Yeah, thinking about the turn usage that would require there is definitely no pay off. I suppose I can see this as an issue in express if people aren't willing to wait a substantial amount of time for goods to sell, whereby people mess up the market even if it isn't in their best interest.

You get (got) a percentage of the defender's land which was dependent on your NW ratios. This percentage was augmented and diminished by military strat tech and DRs. The tiers were 3%, 5%, 7% and 9% of your opponent's land with minimum returns of 10 acres.

Is that determined randomly? Can someone put a batch on and if they don't hit the market in 0 they can recall and try again?

I used to be a top notch spammer. Some times I can't keep it repressed.

Does Primary need a "community". I feel like that is a place where people can just play a country in isolation. It is somewhat pure in how it is just you and the server.

Well iMag is wrong then because that is a declaration.

Comwood was going to make ES a hosting service for multiple games but quit that ambition. I think if Boxcar hosted Evony alliances it would be a great way to advertise/draw players into the game.

Not that the exact numbers matter to someone just getting a feel for the game, but defense allies contribute 25% of their military at home up to doubling your defense at a maximum.

That is lawful contact. Lawful contact is an ill defined term, as is reasonable suspicion. Until there are precedents set on what lawful contact it, it is 100% whatever one wants it to be.

There is one HUGE difference. In CA it is performing a background check on a suspected criminal. In AZ it is any lawful contact, which includes seeing someone reading a newspaper while waiting at a bus stop.

Agreed

From what I have heard they are considering that option. I think it is potentially a great idea. They could certainly program a range of strategies/skill levels and personalities (passive, retaliatory with land grabs, special attacks, etc)

HOWEVER, that brings up a very good point

Defense allies are ESSENTIAL. They can up to double (if they have enough defense) your defense at almost no cost.

Have you EVER grabbed a 10k acre country and gotten 30 acres in return? I don't remember how much maximum DRs reduce things, but even then I doubt it is that much.

Get land - the more land you have, the more production you can have --> the bigger you can get. Exploring is a lot easier than attacking. At low acreage levels, especially when the new round starts, exploring will be a much more effective way to gain land than attacking.

Have a lot of defense - people will want to attack you, especially if you have a lot of land. It will get frustrating to be constantly attacked. Make sure you can get more land every day than you lose.

Specialize - don't make a lot of different buildings - specialize in something, buy technology to make that stuff more efficient and then use the market to get everything else you don't make. (or if you make goods, use the market to sell them so you have cash to buy stuff). The more you produce on your land, the more defense you can have and the harder it will be to attack you

If you are in a server with teams, join a team - you will have more protection for your country and probably more fun with some human interaction

I don't have ICQ here, nor am I an official contact. We can still talk though.

Fact.

I am skeptical my numbers are off then. I first learned the land gains formula in 2003 from a LaF pal, have seen it several times since, including most recently a list of E2025 formulas from qz =P

Edit: In reviewing your SS percentages I see you listed .3% to 100%. I believe you meant 3% to 100%

What could be worse than having Tirol and LS back?

When you say "get" you mean consume or capture?

How does this fix the land issue?

I suppose I see the benefit to this in that you can land grab without offending anyone, however something just doesn't seem right about it. Maybe it just something like market prices (which are on some level controlled by PM prices) that until you know how things balance it can seem tenuous.

MAK SMASH!!!!

I am awesome as usual King Friday. Facebook tells me we're on the same dismal path to doctorhood, but hey, being a grad student has its perks (flexibility to get drunk during the 10 hours/day you aren't working)

Assuming he isn't allowed to cheat. He made things interesting.

In the movies section of realultimatepower I used to have a video up. It is still listed although the video hasn't been there for about six years. (Also, we were never called Dormitory Productions, that was Robert Hamburger's stupid name for us)

How is that listing of available tracts generated? I am unclear on where these unlimited acres come from. Server or player generated?

I was getting the 24 hour claim period prior to incorporation confused.

Heya makmak. I showed cypress your blog. It wasn't updated since January.

My opinion might be persuaded if you saved me the hassle of figuring out numerically how the formula has changed. ;)

What would people in Primary talk about?

Well, I did stipulate that is barring changes to the land grains formula, which I was afraid was a possibility. I am not disappointed (well I am in that it will require making some FFA accounts to redetermine the formula).

I would be too. I definitely think that coming up with something brilliant on your own that was already figured out is more impressive than coming up with something that is new, but minor and obscure. I was actually really proud of myself for coming up with him too.

I definitely think 3 and 4 are great improvements. I think 2 is a very solid but imperfect solution. 1 I think I disagree with. I certainly disagree with it in principle since the preparedness required for an invasion should likely be independent of (or really even inversely related to size). I do think that making several attacks on countries larger than you can be a valid strategy and that this is a measure to protect stockpiling countries from 'suiciders'. With the implementation of change 2 though I find this to be redundant.

