January Talk Thread - Earth Empires Forum

blid

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Jan 30th 2014, 2:28:49

Speaking of the stocking period, anyone attacking anyone with <5 days left in the set is a griefing a-hole. That's what happened to me.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

silentwolf

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Jan 30th 2014, 2:37:48

You topfeed me, I don't give rats butt on time for retal.

Wait a minute.. It's a grab.. Not a retal.

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Jan 30th 2014, 3:09:44

I believe the proper colloquialism is "rats ass"

My point was blid, policies/unwritten rules mean jack in primary so I don't know why people keep trying to argue what's right or wrong. At the end of the day it is just about how well you protect your land.. not just from a simple defensive unit standpoint but from your gov't/land amt/strat/land around you/time of the set standpoint.

I got TF'ed today, minutes before I was about to buy turrets. But you know what, I don't blame the guy, I DESERVED IT. It was my own damn fault for being so fat relative to those around me and on top of that not having enough turrets for my land/NW level, I was surprised it took so long. So no I'm not going to complain about it or argue it's wrong, but am I going to take it ? No.. I'm going to get my land back when I see fit. That's just how solo server is played. Cuz truth is no one gives a damn what anyone else thinks is the 'right' way to play. Like I said in the past, as long as you're not cheating, play whatever way you want, as long as you're willing to live with the consequences of your action.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

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Jan 30th 2014, 7:27:53

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

Originally posted by Serpentor:

Did I hit you?

Me?........checks news........nope :-)

Today you did LOL

Now blid can actually find me :p

Terrible day, I logged in to find two of my allies got pwned and I lost nearly 200k turrets alone, was too pissed to even add the tanks, then I made a nOObish mistake of buying out all food not leaving cash to cover my neg income for when I place them back in the market, FK me welcome back Ko LOL.

No worries Serp, you're one guy I won't bother retalling, unless something happens to you and you become juicy or drop out of the race ;-)

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Cable

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Jan 30th 2014, 13:24:31

No offense but unless you have a super stock I dont think you could retal him if you tried. Commies grow all set making them very hard to chase down retals...... but what do I know.

Just wait LATC the top feedinf isnt done yet, some guy with 50% and 60% my land bounced 10 spy ops on me. I think it was an SoS for me to help him lose some of that access land of his. Mabye I'll give him a reason to retal me since he just grew 3000 acres in two days and is still at 50% my size.

silentwolf

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Jan 30th 2014, 15:24:35

you seem to run a mean game cable :)

Cable

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Jan 30th 2014, 19:31:34

Originally posted by silentwolf:

you seem to run a mean game cable :)

I suck at this game, over sent 115% attsck power vs his 100% and still failed. Xhiuan would say I calced something wrong but I double checked and nothing was wrong..... I just suck I guess... 1000 acres behind where I should be.

blid

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Jan 30th 2014, 19:34:42

You calced something wrong :P

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

h2orich

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Jan 30th 2014, 19:34:57

1000 acres is just 2-3 grabs away. You dont lose out alot on failed grabs, all you lose is 3-4 turns, some military loss and a target, thats all.

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 30th 2014, 19:36:24

Cable, did you epic fail comprehension in school? WTF bro!

blid

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Jan 30th 2014, 19:36:56

When you bounce an attack the biggest cost is the loss of a target, not the loss of the land. Because you're not actually losing land, you're only spending 2 turns making an unproductive hit. Besides the jets lost (the second biggest cost), it's like cashing for 2 turns + spy turns. You probably cash for 2-5 turns without even thinking about it.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

LATC

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Jan 30th 2014, 20:41:51

Well loss of a target and loss of those jets used for that day to get land. Failing because you sent your forces as an SS instead of PS is a lot better than failing a PS cuz of a miscalculation.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

Serpentor

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Jan 30th 2014, 20:50:57

For an Indy, its like losing land. Lol

At this stage you only get 3PS's per day, if you DH one, that's a wasted target. And you need to be gaining land with those turns.

I DH'd 3x this set with (I swear) perfect calcs, sending 30k or so extra on top of the 10%. There must be a mehul factor still.

