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May 19th 2010, 20:32:50

I have toyed with this idea for years and now that we have an environment where widely accepted ideas can receive implementation I thought I would gauge others' opinions on this idea.

Basically the way it would work is that there is a fixed amount of land for the entire server to control. The most practical factor for setting what the land cap is would be number of countries in the server. I think something on the order of 15,000+/-5000 acres per country would be the appropriate quantity of land to make available. So for a server with 800 countries there would be 12,000,000 acres available in this scenario.

There is no doubt this would encourage land grabbing (which on the other hand may be a detriment to the game if the lazy player base can no longer remain competitive by purely exploring) which I think is something this game needs. To further encourage grabbing, exploring would be limited to something like 10,000 acres. That means if every country only explored only 2/3 of the land pool would be used (so to actually have some semblance of realism it would be necessary for people to grab to access all the land in the world). This cap on exploration could be thought of as exploring up to your neighbors borders if you like pretending things are in some way realistic as I do.

To protect late starters from having 15,000 acres added to the land pool and immediately explored out from under their noses it might make sense to add 10,000 acres to the free land pool and then reserve a 5,000 acre private pool for that country to tap before accessing the main land pool.

Ghost acres would clearly need to be eliminated.

I feel this would idea would be augmented with a revised land gains formula which is dependent on defense/acre. As a countries defenses become increasingly concentrated it becomes more difficult to seize its land. This would also require revision of military losses as bottom feeding would result in a feedback of increased gains.



Potential effects of this are certainly increased grabbing. Anyone who wants a top country will have to get it at the expense of smaller countries. Who will then suffer an end in the land. This theoretically could lead to farming to death (in a non-literal way) but would potentially be countered by a necessity for war (and thereby dead countries releasing their land back to the pool).

Tech would become more important as a means of separating one country from another, particularly for warring. This would certainly add hiccups to market trends.


Thoughts? Independent of the land pool idea I like the idea of making land gains dependent on defense/acre.

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May 19th 2010, 19:51:38

I have never liked 15 free acres, however if dropping land is kept, I do think redistribution is preferable to disappearance.

Dead land is an interesting issue. In an FS you might see 10 countries with 20k land die... so 200k free acres given to 750 countries is 267 acres/country. Sure could mess up a TMBR (I suppose they can drop the land in turn... maybe an 'opt out of free land' option would make sense)

The one real downside is that this doesn't really give any victims a chance to regain a significant amount of their land.

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May 19th 2010, 14:05:25

Why does it cost something to give up land? Just from a reality stand point (sure, the amount of military is not realistic here, but whatever).

How much would you suggest it costs to drop land? Like presumably anyone who suicides will have enough cash on hand to drop the land. At the very least they could sell off military on the private to fund dropping land.

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May 18th 2010, 21:21:47

You sure seem to be quite the expert on sucking.

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May 18th 2010, 17:02:42

Originally posted by Slagpit:
min for SS: ~0.3%
max for SS: 100%

:P


hahaha, funny and true

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May 18th 2010, 17:01:35

Originally posted by jakeb:
related question.

country A has 5m nw 10k acres attacks country B 10m nw 20k acres = what returns?


1800 acres

country B has 10m nw 20k acres attacks country A 5m nw 10k acres = what returns?


500 acres

country C has 10m nw 10k acres attacks country B 10m nw 20k acres = what returns?


1400 acres

country B has 10m nw 20k acres attacks country C 10m nw 10k acres = what returns?


700 acres

country C has 10m nw 10k acres attacks country A 5m nw 10k acres = what returns?


500 acres

country A has 5m nw 10k acres attacks country C 10m nw 10k acres = what returns?


900 acres

i don't want gov't or tech bonuses factored in, just theoretical differences in returns due to differences in land sizes vs networth differences.

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May 18th 2010, 15:03:10

Originally posted by RaHL_DK:
What I mean by Toughness is simple How much stronger it would make our conference.

Would Ohio state, Penn state be viewed as having a tougher schedule having to play Norte Dame every year, or would they say beating Norte dame is no big deal. No Doubt ND use to be a CFB powerhouse but have fallen off allot, we already have to play teams like Northwestern, and Indiana.