Hah! I had Tar Heel in my first post!

I like this idea a lot although the numbers need to be greatly reduced. I think a base of 100% with a max of 115% would be appropriate.

ZEN, life is different in Canada. I suspect that in Toronto many atheists and Christians share similar cultural and political beliefs. Most atheists do celebrate Christmas after all.

Yes, yes we do.

My calculations do not include ghost acres, you are right about that. Strictly speaking that is dependent on building information which is not provided. The ghost acre formula is described in an announcement post that one can use to supplement what I calculated.

Its alright, I figured out the context thanks to Google.

And I have read the bill...

I suppose the difference is California's law is old and not seemingly enforced to any significant extent. Arizona's is new which implies it will be enforced.

And I am glad to see you hold the US to the same standards as Mexico... I really don't care how unjust, inhumane or whatever some country's laws are - they don't have any bearing on what the US' laws should be.

And I sure don't see how that would end the recession. Do you think that foreign nationals getting US contracts has destroyed the economy? I think US companies outsourcing has a much larger effect.

Unless there has been some change to the land gains formulas between E2025 and EE, mine are right. I just looked for announcements relating to changes in attack gains and I couldn't find any. Also, Marshal's numbers are 'prolly' where as mine are actually calculated.

Could be fun. I don't know how much general interest it would have but I might try it.

So are you envisioning sort of a market/listing of tracts of land available to be fought for? How are these generated? Does someone enter a number of acres into a 'stake my claim' box and then the server generates those acres with some defenses to initially be fought for? If you win those acres and they become part of your lands, what happens if someone tries to invade them in the 24 hour system but someone specifically attacks you and takes those acres normally?

DLance, yes, exactly

jedioda, I think that fixed exploration rate would make more sense in a larger land server - say fixed acreage = 1.2x10^11 (about real Earth size). That would be interesting in that countries a whole would get to experience acreages that were previously unimaginable, the downside would be BPT and building costs would be the limiting factors rather than ability to gain land. 2.4M players would be necessary to reach the land cap at real Earth size, with each country having 50k acres. At an explore rate of 48 acres/turn and 4680 turns in a reset, the maximum possible acreage to be built (with only building CS, exploring and building normal buildings) would be ~150,993 which would require 795k players to reach. Obviously that means real Earth size is too large for the game mechanics and possible player base. This 151k acre number could be useful in defining a limit though for the server size if explore rates didn't diminish. Maybe the acreage cap could be 50k/country in a constant explore-rate server.

For any fixed land system, I think the best way to handle explore rate would actually be to make your acres explored per turn dependent on your size and total acres available in the pool. Smaller players can explore for larger amounts relative to larger players, however the amount everyone explores at would be dictated by total land available.

More context for what you just posted?

I say no.

Should Arizona lose all federal funding for passing an unconstitutional law that encourages racial profiling?

I say YES!

I am personally boycotting Arizona from a travel stand point as well as business that I am aware of being based out of Arizona.
This includes Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, GoDaddy, P.F. Chang's, PetSmart, Taco Time and U-Haul (and I am moving in a week). There are many other companies that are less likely to affect me that I don't remember off the top of my head.

Sure, I think if Arizona's law wasn't illegal it would be within their right to fight fire with fire, but since state's can't pass immigration laws (and it is 100% racist) I think they should get over it andbe happy LA will still buy power from them. (yeah, I realize LA needs the power as much as AZ needs the money)

Hrm, I'll wrap my head around this and give a complete reply tomorrow. Certainly would alter gameplay.

It would have been a lot better than they snuck up on the guys and had their ninja way with them... just running them off... probably any larger group could have done that =P

I think that is one of the better solutions. Even 24 hours perhaps. The big downside is such limitations could inhibit stonewalling.

Since NukEvil wanted it reposted, here you go

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begin trailer
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written & directed / bad_carpet
inspired by / Jiggles the clown
creative criticism / Croaker


You are about to be subjected to nonsense unparalled.

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end trailer
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Clown Wars Episode IV : A New Dope
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

Puke Piewalker attends his crack machine. His new droids, C3P-Mo and R2DDog stand nearby. A wizened old man enters the room.

Puke: ObiJigg GoBlowme!

ObiJigg: Yes, it is I. Puke, you must learn the ways of the Farce if you are to become a Beerguy, like your father.

Puke: You knew my father?

ObiJigg: Well, not exactly, I knew your mother. Your father could have been any one of a few dozen Beerguys.

Puke: Oh..uhm.