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Serpentor

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Jan 30th 2014, 20:51:44

Or an ally played turns to up that D maybe while I was calcing.

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dexsydcol

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Jan 30th 2014, 22:16:55

KOH, if I hit you for some land you gonna cut me some slack as well?

I need to beef up my land without any fear of a retal.

eManny

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Jan 30th 2014, 22:44:38

Got a question, does military strategy increase land gain, or land gain and ghost acres?

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 30th 2014, 22:45:30

Originally posted by dexsydcol:

KOH, if I hit you for some land you gonna cut me some slack as well?

I need to beef up my land without any fear of a retal.

I don't know you :-(

Cable

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Jan 31st 2014, 1:04:30

Originally posted by eManny:

Got a question, does military strategy increase land gain, or land gain and ghost acres?

Increases land stolen as well as ghosts because ghosts are calculated off what you take.

Unless a DA (and he only had one) came on and ran turns to screw my calc within 60 seconds then I got muheld. Qz said its still in the game that much I kmow..... but who knows or cares. Like Serp said its a loss of land to me 1 million jets not grabbing land is a waste of 20 hours waiting around to go after someone else. On top of that the humanitarian effect is pushing me up to 3-4 million jets just to make 1-2 grabs mabye a third if im spoiled.

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Jan 31st 2014, 2:05:03

(Defensive strength)*Weapons *govt* defense bonus %= x

total strength = x + 1/4 raw def strngth ally A + 1/4 raw def strength ally B

attack with (total stength/1.5/W/ govt) X1.15

calculate Weapons % at http://www.eestats.com/techcalc

If you do this calculation and hit with 15% over you will hardly ever miss.

Edited By: Getafix on Jan 31st 2014, 2:08:31
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Cable

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Jan 31st 2014, 2:44:52

Lol thanks Getafix, I had no idea how attacking works :P

Getafix

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Jan 31st 2014, 2:55:37

Well Cable, somethings going wrong.. seemed like a good idea to review basics

crest23

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Jan 31st 2014, 3:08:40

You don't need 1.15. 1.1 works perfectly. If you fail you messed up somewhere.

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Serpentor

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Jan 31st 2014, 5:00:40

Or something changed on one of your 3 spy ops.

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Viceroy

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Jan 31st 2014, 5:51:04

Does the luck bonus have any effect?

And, Monsters, do not forget to specify, when time and place shall serve, that I am an ass.

Serpentor

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Jan 31st 2014, 6:06:18

Hmmm... Probably

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Cable

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Jan 31st 2014, 11:25:15

Originally posted by Viceroy:

Does the luck bonus have any effect?

So it claims, and im not sure it would show up on a spy op.... to be fair someone could I theory be on and jump in the middle. But this isnt like express where I camp my country to bounce retals. Id math out the exact break forumla I go through but people will still argue I missed something.

Cannon

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Jan 31st 2014, 13:24:10

I see another top 10 tech leeching commie. Brutal

blid

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Jan 31st 2014, 13:32:51

One of the commies under 30k land?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cannon

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Jan 31st 2014, 13:41:53

Just under. 28K and change. I'm surprised actually

Cable

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Jan 31st 2014, 13:53:57

Wow.. mabye QZ should nuke this server too ans implement no allies....

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Jan 31st 2014, 21:21:45

Originally posted by Getafix:

OK here is something I'm not absolutely certain on. What is the maximum of (1/4 raw def strngth ally A + 1/4 raw def strength ally B)

is it x? I think so.

or is it (defensive strength), ie turr + tanks*2 +troops *1/2 ?

blid

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Jan 31st 2014, 21:38:18

It's X, the modified defense, afaik.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

LATC

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Jan 31st 2014, 21:57:02

Yup, that's correct, 2x is the max D power you can have.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

SethMosrite

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Jan 31st 2014, 22:28:37

For the target's tech calculation I just use the in game spy op page instead of eestats.
I'm not sure about the accuracy of either but I haven't bounced once this set in 40+ grabs.