I would like to see a Nebraska or Mizzou because of the respect Big ten teams would get for having to face them. Now I know the Big ten did a great job in the bowls last year, but right now we have the stigma of being a weak conference outside our top 2 or 3 teams, I mean I hate Michigan but them being so far down right now is hurting our conference bad!!

so I would love to see which every team that joins the big ten be one that makes it to where we have a solid 4 or 5 teams every year, Right now it is

Ohio State
Penn State
Michigan**** They will be back eventually****
Wisconsin

Then one of our others usaully steps up
Iowa
Michigan state
Illionis
Purdue

then we have the few i would love to trade to off

Indiana
Northwestern
Minnesota


So you think that Mizzou has a higher ceiling than Nebraska? ND is down right now, but they have a lot easier time drawing top recruits than Mizzou (or Nebraska does). There are a lot more reasons to think ND will have sustained success than Mizzou. Nebraska does have a lot of tradition and can be expected to play at a high level similar to Oklahoma, even though they draw from small population bases. Plus ND is the most over-rated school of all time. Teams get a lot more credit for beating Notre Dame than they are due. I don't think the whole toughness of conference thing is an issue.

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May 18th 2010, 15:00:28

Originally posted by Dragon:
WV would be a nice fit, I think. We had a decades long rivalry with Penn State and Ohio State is in our back yard. so to speak. That, and pretty much every WVU fan would love to see the Mountaineers get an annual shot at Rich Rodriguez up there at Michigan.

However, I think that WVU would end up in an expanded ACC. Former Big East members Miami, BC and Virginia Tech went to the ACC so it seems logical for WVU to head that direction as well.

ND would be an obvious choice but as has been said, they're unlikely to commit their football program to a conference commitment when they have such a sweetheart deal as an Indy.

Speculation that Mizzou or Nebraska would leave the Big 12 is just crazy, IMO. Why would they do that?

There are "emerging" programs like Cincinnati that might be a logical fit into the Big 10, but the problem is that they haven't put together a long string of winning seasons and top 25 finishes to prove they can compete in a powerful conference.

Pitt was another program mentioned in the article I read a while back. Pitt HAS won National Championships and DOES have a tradition and IS geographically suitable to play in the Big 10.

Rutgers? NYC audience? Bah. IMO, the Big Ten is all about the Midwest. But college football anymore is all about the $$$$, so who knows?



I think WV is a much better fit for the ACC than the Big Ten. The Big Ten needs to fill out and expand their TV network which WV doesn't do a whole lot of. Sure facing Rich Rod is fine and dandy, but once he is gone then that has lost all meaning.

ND actually would make more on the Big Ten Network than their NBC deal, by $1-2M. They however have then lost their independence and that contributes to their allure. Plus they no longer have the guaranteed TV slot to themselves every Saturday.

Mizzou and Nebraska get no respect from the Big-12 South, being in the North. They are also unhappy with revenue sharing. The Big-12 does not equally share revenue and the schools who bring in the most money are unhappy they don't earn more and the ones who make less money are unhappy they are getting shorted. Nebraska is a Big-12 school fit all the way, but money-wise they have a lot of interest to join the Big Ten.

Cincinatti already gets the Big Ten network so adding them as a school doesn't really do anything. Without Brian Kelly they will probably fade back into obscurity for football.

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May 18th 2010, 13:59:44

Originally posted by Sir Balin:


Confirmed

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May 18th 2010, 13:57:45

What do you mean when you say toughness? There are a number of ways people use that term in CFB. I think I know what you mean but I'd like to clarify before making assumptions.

Nebraska might join, Mizzou would love to, I could see WV doing it since it would be good for them, BC would be a good get by adding Boston but really BC is not a midwest school in any way.

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May 17th 2010, 22:58:06

Originally posted by NukEvil:
Speaking of "Evil Ass", does anyone happen to have a copy of that star wars parody with Puke Piewalker and Princess Laya. Lot?

Google has nothing, the at-archive is no longer online, and LaF's at-archive's search function doesn't work.


