ... So the obvious result was a sentiment of screw you we are going to keep farming you and KR you if you don't like it. At least other alliances had the decency of providing a DNH as requested when I approached them. But SOL had to be oh so special :)

It's not like I was hiding and waiting to suicide on SOL, as a matter of fact I specifically told your FA that I understood you all were land hungry, and my preference was to quietly net on my 2100 acres until the end of the reset. I was willing to just let the whole thing go for a DNH... Even then had it been followed up with double or quad taps from 2-3 SOL members i probably would have just let it go. But the response was for the same country to hit my country 30+ more times. WTF did you expect :p

--- I took the retals and sent a message to your member that I was willing to let it stand asis... Based on the reaction it looks like SOL was just looking for a country to kill ... okies no prob have fun.

Now I just wait for you all to kill the country, because obviously this is the type of alliance you are. Able to farm others but if someone retals excessive hits ...oh my you have to kill the country. You can dish it out but you sure as hell can't take it can you.

So as an alliance do you feel like you are all accomplishing a legacy people will look back on and say what a great alliance that was?

thanx for the warm welcome, I feel very special that my puny little country was such a threat to SOL they feel the need to kill it :)

I have said my piece and took my retals, if you all want to overreact over 3 retals then by all means go for it. It will just go to show what type of alliance you really are.

Happy Hunting - Tigress

you all have a good end of reset

Hi Ruthie it has been a while good to see you :)

how have you been Murf?

hehe Marshal I dunno what i'm gonna do next reset ;) in my current mood I may be giving SOL an honest to god good reason to want to kill my country and deny them the pleasure :p

galleri *waves* ;)

Xav you may be killing my country,

I am so tempted in joining NM, just a quiet style of netting on an all-x country. SoF is going to be so big next reset, and i have such a soft spot for the underdogs.

darn it I got a couple more weeks to make this decision,and I'm just not sold on SoF yet. I just see myself as being lost in the melee with SoF, too many peeps. Flip-side is; it would be a good place to hide out, and keep a low/lazy profile in.

... hehe the hard road or the easy road :p This may end up being a drop the alliance names in a hat and pick one at random.

My short list: SoF, Laf, NM, WoF
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hehe on the being farmland ... I went farmer @2100 acres and was stocking about 1.5 - 2 mil bushels per day (just got the tech up) and got to 30 mil bushels in 2 weeks no prob while being farmed ;) ... hehe but then with the recent ceasefire the war alliances got a little too land hungry.

..tis a pheonix ... from the ashes ...(symbolic a rebirth of earth maybe?) ;D

now I'm torn DL or Xav...

w/ Sof so big they really don't need another body... and it may be fun fighting up against old clan-mates ;)

DL I am so thinking the same thing at the moment NM may very well be a new home for me.

...hehe there's a bonus too I get to hunt Martians ;D

/me just thinking out loud ... and needing extra input.

that was a straight count from eestats... i was thinking the dead countries had already been removed from the count (maybe not/not sure). I haven't see too many dead countries in primary though, KRs must be much harder on the solo servers.

sounds about right, I'm so darn low on land for a farmer

.. lol, I really ef'd up the start on this one :p I'll be happy if I make it over 10 mil net

hehe .. is that the same Murf who recruited me to Valks :)

lol heya Marshal... your post count seems low :p

no prob Xavier (lol, I had to shed my stealth mode when I saw you posting)... give me a heads up on an alliance if you want me to join ;) ...shhh don't tell Ironman or he will put me to work ;p

SL I know ... I almost got away with a completely new nooblet beginning, then Xavier had to come here and post ;D

it sure is good to see you both though.

too many turns teching i think... a little under 600 turns left in the round.

dunno if it will be worth converting to MBR or just keep exploring til set end ...

ola Xav and SL... good to see you both ;) ... You knew me as Tigress ;) just started back up a few weeks ago myself ...Still haven't decided which clan if any I will play next reset, just being farmland for now ;D

