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Angel1:
Originally
posted by
blid:
haha funny that right wing people think trying to prevent people from dying of hunger or lack of medical care is a "strategy." real window into the soul of these people
Funny that left wing people think that creating a state in which people are dependent on the government to keep them fed and taken care of medically that the government when it's all said and done won't be able to pay for and therefore won't be able to have in the long run is a good thing. That's a real window into their souls. Get them dependent and then take it all away when the financial house of cards comes crashing down. It's not military spending or two wars that a creating the massive deficit crisis to come...it's runaway entitlement programs. When the credit runs out, so do those programs. I care too much about my fellow Americans to stand by and watch while the left wing tells everyone that the government will take care of everyone...when that's just not true in the long term. Don't talk about raising taxes on the richest Americans; true fact: even if you took it all...it wouldn't be enough. The government can help create the environment in which people can stand on their own two feet and survive. The government can build the skeleton around which communities of individuals build the American body. We have a name for governments that have tried to be the skeleton and the body...failures. When those systems fail, who suffers? The same people that those systems claimed to be helping. The left wing would rather give people fish than teach people to fish.
ok ready to become a socialist?
first off i wanna note when i talked about the widnow into the soul, it was in response to req perceiving taking care of those in need as a "strategy," it wasn't a judgment of those who think social welfare is just not feasible or w/e.
but ok so your post you're talking about teaching a man to fish or whatever. how does cutting them off frmo social welfare programs, health assistance, etc help them "learn to fish"? on the contrary, people in need are less able to afford things like education, even public education they're more liekly to drop out frmo in order to make some money, oftentimes their most lucrative options involve crime or drugs. and this isn't just me running my mouth, it's actually been shown to be true: a guaranteed basic income has proved to actually increase education and work:
The pilot project of Omitara should give the nay-sayers a pause. Reading through the final report, some striking figures come up: Household poverty was halved in one year, child malnutrition was cut from 42% to 10% and school dropouts fell from 40% to zero. The overall crime rate fell by 42% and lifestock ownership increased. At the same time, the rate of those engaged in income generating activities rose by 10% - refuting the claim that a basic income would make people lazy.
http://www.comminit.com/en/node/329310
THAT is how you teach a man to fish - and guess what, it happens to be the moral choice as well. in the wealthiest c ountry on earth nobody should be going without medical care, housing, or food, the basic necessities of life. can we afford it? yeah, easily.
cut war related spending: $127b/yr according to the CBO
have a public option for health care: $88b/yr savings according to the CBO (expand this program to universal single-payer health care later on)
end obama's dumbass payroll tax cut which defunds social security: $50b/yr
remove the payroll tax cap which exempts income over 107k from taxation: $13.4b/yr
let the bush tax cuts expire: $453b/yr ($371b/yr if you extend them for people making under 250k)
how about a new top marginal tax rate as well for income over a certain extra high amount? we've got lower rates than ever before.
all in all it'd be pretty easy to do...