I have it saved on my computer at home. If no one else posts it up sooner I will next time I am there.

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May 17th 2010, 20:35:58

Originally posted by qzjul:
cede land to another country?

that could be abused pretty well i guess


That sounds unbelieavably abusable. ;)
I definitely think that once you have land, someone else should have to take it from you. You can effectively stop using it by abandoning it, but being able to give it away would create tons of issues.

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May 17th 2010, 20:27:46

Appropriate price? Sufficient goods? Not too many goods?

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May 17th 2010, 19:58:51

Going to is different than will, but I certainly think it is a possibility. The Big Ten would be idiotic to pass up on Notre Dame if they'd join. Notre Dame would not join a conference though unless it was clear we were switching to format on the order of four 16-team conferences where ND would get left out. Notre Dame is worth a lot of money and has great tradition. ND isn't an AAU school but it does have significant quality education for undergrads.

Missouri is a decent fit location/culture-wise.

Pitt isn't really a good fit being a city school, however they are an AAU member. Penn State already brings in every PA television so it is questionable that they would bring any revenue to the table. They are a good geographic and academic fit despite that.

Rutgers is far away and is not a sports power house. They are unlikely to bring the New York market in any meaningful way, however if YES got on board then they would add real value to the Big Ten network.

Syracuse is a lot like Rutgers except they have better athletics.

Marshall would be a location and tradition fit in many ways, but is a lesser academic institution and would be unlikely to increase revenues.

Basically I think Notre Dame and Missouri are the only two schools that make sense for the Big Ten to add and Notre Dame won't.

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May 17th 2010, 18:29:42

I think it would be disturbing/scary since paralysis is something people generally don't handle well. Having had oral surgery while awake before, it does just feel like pressure and is in no way painful as describe in the article. It was a short procedure and they didn't take any sort of paralytic measures so I can't speak to that aspect which is apparently painful at times and of course, debilitating. I would certainly imagine it to be a terrible experience just laying there as a helpless witness.

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May 17th 2010, 17:19:59

Exactly, it really is like abandoning land. There is no "land pool" to abandon land too though and I am very averse to the idea of land destruction. I do think normal DRs could apply. Perhaps the way conquering the land should work is the fraction of the military you send relative to the break is the fraction of land you gain relative to normal gains. So if there is a 2M jet break and you send 1M jets, you only get half of what you would have if you sent 2M jets (of course oversending should not work that way). That way there are still standard expenses of occupying the land but it is merely "claiming" it rather than combat for it.

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May 17th 2010, 15:40:59

Originally posted by Dibs Ludicrous:
there isn't a delete country button that i could find, so dropping land is the easiest way to kill my own country.

i kinda like being able to quit the game after somebody figures out they can farm me. or if i somehow screw up taking turns.

maybe if there was a time limit after attacking, but i won't create a country that i can't delete.


I think there should definitely be a delete option. I do not think you should be able to use it within 72 hours of making an attack, like GDI.

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May 17th 2010, 15:21:40

So, this has received a number of views now - any criticisms?

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May 17th 2010, 12:45:28

Account deletion, like GDI, should not be allowed within 72 hours of an attack. I think that much is 100% obvious.

As far as dealing with acres, I think my suggestion on the bugs/suggestions forum is better, but that might just be me.

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May 17th 2010, 0:28:47

If I vote negative A does that remove your vote?

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May 16th 2010, 17:03:06

I am not sure what I have done that suggests that... but no. (I am making queso however so I can watch the x files in style!)

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May 16th 2010, 17:02:50

hrm, accidentally submitted too early, oh well, at least I can edit it away!

Edited By: Detmer on May 16th 2010, 17:03:43

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May 16th 2010, 15:51:21

hehe, I wouldn't put it past myself

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May 16th 2010, 15:11:45

Originally posted by H4xOr WaNgEr:
detmer is back so we probably won't see any reps,

will probably give the "PDM doesn't take responsibility for suiciders" line again.


Sounds like you missed me Marshall!