ObiJigg: Enough about that. Lets get going.

Hours later, ObiJigg, Puke, and the droids approach a town.

ObiJigg: Mos Nudesly spaceport. You will seldom find a more wretched hide of scum and villany. We must be cautious.

Puke: You mean to avoid thieves and murderers?

ObiJigg: No, I mean we must wear protection. You must suit your saber if you are to learn the ways of the Farce, Puke.

Puke looks up and notices armor clad soldiers drawing near.

Puke: Oh no, troopers!

Private Ghost: How long have you had these droids? I need to see some identification.

ObiJigg: You don't need pantification.

Private Ghost (smiling happily): You're right, these uniforms are hot.

Private Ghost removes his pants, revealing Batman speedos.

ObiJigg: Move along.

Private Ghost (smiling happily): I feel so free! Hey, look at me! Look at me!

Private Ghost skips down the dusty avenue. C3P-Mo looks. Intently.

ObiJigg: The Farce really screws up the weak minded.

Inside Mos Nudesly Cabaret. Puke and his companions are joined by two others, Han Si-lo and Chewbanks. Chewbanks is rather hairy and unnattractive.

ObiJigg: We're looking for passage to Barderan. Lets say we'd like to avoid any Pimperial entanglements.

Han Si-lo: You've got yourself a ship. Hey, kid. Your last name is Piewalker? I think I knew your mother.

Chewbanks: RAAAWWWRRR.

Han Si-lo: That's disgusting, Chewbanks.

Later, in the ship, ObiJigg swoons.

Puke: Are you alright?

ObiJigg: A tremor in the Farce. It is as if a million beers were spilled in an instant. I feel something terrible has happened.

Han looks out the window.

Han Si-lo: The entire planet is just...gone.

ObiJigg: No!

Puke: You had friends there? I'm sorry.

ObiJigg: Forget my friends, that planet had the best weekend drink specials.

Han Si-lo: We'll land on that small moon.

ObiJigg: That's no moon! THAT'S AN EVIL ASS!

Incredible gravitational pull from the enormous, and evil, ass draws the heroes in.

Inside the Ass-star, troopers, all fully clad except for one in Batman speedos, are -inspecting the ship. Our heroes remain hidden in a cramped compartment.

Han Si-lo: I never thought I'd be smuggling myself in one of these. By the way Chewie, quit breathing in my ear.

Chewbanks : RAWR!

Han Si-lo : What do you mean it isn't you? Wait, then who's hand is that...

Han leaps to his feet, banging open the trap door and toppling several troopers. C3P-Mo blushes.

Luke : Hey, we can use these uniforms to sneak past the guards.

C3P-Mo: I get the speedos!

R2Ddog : BEEP!

Disguised as guards, the clever group manages to capture the docking bar control post. ObiJigg departs to search the Ass-star's mythical power source.

C3P-Mo : The owner of this article kept his name written on the tag. "Gee-aaych-oh-es-tee"

Han turns to see the droid wearing the undergarments around his head. Han snorts in disgust. Speaking of snorting, that reminds one of Snort. Who was currently ...

...asphyxiating.

darth_carpet : I find your lack of faith disturbing.

General Snort <gagging> : Ach, ick, ook.

Grand Moth Duque : Enough! This bickering is pointless. carpet, release him!

Snort continues to choke. His face reddens and then blues.

Grand Moth Duque: I said release him!

darth_carpet : It isn't me. He's got salty peanuts stuck in his throat. Since you blew up Barderan we've got nothing to wash 'em down with.

Admiral Zarubi : But the destruction of all beer is the goal of the Pimpire!

darth_carpet : Then I suggest you ban beer nuts as well, or you'll have more causalities such as this.

Snort expires poorly. His attempts at drawing someone performing the Heimlich maneuver lead to a rather lewd game of Pictionary.

Back in the control room, Puke is trying to convince Han to go on a rescue mission.

Puke Piewalker : "She's easy."

Han Si-lo : "She'd better be. What's her name?"

Puke Piewalker : "Ruthless Laya. Lot."

Han Si-lo : "Laya. Lot. ?"

Puke nods.

Han Si-lo: "Interesting, I never heard of a name with a pause."

Puke Piewalker <motioning to speedo-blinded C3P-Mo> : "And I bet you'd never heard of a gay android stalker either, but there you go."

Han Si-lo: "Alright kid, what's your plan?"

Puke Piewalker : "Let's see, we'll take these speedos..."

Puke tries to force Chewbanks to don the under garments. Chewbanks protests violently.

Han Si-lo: "It's okay Chewbanks, I think I know what he has in mind."

Scantily clad, Chewbanks stomps angrily out of the room.

