And no, you had a lid on about elders nonsense when you were in villains.

I'm just saying that elder crap you're still on works both ways. Elders is as much rybka as they are darkness. Rybka is as much hcfc as darkness is elders.

Which is to say, not at all. One is not independent unless all are assumed independent. If none are assumed independent than it's safe to assume rybka is hcfc.

Follow the logic?