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May 16th 2010, 7:08:51

I vote bad. empircally, it hasd not caup earth to stop sform sucking and has amde many eople unhappy. ends do not just ify meana

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May 16th 2010, 7:04:09

i ALSO WISH MY CAPS OLCO WAS OFF

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May 16th 2010, 7:02:42

yamnahahahhwahhaahah!

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May 16th 2010, 6:49:28

Originally posted by TAN:
Who the hell is this Earth Watcher guy anyways, and does anyone even care about him?


No one knwos. no one cares.

Itix clear he has played a lng time... also cler is under another alliacne heis affraid of anone knowing who he reallyis. my fguess is just some othe laf new.b. y

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May 16th 2010, 6:44:39

Tha is very reasomnalb/e

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May 16th 2010, 6:44:10

I loa you TAN

I dont' aausly get to getehre is something green a on on m ythumb. I just ate it. durnk and post... but today was aspecial. I still have a lot of condimaetns left. t

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May 16th 2010, 6:41:03

what a I govting oin?

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May 16th 2010, 6:39:55

I an't a reallty focu s frightnwo.. I ust bought a hotdog fromsomeoe and it was grwea. I still have a lot of oindiments left liek some green thingand I am going ot eat the,. I hpoe we alll love eah other. good night,

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May 15th 2010, 19:15:02

I don't feel like it has any connection to the real world and it just allows people to abuse others.

Practically the only time dropping land is not abused is when you are BRed/ABed a bunch and can't afford/don't have the turns to rebuild. Perhaps make a 'conditional' drop land option for that scenario where you choose to drop an amount of land such that it no longer counts against tech percentage or SPAL but also doesn't contribute to population, food production and it is undefended. This is equivalent to holing up all your defenses and resources in some population center. This land can be freely grabbed from your country and you lose the land as if your total acreage was the same as ever. Once you would have losses that drop you below zero 'conditional land' then your land starts becoming defended. If you have 10k acres and drop 5k, you will be grabbed with standard land losses but no military losses until you are below 5k acres. If you have 10k acres and drop 1 acre, you will defend your land normally since you will be losing more than 1 acre.

There would be no buildings lost or ghost acres gained.

When dealing with conditional land I think it would make sense to have cash/food losses at some fractional, maybe quarter the rate of normal.


The downside is this could be used to redistribute land freely, however honestly people are probably better off land trading to get huge land influxes if they want to grab their alliance mates.

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May 15th 2010, 3:09:59

Originally posted by cypress:
POPULAR!


I'm head of the class
I'm popular
I'm a quarterback
I'm popular
My mom says I'm a catch
I'm popular
I'm never last picked
I got a cheerleader chick

Edited By: Detmer on May 15th 2010, 3:10:15

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May 14th 2010, 20:37:53

I had to listen several times to get all the lyrics... I just need someone where to upload it =P I have it uploaded on ES and the file is accessible if you can figure out the URL you can get it =P sadly since ES is more or less down there is no logging in to find the URL =P

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May 14th 2010, 20:31:35


[spoken]
??Second chopper all the way
Let's move it, move it
Get that jeep over here, move it
You are part of a great new mobailization
we now have at our disposal the best army that world has ever known
[/spoken]

Earth 2-0-2-5 coming with the fiction
these boys we get together, start a fire with the friction
start up the reset, stack her up like a volcano
increase your net
attack enemies with a cell phone
cause I flip the apocalyp
giving you virtual fat lip
I take you on your last trip from the cradle to the crypt
with my artillery barrage I make you breath like Lamaze
I got my hands up in everything its like I'm giving 1a a massage
oops, my troops, got you running in loops
I'm all about the hazard ain't got nothing with the nukes
make a dash to the market
that new jet you better park it
I'll beat you with my tanks
yeah, you're dropping bricks
oh, you get pissed when you see that scores list
last week you were top ten, but this week, you're just dismissed
crazy dis
you're just my little fluff, my little lap doggy
ain't got nothing left but an itch
your country was the fattest
but double check your status
by the time you see it twice you'll be mad at us
in case you forgot, I'm running 200 countries on a bot
and over night I'll leave your lines in a pretzel knot