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Hi Patience you still have the laser blaster, or did they take it away when you stopped being a Mod? :)

heya.. Trife ;) you still teaching nooblets like me how to play the game ?

oh ...and you gotta work on bringing RM back to life ;D

no prob Thomas and thanx, AxA got a hold of me for my daily beating... Moral is now improving tremendously as of this morning ;D

thank you AxA ;)

AxA please check your ICQ when you get a chance ;)

http://cartographersguild.com/

--->> http://www.cartographersguild.com/...-List-of-Mapping-Software

... 929 countries created in primary
... 455 have a minimum of 10K points
... 712 have at minimum taken some turns

last reset in primary:
... 607 countries created
... 361 had an minimum of 10K points
... 471 took one turn minimum

--- based on the above there are approximately 150-300 new (& active) countries in primary at the moment. This appears to be inline with the games normal growth trend-line.

closed ;)

thanx SS... just sent you an offline msg.

Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 tidderish (#59) 18,747 $27,289,955 CG
2 Rampant Syphilis (#8) 14,471 $26,685,356 HG
3 vroooooooooooooom (#6) 19,424 $21,639,986 CG
4 Vanilla (#35) 9507 $21,338,494 DG
5 46 (#46) 8640 $19,441,058 HG
6 Walls Of Stalingrad (#2) 14,170 $19,255,383 DG
7 Bohemian Grabsody (#26) 14,910 $17,390,942 HG
8 19th Nervous Breakdown (#69) 15,732 $16,514,468 DG
9 Always Miss the Last 3 Hours (#38) 12,292 $16,024,710 F
10 taylor swift is an angel (#94) 13,424 $15,828,569 RG

11 The Prime (#23) 6802 $14,794,341 DG
12 Fern Gully (#1) 7808 $14,364,411 DG
13 GodSpentAWholeDayOnRachelMcAdams (#30) 16,557 $14,321,275 CG
14 veyron (#29) 14,217 $14,119,760 CG
15 Turtle (#27) 9892 $13,726,650 HG
16 Italodisco (#53) 11,769 $13,659,406 RG
17 Top 10 Finisher (#71) 17,832 $13,430,821 CG
18 Half Breed (#66) 12,687 $13,259,537 DG
19 OxyMoronicGiantShrimp (#47) 15,990 $12,658,357 RG
20 shaney (#75) 7902 $11,930,485 HG

21 Wargasm (#15) 8491 $11,735,930 HG
22 Free Ride (#36) 13,552 $11,506,174 FG
23 The Automatic Earth (#3) 25,179 $11,167,353 CG
24 Intrepid (#16) 12,080 $10,940,468 D
25 Budweiser Bonzai (#44) 10,310 $10,112,873 RG

thnx Kya lol, I'll wait for DL or SS to confirm :p

I know you are all in a war, or perhaps it is over.

please contact me ICQ# 234656, or provide FA contact info

Yes i know i am a one country tag ;)

... but would like to negotiate retals before proceeding :)

--- btw you've already killed one ... so further hits will obviously make me think I'm on your kill list again ;D

k got a little more Agri tech, figured I would get some military tech too, since bushels are selling at 36... to be a Demo right about now with 83% military :)

I'm teching just over 1K per turn so not very optimal. I did the explore figuring I would just buy tech as I built the acres to farms anyhow market was dry. Then as you said my nonstandard position was a decision whether to tear-down the labs or not.
Ultimately decided to keep them

saw some tech on the market today so I did buy some too, if there is more tomorrow I may decide to tear-down and rebuild farms. But will probably try to push the mil and agri to 85% and 220% first. my only dilemma is going to be the biz/res which I usually like to run at >150%


... i usually run def heavy anyway figure if they want the land then they will need to fly jets and burn oil. Not saying they can't break it just make myself a little less appealing; it is a solo server after all.