Idk mdevol. We went a whole ~8 year period without winning a war. ICN had a couple bad leaders that got us killed on the reg. Nole will tell you as a former president in this game that he has never been part of the winning side of a war.

I think that's part of the reason fmr ICN makes up the bulk of Elders and are exceptional wallers. Probably no one has died near as much as we did in 2025 haha.