[spoken]
You are part of a great new mobailization
we now have at our disposal the best army that world has ever known
[/spoken]

my food's for sale
pit ok'ed the artillery shell so we up
I dropped the ops and the casualties woke up in hell
all you punk ass newbies you wanna mess with me
yo, you wanna mess with the original 1a playas
with my ingame threads I won't hesitate to mention
I'll kill you with guerrilla strikes and cause dissension
I'll make you run around, in this town with a frown
while you sit at your computer in your mama's night gown
man that's really kinky, I bet you do that every night
taking turns on 1a while you spank to a porn site
too bad you can't win the game with a cum stain
man, that's really sad, using that cum stain as a mouse pad
I get tech points with espionage
I dress my troops in camo
to you I say bye y'all as I unload my ammo
I go irate on you light weight suckers
Left me in a straight I will retaliate on you punk mother fluffers
I hit you with two planned strikes cause I can't wait to spite
then after that I swing the bat with standard strikes every night
all that for a land grab, you fattened up my money bag
now I cross you off my list and look for the next one to frag
I check my recent news
now I'm ready to light the fuse
I see you lit up my country now you better lace up your running shoes
cause 30 out of 31, of your bombing runs they failed
I shot down half the pilots and the other half, they bailed
my spies are on the case, blowing up your air base
two thirds of your jets are all laid to waste
ahahahahahahaha
come back next reset if you want another taste


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May 14th 2010, 18:00:00

Originally posted by Kyatoru:
Mike011? Hehe the crazy serb?


Thats the one! He created such a great dynamic!

I think I have an IRC log of didi saved on my old computer... need to find that!

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May 14th 2010, 17:25:10

Originally posted by ZEN:
TheVoices and BC.


TV was awesome, most under-rated poster on all of AT in fact, until he joined the military. He got messed up there.

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May 14th 2010, 16:08:04

The Matrix series
Saving Private Ryan
Schindler's List
Life is Beautiful
Office Space
Alien vs Predator
Gladiator
The Lord of the Rings series
The Bourne series
Moulin Rouge

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May 14th 2010, 15:57:06

Originally posted by Strife:
Go troll somewhere else Detmer


Wow, I have never been accused of trolling before! (or at least, not in as long as I can remember)

Any suggestions for where I should take my services?

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May 14th 2010, 15:52:24

Originally posted by thatguy:
and NuKeR!


I'd give nuka the #11 nod. He brings a similar dynamic to some of the people already on my list. If I was making a dream IRC channel, he'd be in.

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May 14th 2010, 15:50:54

Originally posted by thatguy:
Bad_Carpet


Yes. I was trying to remember b_c... I was trying to remember who wrote the North American epic, etc. scappy is off the list... b_c is in.

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May 14th 2010, 15:50:05

Originally posted by Pangaea:
Leo A
Reignz
Doll
Corflu
Viper


I could definitely go for some Leo A and Viper! (not top 10, but top 25 probably)

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May 14th 2010, 15:27:18

Who would they be?

Mine are, in no particular order

RaNg, Mike011, Diocletian, groton, Jer Bu, Beefhawk, Tarheel, sicko, skitch, Scappy J

Edited By: Detmer on May 14th 2010, 15:27:59

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May 14th 2010, 15:18:48

And Pang....you need like two different handles. One as an official LaF rep and one as a EE rep. I read this and thought it is all important and maybe you found Bin Laden playing in PDM or something.


Confirmed

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May 14th 2010, 15:11:40

The NBA sucks because they play basketball.

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May 13th 2010, 20:23:46

Please explain the discrepancy between storing Bhatkar jelly in the fridge and feeding them three times a week and the statement that the ants need very fresh food daily.

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May 13th 2010, 18:38:48

Sup Akula? How you been?

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May 13th 2010, 18:29:48


Edited By: Detmer on May 13th 2010, 18:30:03

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May 13th 2010, 18:29:38

I think I must just be super popular and everyone is tuning in! After all, as you noted, it shows last poster and number of posts, so no need to see if there are any updates. (unless, people are secretly editing their posts to avoid detection!)