R2Ddog : BEEP!

C3P-Mo: I think he's upset about the situation, R2.

Han Si-lo: Nah, he's just insulted you didn't drool over him like you did that Pimperial guard when HE was wearing the speedos."


C3P-Mo : What? He's hairier than a Canadian woman!

The last few words from the droid sounded garbled and didn't quit match the movements of his lips (if he had had lips). The movie pauses and the lights in the theatre come on.

Usher : "Okay, who's the wise guy?"

No one replies. One man in the front row hunkers down. The usher notices him and approaches.

Usher <grabbing the man's arm> "Alright buddy. We've had enough of you interrupting films with your goddamn anti-canadian propaganda. Let's go."

Tar Heel <breaking free and running up the ailse> : "ACBA FOREVER! BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"

Usher : "Sorry folks."

The lights dim and the movie resumes.

C3P-Mo : "What? He's hairier than a furred gagnonk!"

Han Si-lo : "Shh. Don't say that so loud. Look, you guys lock the door. We'll be back."

The prison bay opens. Chewbanks enters first, followed by Han and Puke. While the guards stand agape at Chewie's massive, uhh, equipment, Han and Puke surprise them with blasters. Han checks the information panel and discovers which cell holds the Ruthless. Puke goes to find her.

Han Si-lo : "Puke we're gonna have company!"

The door is cut open and Han begins to hold off the guards. Despite the fact that the opening only allows one guard to enter at a time, and you would think that the bodies of the dead would clog it and slow the advance of others, and that Han is a fantastic shot and possesses an automatic weapon, he is unable to hold for more than a few seconds.

And on down the hall...

Ruthless Laya : "Aren't you a little short for a storm trooper?"

Puke Piewalker: "What? Oh the helmet. I'm Puke Piewalker, I'm here to rescue you! I'm here with ObiJigg GoBlowMe."

Ruthless Laya : "ObiJigg GoBlowMe? He owes my family a quintillion credits for an unpaid bar tab!"

Puke Piewalker: "Quick, lets get out of here."

The pair exit and run right into the firefight.

Ruthless Laya : "This is some rescue. Didn't you have a plan for getting out?"

Han Si-lo : "Maybe you'd like to get back in your cell, your layness?"

Ruthless Laya : "......"

Han Si-lo : "In fact, I was wondering if I could join you. I mean, if we're going to die anyway why not-"

Han was cut off when the Ruthless grabbed Puke's blaster and opened a hole in the floor.

Ruthless Laya : "Somebody has to save our skins. In the chute fly-boy!"

Han Si-lo <to Puke> : "I thought you said she was easy?"

The hapless adventurers slide merrily down the chute and land in a garbage compactor. Ruthless Laya manages to still have perfect buns despite her imprisonment, subsequent torture, and riotous escape. And by buns I mean her hair-do, perverts.

Chewbanks : "RAWR!"

Puke Piewalker : "What's he moaning about?"

Han Si-lo : "It's the smell. It reminds him of..."

Puke Piewalker : "Of what?"

Han Si-lo : "Never mind."

Puke Piewalker : "No, really, what?"

Han Si-lo : "Your mother."

Puke Piewalker : "Be serious, Han. This is no time for jokes."

Han Si-lo <gravely> : "I am serious."

Ruthless Laya: "Enough chit-chat dorks. How do we get out?"

There is nothing funny about being squashed in a garbage compactor, fighting tentacles, or the frustrating fact that Ruthless Laya never gets the top of her white gown soaked. Lets get back to ObiJigg GoBlowMe.

ObiJigg, using the farce, slips by a hundred or so Pimperial guards while his comrades rescue the Ruthless. The guards always fall for the 'farce pebble' trick, where ObiJigg throws a 'pebble' made of the farce, it clangs off the metal deck, and all guards within one hundred meters leap to discover what caused the clanging. It didn't matter that were nearly a million people on the Ass-star, all of them quite busy and noisy, and another million or so mobile druids busier and noisier than the people; A Pimperial guard is instinctively drawn to the sound of a pebble clattering. It is irresistible to him. No din can hide it from him. No duty can prevent him from investigating its origin.

The power source for a moon sized pair of buttocks is not difficult to find, and is always within walking distance from where you are, no matter that the Ass-star is a small planet. However, it is the policy of the Pimpire to leave the incredibly important operational panel fo

I do realize it would make all-ex strats less competitive, and as someone who hates grabbing (and maybe got the first top-10 all-ex in Earth (very unverified)) I appreciate success without effort... I don't know that it is necessary to cater to the lazy masses though... why should people who work hard not do better than people who don't?

As for your redistribution idea, it is being discussed in the no dropping land thread.

Or you can edit it =P