h2orich

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Feb 1st 2014, 1:05:37

maximum of what allies can help you defend is depending on your defence power(i.e modified defence, after govern bonus, weapons, readiness etc etc)

Cable

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Feb 1st 2014, 1:52:24

you can only boost raw defense not weapons and gov bonus

Getafix

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Feb 1st 2014, 2:41:18

Originally posted by Cable:

you can only boost raw defense not weapons and gov bonus

Here is the source of your bad luck I think. In the wiki it says:

"Defensive
A defensive alliance builds a solid foundation to protect each of the partners. Any time you are attacked, 25% of of your allies' forces will come to assist in your defense. However, Your total battle strength cannot be more than doubled through allies, so having allies at your strength is most beneficial in the long run. Being a member of a Defensive Alliance consumes 0.2% of your networth each turn."

Note the term "total battle strength". That would be the defensive power AFTER weapons, govt, def bonus and readiness %. That is the amount that can be doubled, not raw defense.

Getafix

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Feb 1st 2014, 3:10:58

By the way cable, I really didn't want to say this but,

NOOB!!

Cable

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Feb 1st 2014, 3:39:24

No getafix that is wrong, when I have 140% weapons its nit doubled by my allies. If I wasnt on mobile id investigate for you, otherwise id fail alot more then rhe odd hit.

Getafix

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Feb 1st 2014, 3:48:37

It would only be a factor if one of your allies was like 3 or 4 times bigger than you, or both 2.5X bigger.

I think this is a common mistake. When I have Weapons tech and a couple big allies, a lot of people bounce because they calculate it wrong.

Edited By: Getafix on Feb 1st 2014, 3:51:16
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Cable

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Feb 1st 2014, 4:00:19

I cant agree with that, because thats a two way street, I hit lots of people with weapons tech and dont bonuce when I don't over calculate their breaks. Say im hitting a guy with 107% weapons, I calculate allie boost + (player im attacking × his weapons) then ÷ by 3 and multiple by 1.1 I only fail a handful of grabs not enough for me to think their weapons tech is failing me.

looks like this (ally one X 0.25) + ( ally 2 X 0.25) + (player X weapons) ÷ by 3 multiply by 1.1 and move on.

Edited By: Cable on Feb 1st 2014, 4:02:53
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Getafix

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Feb 1st 2014, 4:18:12

well blid, LATC and H2orich think the max contribution is double the adjusted defense. I was pretty sure and thought this might be your error. Anyone else want to weigh in?

Cable

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Feb 1st 2014, 4:30:20

Better yet try it without doubling his weapons tech

SethMosrite

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Feb 1st 2014, 4:32:28

I've always assumed allies max contribution is 2x total defensive power (including tech, bonus, govt).

Serpentor

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Feb 1st 2014, 4:58:11

((Total Def x tech x gov x bonus )+(ally A x 0.25) + (ally B x 0.25) ) x 1.1

Ex:
Total def= 1m
Tech = 1.2
Gov = dict (1.25)
Bonus= 1.20
Ally A = 4m
Ally B = 5m

((1m x 1.2 x1.25x1.2)+1m)x1.1= 3,080,000

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Serpentor

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Feb 1st 2014, 5:04:47

I mindlessly calculate this on my iPhone calculator 3-5x a day for years now. Lol. "Usually" I don't fail a grab all set long.... Unless I make an error on my iPhones touch screen. Oh and that's just for 99% success. I always add slightly more to try to get 100%. Not sure if 100% is achievable or not, or if its 99.99%

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Feb 1st 2014, 5:19:20

Originally posted by Cable:

Why are you dividing by 3? Remove that, and your formula will almost be correct.

Xinhuan

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Feb 1st 2014, 5:23:18

Originally posted by Serpentor:

This should be
((1m x 1.2 x1.25x1.2)+(5m+4m)/4)x1.1= 4455000
But we need to check if allies more than double your defense, which it does
(1m x 1.2 x 1.25x1.2)x1.1x2 = 3960000

Therefore the break is 3.96m